Worst cases of Pugilistic dementia

[means2184]

I think they need to come up with some sort of regulation about boxers not being allowed to fight.

I can think of a few that should never be allowed in the ring again. Holyfield, Riddiculous Bowe, Thomas Hearns. the list is endless.

I bet most the boxers that are left damaged are those who you don't hear about that are like 14-8 -1 in their careers.

tahst nothin you shoudl look on some "boxrec" records ...like 10-56-4 carreers its ridiculas

[Lords Gym]

I don’t Think Holyfield qualifies for Pugilistic dementia. . From what I can gather he has passed all his medical exams. Evander has never sounded great from a vocal stand point . He was educated at the school of hard knocks. His only problem is he is getting older. It’s age that is sapping him of the assets that made him a champion - hand eye coordination ,speed and stamina . That being said The man should be allowed to make a living in Boxing . Match him up right and he can build his confidence back . Then put him in there with someone in the top 10. Christ Larry Donald was a bad match make ! Evander is not going to get better if he fights once every 1 ½ years . He need to fight often and against some of the sub pare type boxers that Sam Peter has been fighting lately . For building purposes .

[bigragu]

Outside of Jerry Quarry and Ali, Floyd Patterson comes to mind, Joe Frazier, Hearns, Holyfield; Terry Norris was so bad that at a Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing over his pending re-licensing, he could barely form complete sentences.
I'm sure there are tons of others that come to you guys.

honestly there have been studies and it comes down to the person....just look around and you will see people walking around with very similar problems as the fighters...and thse people have never fought in their lives!!!!!!!! The fact that they/media exploit it is horrible.....all the fighters you named is less than 20....I see that many everyday at the store.....the dementia, parkinsons(michael j fox) and alzheimers(Ronald Reagan) are as genetic based as the Pugilistic dementia is caused from boxing.... now if a person starts to show sings of this do we stop them? Do we have the right? Lets say some has this and they are not a fighter...do they have to quit whatever job they are doing because that is what obviously caused their problem? all I'm saying is if you do it for the boxers we need to do it for everyone.... when do you stop....when do you determine that someone is starting to show the effects.... I gathered up plenty of this information because none of the gyms in my area wanted to have amateur boxing in them for fear of BRAIN DAMAGE.....I found studies that compared people that had never had a fight compared to fighters that had on average 70 amateur fights and the neurological tests came back the same there was no difference...the only thing that showed up was barely a loss of finger dexterity...what a shock...so all of this is more genetic than pugilistic.....??

[ElTerribleMorales]

Buster Douglas seems pretty fucked up

[Taeth]

Tommy Hearns,Ray Leonard,Holyfield

Tommy Hearns and Ray Leonard are still in pretty good shape compared to others.

[dav8d777]

Tommy Hearns,Ray Leonard,Holyfield

Tommy Hearns and Ray Leonard are still in pretty good shape compared to others.

Leonard seems to be doing fine. Hearns has a tremendous speech impediment.

[CGM]

Tommy Hearns,Ray Leonard,Holyfield

Tommy Hearns and Ray Leonard are still in pretty good shape compared to others.

Leonard seems to be doing fine. Hearns has a tremendous speech impediment.

Leonard has never been a smooth talker, IMO he really sucked as a boxing commentator back in the day, check out Arguello-Mancini for an example.

Great great scrapper though.

[KKisser]

i thought The Shadow got resurrected but turns out to be an old thread. i wonder what happened to that fellow?

[means2184]

Outside of Jerry Quarry and Ali, Floyd Patterson comes to mind, Joe Frazier, Hearns, Holyfield; Terry Norris was so bad that at a Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing over his pending re-licensing, he could barely form complete sentences.
I'm sure there are tons of others that come to you guys.

honestly there have been studies and it comes down to the person....just look around and you will see people walking around with very similar problems as the fighters...and thse people have never fought in their lives!!!!!!!! The fact that they/media exploit it is horrible.....all the fighters you named is less than 20....I see that many everyday at the store.....the dementia, parkinsons(michael j fox) and alzheimers(Ronald Reagan) are as genetic based as the Pugilistic dementia is caused from boxing.... now if a person starts to show sings of this do we stop them? Do we have the right? Lets say some has this and they are not a fighter...do they have to quit whatever job they are doing because that is what obviously caused their problem? all I'm saying is if you do it for the boxers we need to do it for everyone.... when do you stop....when do you determine that someone is starting to show the effects.... I gathered up plenty of this information because none of the gyms in my area wanted to have amateur boxing in them for fear of BRAIN DAMAGE.....I found studies that compared people that had never had a fight compared to fighters that had on average 70 amateur fights and the neurological tests came back the same there was no difference...the only thing that showed up was barely a loss of finger dexterity...what a shock...so all of this is more genetic than pugilistic.....??

if you get in a car accident and whack your head off your wind sheild or stirring wheel hard enough u can develope a slurr and slowness ...Ali after the 3rd frazier fight developed a slurr ..Bowe after the holyfeild and golata fights spoke different.....anyway Alis parkinsons is "parkonsons sydrom from brain stem trauma" ..anyway it is boxing that does this to the boxers..

and yes holyfeils should be aloowed to fight

[means2184]

when you run marothons or any sport and arent conditioned to stay Fully hydrated the whole time ...or if your are but go to the point of exhaustion your brain loses its water ...when your in a sport that involves punches to the head when your brain is dry it swells ...when this happens multipile ties in a career its ineveitable these things happen ...its the price of glory and having heart kinda

anyway thats why its good to have good defence and know when to quit ..it ay mean 20 yrs on your life ...(why i dont blae kostya for not going that 12th round)

[Lords Gym]

when you run marothons or any sport and arent conditioned to stay Fully hydrated the whole time ...or if your are but go to the point of exhaustion your brain loses its water ...when your in a sport that involves punches to the head when your brain is dry it swells ...when this happens multipile ties in a career its ineveitable these things happen ...its the price of glory and having heart kinda

anyway thats why its good to have good defence and know when to quit ..it ay mean 20 yrs on your life ...(why i dont blae kostya for not going that 12th round)

Excellent point. these fighters that take fluid off to make weight take a huge risk. because the fluid barrier that cushions the brain from the skull is the last place that gets re-hydrated. About 48 hours or so after weight in ! Subdural Hematomais a greater possibility in a fighter that take that water weight off ! So when you see that over night gain of 14-15 lbs that’s not good !

[means2184]

when you run marothons or any sport and arent conditioned to stay Fully hydrated the whole time ...or if your are but go to the point of exhaustion your brain loses its water ...when your in a sport that involves punches to the head when your brain is dry it swells ...when this happens multipile ties in a career its ineveitable these things happen ...its the price of glory and having heart kinda

anyway thats why its good to have good defence and know when to quit ..it ay mean 20 yrs on your life ...(why i dont blae kostya for not going that 12th round)

Excellent point. these fighters that take fluid off to make weight take a huge risk. because the fluid barrier that cushions the brain from the skull is the last place that gets re-hydrated. About 48 hours or so after weight in ! Subdural Hematomais a greater possibility in a fighter that take that water weight off ! So when you see that over night gain of 14-15 lbs that’s not good !

your right ...james toney doesnt take too many shots ,but veterans like him and ali are able to stay calm and fight tired ...Ali was running 5 miles only for 15 round fights cause he was very much AT HOME in the ring like toney...these fighter especilially need to watch carefully they dont take too many hits ...anyway many fight fan and even fighters dont know all this

[yoitsdan]

I know this isn't pugilistic dementia but I thinks there's some correlation with this thread. Frank Bruno and my dad both suffer from a form of depression called bipolar syndrome, my dad boxed 42 amateur fights over 7 years, and I wonder if there's any link. Bipolar is caused by irregular levels of serotonin and dopamine being released at different times, causing over-happiness followed by crushing 'downers' that last much longer. Any insights?

[dav8d777]

I know this isn't pugilistic dementia but I thinks there's some correlation with this thread. Frank Bruno and my dad both suffer from a form of depression called bipolar syndrome, my dad boxed 42 amateur fights over 7 years, and I wonder if there's any link. Bipolar is caused by irregular levels of serotonin and dopamine being released at different times, causing over-happiness followed by crushing 'downers' that last much longer. Any insights?

I don't know the answer to that, but there is a lot of depression among well-known boxers. On the other hand these guys are often facing other problems and the rate of depression in the public generally is higher than is normally perceived.

I haven't over the decades seen a correlation between boxing and bipolar / manic and I tend to doubt there is one.

I have seen many cases of boxers with depression, but, as I'm sure you know, that is very different from bipolar.

A lot of the boxers with depression later expressed a need to stay away from recreational drugs. Bipolar on the other hand is not, to my knowledge directly connected to drugs, exercise or even head trauma.

[CutMeMick]

Terry Norris has signs of it.

But I think the worst I've seen is Bobby Chacon.