And so, the first part of my prediction was correct

[LondonBB]

I predicted calzaghe would beat hopkins, yet the haters would make excuses and still hate.

Now for the second parts of the original post that i created:

I wrote that calzaghe will then fight rjj, pavlik or dawson.

It looks like he will fight jones next and maybe pavlik as a final fight.

IF CALZAGHE BEATS jones and pavlik...will the haters still hate?

What do you think?

Why so much hate for calzaghe?

Surely the 'weak, non straight punching, slapping brawler' must have something going for him seeing as hes now 45,0,0 unbeaten as a pro, been champ for 11 years, now champ at 2 weight categories.

Im not a hater, i respect hopkins immensely.

But will these haters continue to hate EVEN IF CALZAGHE BEATS JONES AND PAVLIK ASWELL?

My opinion is YES THEY WILL ALWAYS HATE.

Just as a true racist will always be racist and that can never change...thus a hater will always be a hater. These things can not be changed.

[LEGION]

Just because some people don't think Calzaghe won the fight doesn't make them haters.

I hope he doesn't fight RJJ; as that will mean nothing. He would have gotten beat horribly in Jones' prime. I would rather see him fight a younger guy like Pavlik, Dawson or even Jermaine Taylor.

[Spicoli]

You think that a racist can never change ?? Is that your mind set? Thats telling.

[LondonBB]

You think that a racist can never change ?? Is that your mind set? Thats telling.

NOPE!

Please dont missquote me

I said a 'true racist'!

There are many people who can be racist yet change...but a true racist wont change. A leopard doesnt change its spots

Just because some people don't think Calzaghe won the fight doesn't make them haters.

I hope he doesn't fight RJJ; as that will mean nothing. He would have gotten beat horribly in Jones' prime. I would rather see him fight a younger guy like Pavlik, Dawson or even Jermaine Taylor

True mate, IT DOESNT MAKE THEM HATERS

BUT...what makes them haters is that they fail to give calzaghe credit even though hes now beaten eubank, reid, lacy, kessler and hopkins...AND...

THEY STILL WONT GIVE HIM CREDIT AFTER HE BEATS JONES AND PAVLIK.

That is what makes trhem haters

Any rational person would say, 'hmmm i dont like joes style but he must be good at something if hes 45,0,0 been undefeated as a pro, champ for 11 years, beaten lacy, kessler, reid, eubank and hopkins, plus a champ at 2 weights'.

But they arent rational, instead they are a hater because despite what joe is achieving and has achieved (esspecially when he beats jones and pavlik) they will still say a 'slapper with no power and cant throw straight punches'...that is why it is laughable. This is where the term 'hater' comes into play

I agree i dont want to see jones fight calzaghe BUT I DISAGREE that he would get beaten horribly in jones prime...again that is 'hate' speaking.

Joe may well have got beaten by roy in roys prime, but i think a prime joe calzaghe wouldve faired up well against him, definately the best fighter that roy would ever have faced.

As a result i wouldnt mind joe fightingroy just so that it can rub it in that he has a win against jones on his career and ends jones legacy completely whilst totally cementing his own.

Then finally by beating pavlik he beats the prime american fighter at his peak yet will still be hated upon and called names.

Wait n see guys...garuntee my prediction comes true

All it would take is for someone to say 'i dont like calzaghe but fairplay to him i give him credit where credit is due'...but THE HATERS WILL NEVER EVER SAY THAT

[LEGION]

You think that a racist can never change ?? Is that your mind set? Thats telling.

NOPE!

Please dont missquote me

I said a 'true racist'!

There are many people who can be racist yet change...but a true racist wont change. A leopard doesnt change its spots

Just because some people don't think Calzaghe won the fight doesn't make them haters.

I hope he doesn't fight RJJ; as that will mean nothing. He would have gotten beat horribly in Jones' prime. I would rather see him fight a younger guy like Pavlik, Dawson or even Jermaine Taylor

True mate, IT DOESNT MAKE THEM HATERS

BUT...what makes them haters is that they fail to give calzaghe credit even though hes now beaten eubank, reid, lacy, kessler and hopkins...AND...

THEY STILL WONT GIVE HIM CREDIT AFTER HE BEATS JONES AND PAVLIK.

That is what makes trhem haters

Any rational person would say, 'hmmm i dont like joes style but he must be good at something if hes 45,0,0 been undefeated as a pro, champ for 11 years, beaten lacy, kessler, reid, eubank and hopkins, plus a champ at 2 weights'.

But they arent rational, instead they are a hater because despite what joe is achieving and has achieved (esspecially when he beats jones and pavlik) they will still say a 'slapper with no power and cant throw straight punches'...that is why it is laughable. This is where the term 'hater' comes into play

I agree i dont want to see jones fight calzaghe BUT I DISAGREE that he would get beaten horribly in jones prime...again that is 'hate' speaking.

Joe may well have got beaten by roy in roys prime, but i think a prime joe calzaghe wouldve faired up well against him, definately the best fighter that roy would ever have faced.

As a result i wouldnt mind joe fightingroy just so that it can rub it in that he has a win against jones on his career and ends jones legacy completely whilst totally cementing his own.

Then finally by beating pavlik he beats the prime american fighter at his peak yet will still be hated upon and called names.

Wait n see guys...garuntee my prediction comes true

All it would take is for someone to say 'i dont like calzaghe but fairplay to him i give him credit where credit is due'...but THE HATERS WILL NEVER EVER SAY THAT

Well, I personally won't give him alot of credit if he beats an old, tired Jones. But if he should whoop Pavlik, all credit due to him. I think he beat Hopkins last night, and he did a great job with Lacy and Kessler.

But you can't call people haters for something that hasn't even happened yet. Pavlik and Jones haven't even been signed yet, so your playing fortune teller.

You can call me a hater, as I already stated I won't give much credit if he beats Jones, but you can't read other people's minds and what others may decide in the future.

You need to calm down and just enjoy Joe's victory without trying to heat people up around here. Just friendly advice; as the mods on this board don't f#ck around when new guys come on and seem to exist only for the sake of starting a riot.

[LondonBB]

You think that a racist can never change ?? Is that your mind set? Thats telling.

NOPE!

Please dont missquote me

I said a 'true racist'!

There are many people who can be racist yet change...but a true racist wont change. A leopard doesnt change its spots

Just because some people don't think Calzaghe won the fight doesn't make them haters.

I hope he doesn't fight RJJ; as that will mean nothing. He would have gotten beat horribly in Jones' prime. I would rather see him fight a younger guy like Pavlik, Dawson or even Jermaine Taylor

True mate, IT DOESNT MAKE THEM HATERS

BUT...what makes them haters is that they fail to give calzaghe credit even though hes now beaten eubank, reid, lacy, kessler and hopkins...AND...

THEY STILL WONT GIVE HIM CREDIT AFTER HE BEATS JONES AND PAVLIK.

That is what makes trhem haters

Any rational person would say, 'hmmm i dont like joes style but he must be good at something if hes 45,0,0 been undefeated as a pro, champ for 11 years, beaten lacy, kessler, reid, eubank and hopkins, plus a champ at 2 weights'.

But they arent rational, instead they are a hater because despite what joe is achieving and has achieved (esspecially when he beats jones and pavlik) they will still say a 'slapper with no power and cant throw straight punches'...that is why it is laughable. This is where the term 'hater' comes into play

I agree i dont want to see jones fight calzaghe BUT I DISAGREE that he would get beaten horribly in jones prime...again that is 'hate' speaking.

Joe may well have got beaten by roy in roys prime, but i think a prime joe calzaghe wouldve faired up well against him, definately the best fighter that roy would ever have faced.

As a result i wouldnt mind joe fightingroy just so that it can rub it in that he has a win against jones on his career and ends jones legacy completely whilst totally cementing his own.

Then finally by beating pavlik he beats the prime american fighter at his peak yet will still be hated upon and called names.

Wait n see guys...garuntee my prediction comes true

All it would take is for someone to say 'i dont like calzaghe but fairplay to him i give him credit where credit is due'...but THE HATERS WILL NEVER EVER SAY THAT

Well, I personally won't give him alot of credit if he beats an old, tired Jones. But if he should whoop Pavlik, all credit due to him. I think he beat Hopkins last night, and he did a great job with Lacy and Kessler.

But you can't call people haters for something that hasn't even happened yet. Pavlik and Jones haven't even been signed yet, so your playing fortune teller.

You can call me a hater, as I already stated I won't give much credit if he beats Jones, but you can't read other people's minds and what others may decide in the future.

You need to calm down and just enjoy Joe's victory without trying to heat people up around here. Just friendly advice; as the mods on this board don't f#ck around when new guys come on and seem to exist only for the sake of starting a riot.

Respect to you mate

You said something i give respect to you for...that should he woop pavlik then you will give him lots of credit.

This means...YOU ARE NOT A HATER

I know it might seem im being v defensive, im not trying to start any trouble here, trust me. In no way am i a troll (ive put my pic in my avatar) im a boxing fan.

I rate hopkins immensely and rate roy jones immensely, i rate pavlik aswell and really like him as a fighter...have respect for all of them.

Except i cant understand why IF JOE BEATS them all, then people wont respect him?

You have a point with jones, i agree that jones is not like he used to be, chances are that jones wouldve taken calzaghe out if they were both in prime...well definately i higher chance than there is now anyway, id make jones the favorite in that match up, but now id give favorite to calzaghe.

What makes a hater is exactly the opposite of what you said...you said that you respect calz for beating kessler, lacy and hopkins therefore you arent a hater. Then you said should he comprehensively beat pavlik that you will give him major credit. Whereas there are people who will not give him credit even if he beats pavlik and jones then ends his career on 47,0,0.

That is the sign of a hater and that is someone i have no respect for at all.

The first thread i made (first prediction) said that people will still not rate joe should he beat hopkins, the second part was that even if he beats jones, dawson or pavlik they wont rate him either.

If we are being completely honest, could you honestly see how someone can not rate a fighter IF HE MANAGES REMAIN UNDEFEATED AND BEAT:

lacy, eubank, kessler, reid, hopkins, jones and pavlik.

[Spicoli]

B.B...I draw no distinction between A "true" racist and Racist,One in the same to me.Racism is not something you are born afflicted with...it is learned and taught.If I except it as a Given truth and absolute than there is no will to change it.The hardest and darkest of racist have found the errors of there ways while some are quite comfortable with how it is,Just my opinion but to each his own.

[LondonBB]

B.B...I draw no distinction between A "true" racist and Racist,One in the same to me.Racism is not something you are born afflicted with...it is learned and taught.If I except it as a Given truth and absolute than there is no will to change it.The hardest and darkest of racist have found the errors of there ways while some are quite comfortable with how it is,Just my opinion but to each his own.

Ok mate, maybe its my fault that i didnt make it clearer. What i meant was that a 'true racist' being perhaps someone like hitler. The guy would never change his ways because he was totally deluded and brainwashed...its a totally irrational mindset brough on out of ignorance and lies hellbent on destruction.

Whereas say if a regular guy was racist (lets say an irish american guy hates african americans, make it simple) but a african american surgeon opperates on his father and saves his fathers life...that irish american guy might think differently about african americans in future...the racist link has gone.

Whereas with someone like hitler it would never go.

Anyway, sorry to have to fill the boxing forum up with a post about racism, i didnt mean for it to go this way

[Andre]

You think that a racist can never change ?? Is that your mind set? Thats telling.

NOPE!

Please dont missquote me

I said a 'true racist'!

There are many people who can be racist yet change...but a true racist wont change. A leopard doesnt change its spots

Just because some people don't think Calzaghe won the fight doesn't make them haters.

I hope he doesn't fight RJJ; as that will mean nothing. He would have gotten beat horribly in Jones' prime. I would rather see him fight a younger guy like Pavlik, Dawson or even Jermaine Taylor

True mate, IT DOESNT MAKE THEM HATERS

BUT...what makes them haters is that they fail to give calzaghe credit even though hes now beaten eubank, reid, lacy, kessler and hopkins...AND...

THEY STILL WONT GIVE HIM CREDIT AFTER HE BEATS JONES AND PAVLIK.

That is what makes trhem haters

Any rational person would say, 'hmmm i dont like joes style but he must be good at something if hes 45,0,0 been undefeated as a pro, champ for 11 years, beaten lacy, kessler, reid, eubank and hopkins, plus a champ at 2 weights'.

But they arent rational, instead they are a hater because despite what joe is achieving and has achieved (esspecially when he beats jones and pavlik) they will still say a 'slapper with no power and cant throw straight punches'...that is why it is laughable. This is where the term 'hater' comes into play

I agree i dont want to see jones fight calzaghe BUT I DISAGREE that he would get beaten horribly in jones prime...again that is 'hate' speaking.

Joe may well have got beaten by roy in roys prime, but i think a prime joe calzaghe wouldve faired up well against him, definately the best fighter that roy would ever have faced.

As a result i wouldnt mind joe fightingroy just so that it can rub it in that he has a win against jones on his career and ends jones legacy completely whilst totally cementing his own.

Then finally by beating pavlik he beats the prime american fighter at his peak yet will still be hated upon and called names.

Wait n see guys...garuntee my prediction comes true

All it would take is for someone to say 'i dont like calzaghe but fairplay to him i give him credit where credit is due'...but THE HATERS WILL NEVER EVER SAY THAT

You left out one thing :
"Rule Britania ,Britania all the way,Britian never never shall be slaves"

[ICB]

You think that a racist can never change ?? Is that your mind set? Thats telling.

NOPE!

Please dont missquote me

I said a 'true racist'!

There are many people who can be racist yet change...but a true racist wont change. A leopard doesnt change its spots

Just because some people don't think Calzaghe won the fight doesn't make them haters.

I hope he doesn't fight RJJ; as that will mean nothing. He would have gotten beat horribly in Jones' prime. I would rather see him fight a younger guy like Pavlik, Dawson or even Jermaine Taylor

True mate, IT DOESNT MAKE THEM HATERS

BUT...what makes them haters is that they fail to give calzaghe credit even though hes now beaten eubank, reid, lacy, kessler and hopkins...AND...

THEY STILL WONT GIVE HIM CREDIT AFTER HE BEATS JONES AND PAVLIK.

That is what makes trhem haters

Any rational person would say, 'hmmm i dont like joes style but he must be good at something if hes 45,0,0 been undefeated as a pro, champ for 11 years, beaten lacy, kessler, reid, eubank and hopkins, plus a champ at 2 weights'.

But they arent rational, instead they are a hater because despite what joe is achieving and has achieved (esspecially when he beats jones and pavlik) they will still say a 'slapper with no power and cant throw straight punches'...that is why it is laughable. This is where the term 'hater' comes into play

I agree i dont want to see jones fight calzaghe BUT I DISAGREE that he would get beaten horribly in jones prime...again that is 'hate' speaking.

Joe may well have got beaten by roy in roys prime, but i think a prime joe calzaghe wouldve faired up well against him, definately the best fighter that roy would ever have faced.

As a result i wouldnt mind joe fightingroy just so that it can rub it in that he has a win against jones on his career and ends jones legacy completely whilst totally cementing his own.

Then finally by beating pavlik he beats the prime american fighter at his peak yet will still be hated upon and called names.

Wait n see guys...garuntee my prediction comes true

All it would take is for someone to say 'i dont like calzaghe but fairplay to him i give him credit where credit is due'...but THE HATERS WILL NEVER EVER SAY THAT

Calzaghe would not have matched up well against Jones at all and Toney is the best fighter he fought. Calzaghe likes fighters who come forward Jones would not come forward and he would time Calzaghe coming in a blast him with straight right hands, Jones would be much too quick and strong for Calzaghe, Jones was pretty much as close to unbeatable as a boxer can be, in his prime the only really tough fight i see Jones in was against Griffin and he destroyed him in the rematch, Jones also had one of the best right hand leads in the history of boxing, if Reid could catch Calzaghe with that shot over and over what do you think Jones would of done to him ??