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[Scrap]

Donny, By your description it sounds like your deltoids have trapped the nerves that work the arms and shoulders a common problem. there are streches with a fit ball that should solve the problem.

[Andre]

Where do you live Donny which city?

[StrictlySP]

Hi Donny,
Ah, I've been in your position a few times and still competed despite impairments. Like you, I was very prepared and confident prior to sustaining injuries (through overzealous training). Granted, while continuing training and subsequently competing did satisfy the "what if," "you never know," "I would've won" question marks had I not done so, I paid a pretty heavy price afterwards (despite winning in one instance through a lucky quick, one-punch KO and in the other (a wrestling match), losing horribly when, if fully functioning, I could/should have won) which, in retrospect, I'm not sure was worth it. Like Trainer Monkey, I too was overzealous in my younger days, improperly training like a madman, disregarding injuries, and competing when I shouldn't have to my long-term detriment. I'm paying the price for my indiscretions now...

Anyway, what is the extent of your injury at this time? If your shoulder is so bad that it greatly pains you to raise your affected arm, to throw a punch, you're in a bad place and should seriously consider pulling out of the competition. Now, if the pain is relatively "minor" and something you can tolerate, consciously willing to sacrifice some potential long-term consequences in the process, well, you can train around your injured arm, change up your fight plan a bit, and get a cortisone shot before your fights as a temporary fix. I don't recommend you soldiering on, but that's coming from someone who's looking in hindsight. When I was in your shoes, I didn't heed the warnings either; I competed anyway.

Okay, in addition to what I said above, if you are going to compete, I would heed the recommendations you received to drink lots of fluids and take anti-inflammatories such as Advil/Motrin or Alleve. I'm not a proponent of cortisone shots (eschewing them myself when offered), but it's an option to consider. I've had friends say it helped them train and compete pain-free FOR AWHILE. They all ended up paying a price later...

As the saying goes, "pay now or pay later;" when you disregard your body's warning signs that something is wrong, one way or another, you will pay a price. The questions you really need to ask yourself are "How much do I want to pay?" and "Do I want to pay now or pay later?" Is this competition really worth it?

Whatever you decide to do (i.e. pull out of competition, seek medical treatment, rest/rehab, and come back when fully-healed OR soldier on and gut it out with the injury you have), do it with gusto; with full-commitment because anything less will yield unsatisfactory results in you and for you either way.

Take care and good luck with which every way you decide to go.

Best Regards,
Lito

[Sharla]

I don't think I can be of much help but I hope it gets better hitmandonny! I've always tried to see my chiro when my back is POing me because I know she knows my back and she helps.

It's not guaranteed to help when you're seeing someone for the first time but I think it pays to seek some sort of professional advice early in case it's a recurring problem. The sooner you find good help the less trouble it will give you long term.

Don't be afraid to taper either - you'll hold your fitness better than you think and can probably afford to go 2 weeks without any hard training before a bout and still do well since you've been hammering it so hard up to this point. That's what i did and fitness was not an issue.

Sure do some light moving around when it feels ok, maybe up the visualization and mental preparation and thinking about your fight plan. Studies have shown little difference between the ability of athletes to learn when they spend the same amount of time visualizing a technique compared to actually practicing it so that might help more than you think.

If people are talking anti-inflammatories you might as well goo with some good old fashioned ice as well!

My main point though DON'T BE AFRAID TO TAPER

You won't detrain your fitness as quickly as you seem to think.

[donnydarkoIRL]

All the best Donny, what ever you decide to do. You've still got a fortnight, so you'll be able to gauge if it's gradually getting worse or getting better during that time, so listen to what your shoulder is telling you after each session.

Thank you my man, sound advice!

Donny, By your description it sounds like your deltoids have trapped the nerves that work the arms and shoulders a common problem. there are streches with a fit ball that should solve the problem.

Cool Scrap, I think you may be right. I could neither spar nor sleep last night. The medicine I'm taking is diafine and rubbing on a gel called Fastum gel. The gel actually kills the pain, hopefully the diafine will take down inflammation. Stretching I haven't tried, but as Monkey said, loosening it with rotation works gradually.
Any links Scrap?

Where do you live Donny which city?

Galway Andre. Ha Ha I fyou show up and help I'll drop all organised religion and worship Andre-ology from now on!!!

Lito:
Funny thing is, when I train it warms up and it can be fine, when I lay off it stays cold and it's agony. If it was my right I wouldn't hesitate competing but it's my left. I set up everything off my jab and my hook is my pride and joy.
But the problem is it hurts to even slip. I missed out on the same finals last year because of a similar injury.

Sharla:
I knew you'd know all about injuries
Thanks for the advice and support.


To everybody, this has been a real crisis for me, I really appreciate all your help, this is why Saddo's is great.
I can honestly say I f I miss out on this competition I will be absolutley gutted. I've put everything into this fight, pretty much 7 days a week for the last 3 months. As I said earlier if it was my right I'd compete in a second, but it's my left and I sorel;y need that. Much of my defence is blocking with my left elbow and forearm too so....
Well...I'm going to a doctors tonight. I'll consider acupuncture too, if any of you reccommend it?
I'll do anything to compete. The scary thing is, I've been warning Hulk of Trenabol for a while, but If someone came to me and said If you take this now you can compete as your normal self, but you'll never turn pro....I think I'd still take it.

[Scrap]

Donny there arent any as I know give us 24 Ill pm you promise with a few.

[Scrap]

Have you got msm and a camera

[donnydarkoIRL]

Hey Scrap, thanks for your efforts...
I don't have MSN no.

[Trainer Monkey]

I cant believe Im recomending this,but it sounds like your going to go out there regardless,so Id feel remiss if I didnt do some measure of saving you from yourself
Tiger Balm the hell out of it,I mean really have someone rub you down with it,it'll keep the shoulder warm wether you want it warm or not.
If you can find Dragon Balm,even better
In theory its only a dermal warmth,but it does seem to penetrate,kept my knees functional way longer then I deserved

[donnydarkoIRL]

I cant believe Im recomending this,but it sounds like your going to go out there regardless,so Id feel remiss if I didnt do some measure of saving you from yourself
Tiger Balm the hell out of it,I mean really have someone rub you down with it,it'll keep the shoulder warm wether you want it warm or not.
If you can find Dragon Balm,even better
In theory its only a dermal warmth,but it does seem to penetrate,kept my knees functional way longer then I deserved

Well, I'm going to compete, but I'll look after it as soon as I'm done.
I had planned on going away for a couple of months after the fight to train in San Diego and I cancelled. Heart breaking stuff.

[Sharla]

I missed out on the same finals last year because of a similar injury.

Did you push yourself all out last year leading up to the comp then too? We don't technically get fit from training Donny - we get fit from RECOVERY from training so if you've been pushing too hard with too little rest for a while - training a little fatigued this might be your body's way of telling you to back the f**k off before you kill it. Take at least 2 or 3 days off, treat it however you feel is best to and then see how it goes perhaps?

I know some things feel bad when they got cold but maybe if you spend the same amount of training time doing light exercise that still has you moving without agitating it you'll be ok. For my knee or back issues it was swimming - maybe you have your own equivalent - some light exercise that won't irritate you can do for a few days?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Yeah I was pushing last year too, but last year it was due to the dislocation caused by a trainer pretty much.

This year, well it just gave despite the efforts I had made to keepe everything ok. So what I'll do now is just chill till tomorrow evening. At 5.30 I'm going to start warming it up, I'll try get some of the balm TM suggested and I'll rotate it every posible way, I'll stretch it and loosen it. and then I'll spar. I know on Thursday I'll be sparring a south paw so in actuallity I should be using my left to block less than I normally do.

We'll see how the spar goes, how it feels on impact and what I'm able to do. Diet should keep me at proper weight for the next two weeks so ALL i'LL DO IS SPAR.

[Trainer Monkey]

Yeah I was pushing last year too, but last year it was due to the dislocation caused by a trainer pretty much.

This year, well it just gave despite the efforts I had made to keepe everything ok. So what I'll do now is just chill till tomorrow evening. At 5.30 I'm going to start warming it up, I'll try get some of the balm TM suggested and I'll rotate it every posible way, I'll stretch it and loosen it. and then I'll spar. I know on Thursday I'll be sparring a south paw so in actuallity I should be using my left to block less than I normally do.

We'll see how the spar goes, how it feels on impact and what I'm able to do. Diet should keep me at proper weight for the next two weeks so ALL i'LL DO IS SPAR.

Unfortunatly once it jacks out,barring the knife,its going to do it again,just cant be helped.Good luck bro

[donnydarkoIRL]

Thanks man, got my hands on some Tiger balm and I'm getting some acupuncture and physio.

I can lift it now, but I feel thats because I'm in a nice warm building at the moment, but once I loosen it, I reckon It will be fine.

[Trainer Monkey]

Thanks man, got my hands on some Tiger balm and I'm getting some acupuncture and physio.

I can lift it now, but I feel thats because I'm in a nice warm building at the moment, but once I loosen it, I reckon It will be fine.

Remember,when it tires out(dont try this at home,Im only doing this because he's a friend and intends to compete no matter what I say)reverse your guard,drop the hand in to a strictly defensive position,up and down,but you should still be able to snap a jab with it.
It serves numerous purposes,it rests the arm,it tightens your defense while you get some rest,and it tends to confuse your opponent