PBF: You Better Stay in Retirement

[eagle]

Although I am not a fan of Mayweather, I have a tremendous amount of respect for his supreme athletic ability and boxing savvy. He rarely seems rattled, even in the rarer event of him takin a solid punch. Toni is a great fighter, but Cotto was much easier to hit or even keep in the same place for long enough to land anything. Mayweather has no problem movin around that ring long enough for twenty ppv undercards and the main event. We've all seen mayweather hit, cornered, and even swollen. But there is one thing that I've never ever EVER seen, and that's PBF tired. If someone has seen it, feel free to correct me. I've watched him a lot but not every fight. everyone since diego corrales. If he has to dodge margarito for 12 rounds or 200 rounds, he can do it like no one else. the only thing that may make tony marg a tough fight is his massive punch output. usually fighters who hit as hard as he does dont punch 100 plus per round ever, let alone on a regular basis

You make good points there. I think ppl forget at times that even tho PBF talks shit, acts immature, and can be annoying has hell, he may be the most skilled fighter our generation will see. I think Margarito has a great chance to beat him if the fight happens, but Floyd will be more difficult to beat than Cotto.

[ono]

Look at the end of the day, these 2 guys put on a great fight....

but these threads about Mayweather getting battered by Tony are ludicrous.

I actually think Cotto would be a much harder fight for him.

Mayweather likes to get on his bike and fight in reverse. He actually enjoys it, whereas Cotto doesn't or at least didn't look comfortable.. Even if Tony had him (mayweather) pinned on the ropes, Mayweather's defence would take care of it. He avoided much better/faster combinations from ODLH while laying on the ropes, so i fail to see how Tony would make his combo's land.

There was times early on in the fight where Tony started following Cotto around just like Chico did against Floyd. That's how elusive Floyd is. I just see Tony following him around in a similar fashion to what Chico did. Granted i don't see Mayweather hurting him, and i'd expect the fight to be a bit more competitive, but i still see Mayweather winning quite easily.

Finally i think it's important to remember that the styles clashed perfectly on Saturday night. The fight flowed perfectly, Everything about it was just perfect and while i feel Tony is one of the most relentless guys i've ever seen, being relentless isn't enough against Floyd Mayweather.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Mayweather can beat Antonio.

Cotto has actually a better stylistic chance at beating Mayweather.

[hit2win]

PBF: You Better Stay in Bicycle...

[wesrman]

The more i read about this, the more i need to see it.

[Plopeater]

I'd like him back against Margarito or Williams or even Cotto still

[Chino]

I don't know....we all saw when Cotto had his legs under him that Toni was easily outboxed and lord knows PBF can stay on the bicycle for 80 rounds if he needed to.

Easily outboxed or not, did it do anything to Tony? Mayweather is a more complete boxer compared to Margarito so I can visualize Cotto loosing once again. Not sure if Mayweather can have Cotto's face covered in blood and with his mouth open after the 6th round but I can see him winning with ease.

I think DE LA HOYA should be scared of Toni because there's no freaking way he can hurt him when Cotto and Cintron hit him with the kitchen sink and nothing happened....ODH is in deep shit if he fights Toni.

Same thing people said about Tony and look what happened to Cotto. If ODLH and Mayweather both beat Cotto, this place will be quite bitter. Just look what happened after Cotto lost. Let's see if Cotto can accomplish half of what Mayweather and ODLH have ending up in the resume they both have.

Floyd shouldn't try to fight Cotto either he showed how versitile he was in there with Toni

Nope, with last fight it keeps showing how Cotto easily gets cut, rocked, knocked down, etc. If people keep saying that all it takes for ODLH to go down is one punch to the body and it only happened ONCE then I guess we can say that Cotto gets drained after round 6 of his fights.

...it's amazing but Cotto's stock went up IMO even with the loss...he showed his boxing skill, stamina, and chin

Not for me. It keeps showing how he has a questionable chin/jaw, easily gets cut, gets rocked in every fight, etc. I like his punching power and style, how he works the body in some fights (couldn't vs Tony), jab, etc. But sometimes I wonder if he's a bit overrated. His resume doesn't impress me as much as Mayweather's, ODLH, and other's out there.

And yeah I said stamina because NOBODY could have kept moving and punching like Cotto

Paul Williams did as well as Joshua Clottey and when they went back home people still recognized their faces.
OumaFan,
Exactly, he'll bore the crowd and get booed but I can see him prance his way to victory against Cotto and Margarito. I would love to see them or whoever not only beat Mayweather but to KO/TKO him but I find it hard for these guys to accomplish. We can't really mention a clear flaw in Mayweather so far, can we?

I think Mayweather would still beat Cotto, but it would be a much more competitive fight.

Taeth,
Yeah. I can see Mayweather beating Cotto but not as he would against Margarito. Cotto is faster than Margarito but he's no speedy gonzalez.

Stop acting like Mayweather is made out of glass he has foughten a number of respectable punchers Corrales, Castillox2, Ndou, Gatti, Dela Hoya, Judah and none of them were able to dent him.

Exactly. As if Cotto's and Margarito's resume is as great as Mayweather's and ODLH's.

but these threads about Mayweather getting battered by Tony are ludicrous.

Ono,
Everyday you'll see threads about how terrible ODLH is and how Mayweather is no good.

Mayweather likes to get on his bike and fight in reverse. He actually enjoys it, whereas Cotto doesn't or at least didn't look comfortable.

I saw Cotto fighting on reverse most of the fight against Tony. Sometimes he would even back pedal from one corner all the way to the other with his arms down.

[DC Amateur Boxing]

I'm a very big PBF fan, but I try to look at every situation objectively. I just know that although he loves to run his mouth and "sell tickets", he takes his craft very seriously. His personality (or lack thereof depending who you ask) makes people love him or hate him– but everyone feels strongly one way or another. So, what does that mean? It means it sells tickets.

Before the Hatton fight, everyone said the same thing about Hatton's pressure and strength. If Hatton would have KO'd Mayweather, you would have heard a bunch of I-told-you-sos. When he KO'd Hatton, it was "Well, Hatton really wasn't that good. Floyd just proved what we were thinking anyhow." Because of his mouth, if he beat all the fighters people say he's ducking - it wouldn't stop the hate.

As a PBF fan, I really keep watching and buying PPV to SEE HIM GET TESTED. I really want to see how he deals with adversity, but it never happens. He really makes it look too easy: researching opponents, developing a gameplan and, most importantly, sticking to it. Zab tried to get him out of his gameplan with dirty tactics - Floyd stuck with the plan. Hatton tried to be Hatton - didn't work either. During the Hatton fight, I was worried because it seemed like Floyd didn't want to fight at first. But, then I told everyone that was watching it with me that "He must be doing this for a reason." He was. He seemed to want to make Hatton think he didn't want to fight and he held a lot, which got under Hatton's skin & made him even more aggressive and reckless - setting himself up for the PBF's check hook. Floyd always has a plan, don't get fooled by his foolishness. All of these crazy comments IMO are just setting up a big PPV payday for the millions who hate him so much and want to see him get his ass kicked. For those who can't stand him - would you pay to see Margarito clobber him?

Anyway, please keep talking and posting about him being scared because I really really really want him to come back and fight Margarito. But when Floyd beats him too, you have to give him props.

I think that ultimately, Floyd is a businessman first and really tries to make sure that he's getting top dollar for all his fights. It HAS to be the right opponent at the right time and for the right money. He just doesn't budge on any of his demands for taking a fight. Is that contrary to the "old school" way and culture of boxing - IT SURE IS. But then again, so is paying a guy millions to say "Let's get ready to rumble", so is both fighters in a title fight having ads written on their backs like jackasses, so is a fighter taking 15 minutes to dance & sing his way into the ring . . .

Were would PBF's antics rank on a list of the top 100 things wrong with boxing from all time greats? Probably not even close to the top of the list.

In the day and age of blogs, youtube, myspace, twitter and flickr - I think we can make him come back. So, I'll join in too as a PBF fan - FLOYD YOU BETTER STAY IN RETIREMENT!!

[Dizaster]

When I picture a fight between Tony and Floyd, I first of course think of Tony the destroyer's ability to just wear down opponents the way he just slowly but surely took Cotto apart.. But that's my optimism of liking Tony and not particularly being a huge lover of Floyd..
But the second thing i'll think of is Floyd putting on the show the same he has done with every other pressure/heavy hitting guy he's been up against. Picking off jabs and counters left, right and centre. 12 rounds of lateral movement and forcing his opponents to chase chase chase,,,, and look silly doing it.

What has helped Floyd to be able to do that though, is that he actually HAS hit his opponents hard with counters and made them hesitate coming in... The people who were perceived to be real threats to Floyd in the day, were perceived as a threat because they possibly had the ability to smother Floyds work and continually pound away at him.. Whether he runs or not, they are going to punish him with so many punches that he can't possibly withstand it..
That is actually all well and good, but all these fighters have gotten caught with enough of Floyds nice, HARD counters, that they've had to think twice about walking through too many more of them...
It's the fact Floyd gets on his bike for 12 rounds that wins him fights.
But it's equally the fact Floyd makes even the hardest fighters hesitant to charge in on him just to land their own punches..


Margarito's style is perfect to beat Floyd in my opinion,,,,,

IF

His head is made of solid steal, and he can literally walk through every single one of Floyd's punches without being effect, and punish him all the same as if he were a punching bag..

If anyone thought Hatton had a chance, it would have been because of 2 things :

1. They thought he could push, chase, push and get inside Floyd WITHOUT being bothered by his punches.
2. Bang away on Floyd like a punching bag, regardless of how much he tries to run.


If someone can fulfill those 2 conditions, they have a very very good chance of f'ing Floyd up...

The entire problem though, is that no one that has faced Floyd has gone unbothered by his punches.. To come up with a gameplan to beat Floyd's "skills" alone,,, you almost have to ignore the fact he hits back... But he does.. And the combination of the 2, running and punching, is next to impossible to beat...

But take away one of those attributes?................... That's another story..

To beat Floyd's game, you have to have a chin that makes Floyds punches count for zero...

Does Margarito have that chin

If Margarito could withstand Floyds punches, I believe he could hand Floyd his first zero..

Floyd is a skilled runner, but that's half his game. If his other half (his attack of course) can be withstood by an opponent, then he is by no means in my eyes unstoppable...

Unfortunately no one was up to that challenge during Floyd's career, and possibly no one will get a chance in Floyd's retirement.

[the wiz]

My question to everyone out there that thinks Floyd would easily beat Tony.

THEN WHY THE HELL WON'T FLOYD FIGHT TONY IF IT WOULD BE SUCH AN EASY FIGHT?