Haye vs Wlad Klitschko

[leftylee]

Also David Haye was KNOCKED DOWN vs Monte Barrett that is a FACT....this "He slipped" bullcrap just doesn't add up. If you SLIP you do it without being punched, Monte caught Haye coming in wild as hell as he in prone to do and popped him and David fell down. There is no SLIP about it.



Sorry, I just get pissed off about that

You know what if it makes you feel that Wlad will now have a better shot at Haye cuz Barrett put him down or Haye really cant take a heavyweight punch, then go and believe it. Only a fool would think Barrett legitimately knocked him down. But as the fool you are you believe it. Don't matter though. Your only kidding yourself. And June 20th I'm gonna be right here to confirm it.

[Bukom Battler]

I am a Haye fan but I guess that makes me a fool. I genuinely thought Haye was KD'd. Not necessarily hurt but still KD'd.

Do not see Anybody winning this in 1 unless Haye rushes in like a maniac and gets clipped.

Good points raised by Lyle about quality of opposition but do not believe Haye will get nervous.

Pick em fight for me. I am on the fence for the mo and will decide closer to the time but Wlad has to be favourite at the mo.

[El Kabong]

AdamGB, when someone SLIPS it might be because they are on a decal on the Ring surface which doesn't have good traction, it might be because water is on the ring OR it might be because they wandered into an ice skating rink. Did Haye lose his footing? Did he simply lose his balance? Or did a tiny little punch send Haye down because he was off balance? And if that's the case then you MUST rule it a knockdown. I'm not saying he was close to knocking Haye out, I just find it very odd that everyone that is a Haye fan is up in arms over a KNOCKDOWN being called a KNOCKDOWN...it seems that Haye's fans are more than aware of his weak chin and have become overly defensive about it. Just go ahead and admit you're worried about the fight...admit that you fear for David Haye's safety and if David doesn't land the first haymaker he throws then he should just fall down and get counted out.

leftylee, it's not about Monte hurting Haye it's about an unskilled fighter knocking down a guy who is supposed to be worthy of a title shot and not get caught off balance as he did, it shows poor footwork, poor judgment, and shows that David Haye's biggest problem is himself, he thinks too highly of himself although I doubt that will be the case come fight night. If Monte Barrett can take advantage of David Haye being off balance and put him down (and he did EXACTLY that) then what the fuck is a faaaaaar superior boxer like Wladimir Klitschko going to do with Haye Wlad may knock Haye down with a jab...I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happened.

This is going to be a fight where David Haye gets welcomed to Big Time Boxing....and my prediction is that Big Time Boxing is going to make David Haye it's bitch

[AdamGB]

AdamGB, when someone SLIPS it might be because they are on a decal on the Ring surface which doesn't have good traction, it might be because water is on the ring OR it might be because they wandered into an ice skating rink. Did Haye lose his footing? Did he simply lose his balance? Or did a tiny little punch send Haye down because he was off balance? And if that's the case then you MUST rule it a knockdown. I'm not saying he was close to knocking Haye out, I just find it very odd that everyone that is a Haye fan is up in arms over a KNOCKDOWN being called a KNOCKDOWN...it seems that Haye's fans are more than aware of his weak chin and have become overly defensive about it. Just go ahead and admit you're worried about the fight...admit that you fear for David Haye's safety and if David doesn't land the first haymaker he throws then he should just fall down and get counted out.

My point is that it proved NOTHING about David Haye's ability to take a punch... whatever it should have or shouldn't have been ruled as is irelevant. Nothing that happened was from the concussive effect of the punch, so why even mention it?

Are you trying to rile Haye Fans up for the sake of it or do you feel the need to put Haye down to make you feel better about your crush? Food for thought I guess.

Haye was off balance... so what? I'm sure I don't need to tell you that boxing is a rough sport and shit like that can and does happen... Just watch the ammount of times Wlad was knocked off balance by Sam Peter (I'm sure that there's some excuse/reason for Wlad letting those fuck ups happen though).

It doesn't prove a thing... stop clutching at straws.

"Just go ahead and admit you're worried about the fight...admit that you fear for David Haye's safety and if David doesn't land the first haymaker he throws then he should just fall down and get counted out"

lol... calm down, please don't make me laugh... you're clearly a Wlad groupie but don't make the assumption that because I called you on posting some irellevant shit that that makes me a Haye groupie... you're going to have to have a pissing contest elsewhere.

I'm worried about the fight? I'm in fear? hahaha... for fucks sake Lyle a) it's a sport and b) I have no personal relation to either guy.

As I have stated several times I think that Haye has less than a 40% chance of winning, I am doubtful he can deal with the size and strength but I think that his speed, movement and power versus Haye's stiffness and chin give him a fighting chance.

I am doubtful over his chin at heavy, but Barret didn't prove a thing... until he gets hit/knocked down LEGITIMATLY we still don't know whether the move up to heavyweight has improved his punch resistance/stamina or done nothing except move him into deeper water.

We won't know till the fight, which I will enjoy watching as a boxing fan... not a Haye/Wlad groupie such as yourself.

[pacman79]

Can't wait to see Wlad in action again.

Are you finding it hard to sleep pr something?

[El Kabong]

My point is that it proved NOTHING about David Haye's ability to take a punch.

That's basically what I was saying EXCEPT top level fighters don't let themselves get off balance like that so they get knocked down by guys like Monte Barrett. THAT is why it means something and that is why people should worry....if a guy with journeyman skill can take advantage of Haye's poor footwork then a guy like Wlad who has a lot more skill will be able to really mess Haye up.

[Hunter]

Haye was knocked down by Barrett, Haye came in, Monte threw a left hand and it dropped Haye to the seat of his pants. He was dazed, he didnt even jump right up, he stayed on one knee for 20 seconds.

[Nameless]

My point is that it proved NOTHING about David Haye's ability to take a punch.

That's basically what I was saying EXCEPT top level fighters don't let themselves get off balance like that so they get knocked down by guys like Monte Barrett. THAT is why it means something and that is why people should worry....if a guy with journeyman skill can take advantage of Haye's poor footwork then a guy like Wlad who has a lot more skill will be able to really mess Haye up.

I don't see neither how Haye could win beside the known fact that at heavyweight anything can happen because of a single punch.

[AdamGB]

My point is that it proved NOTHING about David Haye's ability to take a punch.

That's basically what I was saying EXCEPT top level fighters don't let themselves get off balance like that so they get knocked down by guys like Monte Barrett. THAT is why it means something and that is why people should worry....if a guy with journeyman skill can take advantage of Haye's poor footwork then a guy like Wlad who has a lot more skill will be able to really mess Haye up.

lol, I think you're over rating barrett slightly here Lyle... I doubt it was the result of a cunningly hatched plan that was the outcome of studying tapes of David Haye and observing his footwork. I could be wrong of course...

[AdamGB]

Haye was knocked down by Barrett, Haye came in, Monte threw a left hand and it dropped Haye to the seat of his pants. He was dazed, he didnt even jump right up, he stayed on one knee for 20 seconds.

Why would he jump straight back up?... Barrett sucker punched Haye whilst he was on the canvas, it was an illegal shot and he's allowed time to recover from it so that Barrett loses any advantage he might have gained from fowling Haye.

Do you know anything?

[The Fightfan]

Even in a Ring magazine issue they mentioned it."The knockdown was ruled a slip". After kissing Haye's ass something fearce,comparing his hand and foot speed to a prime Ali. I just about threw the magazine out the window until I read a little bit more and found out they had mentioned that he was legitimatally knocked down and ref ruled a slip. I too did see the knockdown. A simple balance shot. Something he must control against Wlad but probably won't and be knocked out.

R.I.P. David Haye nice knowing ya.

[El Kabong]

lol, I think you're over rating barrett slightly here Lyle... I doubt it was the result of a cunningly hatched plan that was the outcome of studying tapes of David Haye and observing his footwork. I could be wrong of course...

Adam, I think we can both agree that Wladimir Klitschko is no Monte Barrett and no Tomas Bonin and he is BY FAR the best fighter David Haye will have EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER........EVER set foot in the ring with. All I'm saying is that Monte Barrett isn't THAT skilled and yet he was still able to knock down the "Mighty" David Haye

[AdamGB]

lol, I think you're over rating barrett slightly here Lyle... I doubt it was the result of a cunningly hatched plan that was the outcome of studying tapes of David Haye and observing his footwork. I could be wrong of course...

Adam, I think we can both agree that Wladimir Klitschko is no Monte Barrett and no Tomas Bonin and he is BY FAR the best fighter David Haye will have EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER........EVER set foot in the ring with. All I'm saying is that Monte Barrett isn't THAT skilled and yet he was still able to knock down the "Mighty" David Haye

Wlad is definitely the best fighter Haye will have ever fought, why would I deny that? My point is that it proves nothing more about David Haye than the short armed, slow plodder Sam Peter repeatedly knocking Wlad down does about Wlad.

[El Kabong]

I may add a qualifier to that remark saying that "Wlad got hit behind the head" but it doesn't make the 3 knockdowns go away...Wlad got knocked down 3 times, I am able to admit that because #1 It actually happened #2 Wlad's skill is such that he made those knockdowns not count for much and so I am comfortable in the knowledge that if in future bouts Wladimir is knocked down (even multiple times) he can still win a fight.

Why won't you just accept that Haye got knocked down, being defensive about it just shows that you are insecure as a fan. If I wanted to question David Haye's chin there are several other examples I could use....Odlainer Solis in the Olympics perhaps? Jean Marc Mormeck hurt David....and of course Carl Thompson rocked Haye several times. My point in bringing up the Barrett knock down is that it shows a recklessness and a carelessness that a very strong technical fighter like Wladimir will take advantage of such glaring flaws. It's not what Barrett did, it's what Haye allowed to happen and don't doubt that it's going to have an effect on the fight....let's face facts, Monte doesn't punch big and he put Haye down, and if you're just able to knock Haye down with a little punch while he's off balance then it doesn't matter what his chin is like

[Gandalf]

Can't wait to see Wlad in action again.

Are you finding it hard to sleep pr something?

Wlad is a bit of a thumping bore really. I cannot recall an interesting show that he has put on in recent times.