Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer

[Chino]

Does this mean Pacs scared of ODLH?

Hahahahaha! Oh man, now we'll see bunch of threads about how ODLH is completely afraid of Pac and made it an excuse or Pac. God forbid ODLH beat the forum's beloved Cotto, this place would be quite something and we would see come creative excuses as for why Cotto lost just like we did when he lost convincingly against Margarito.

[Pavlik]

Does this mean Pacs scared of ODLH?

Well he should be

[LeonardW12Hagler]

If that reported purse is accurate he'll sign

[Violent Demise]

Does this mean Pacs scared of ODLH?

Yes

[Lance Uppercut]

From Dan Rafael of ESPN.COM/BOXING



A week after face-to-face negotiations began for a Dec. 6 megafight between Oscar De La Hoya, boxing's most popular star, and Manny Pacquiao, the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world, talks have broken down, leaving the fight in doubt.


Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao, told ESPN.com that talks reached a stalemate Tuesday when neither De La Hoya nor Pacquiao would budge from the percentage split each wanted.
According to Arum, De La Hoya was seeking a 70-30 revenue split in his favor while Pacquiao wanted 40 percent of an HBO PPV fight that would likely generate more than $100 million.


The other issues had been resolved, Arum said. The sides agreed to a 147-pound maximum weight limit, meaning De La Hoya would have to make the welterweight limit for the first time since defeating Arturo Gatti in 2001. The lightest De La Hoya, who has won titles in six divisions, had been since was for his May decision win against Steve Forbes when he weighed 150 pounds.


Pacquiao, who holds a 135-pound lightweight title after starting his career as a 106-pounder, would have moved up two weight classes to fight De La Hoya.
Also resolved was the issue of the gloves for the fight that would have taken place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, where De La Hoya figures to face a different opponent at the end of the year unless he or Pacquiao has a change of heart.


Arum said the sides had also agreed to wear 8-ounce gloves of the brand of their choice instead of 10-ounce gloves


"Richard and I had a good meeting and we resolved the other issues," Arum said. "Oscar wanted 70-30 and Richard and I figured that there would be room for movement. Oscar was supposed to come in [to Los Angeles] this week to meet with Richard in person, but he didn't make it and had to do it on the telephone. Oscar was adamant about it being 70-30 or no deal. Richard told me that and that I transmitted it to Pacquiao and his people in the Philippines. They told me that there was no deal and to look to make another fight."


Arum said his backup plan is for Pacquiao to defend his lightweight belt against Humberto Soto, a top junior lightweight who would move up for the opportunity. However, Arum does not have a site or venue in which to stage the fight in the jam-packed fall.


Arum was clearly disappointed with the turn the talks took.
"This is not Richard or me f------ around," he said. "Richard and I had a very frank discussion. I always felt there would be a deal. When Richard came back and said that Oscar wasn't moving, I was surprised. Unless there is movement, the deal is off."


Schaefer was tied up in a meeting and not available to comment, but his words from a week ago when talks began were prophetic.
"I think what it will take is for Manny to give and for Oscar to give to get a deal done," Schaefer said.


Had Pacquiao, who has won titles in five divisions, accepted a 30 percent split, he could have earned his biggest payday, upwards of $10 million to $15 million. Arum said that is not the way Pacquiao thinks.


"The question in a fighter's mind is not how much they're going to make, but what is a fair split," he said. "Forget the ultimate number. They have to perceive what they are getting is fair. The deal we were working on was a lot of money for both guys. The question is what is a fair split? I thought somewhere between 30 and 40 percent for Manny was fair."


The most Pacquiao, 29, has ever made for a fight is about $5 million, Arum said.
Arum said he wished that De La Hoya had said it was 70-30 or nothing from the start.
"You don't start a negotiations offering 30 percent and adamantly take the position that you're not going to move. He should have said that in the beginning. It's not Richard, it's Oscar. He says Manny shouldn't get more than Floyd [Mayweather]. Floyd got 30 percent. Manny says he's bigger than Floyd was at the time."
When De La Hoya, 35, lost to Mayweather in May 2007, Mayweather received 30 percent of the promotion for what turned out to be the biggest grossing fight in history.


Arum left the door open to still making the fight.
"If they called us and proposed 35 percent I would go and I would be able to get the fight done," Arum said. "I hope that Oscar, with all his money and everything, is going to be sensible here."


Dan Rafael is ESPN.com's boxing writer.

[Pacdbest2]

Don't worry guys. It's not over yet!! This just a part of the hype. Pac is just Passing the ball to DLH. DLH will have a better Offer & this fight will still be made. After all that hype for the past few weeks... they can't just abandon this fight. It's up to DLH now.

[Wacko3205]

Soto vs Pac would be a goodin!

Maybe not as bankable as an Oscar fight...but more credible, IWHO.

[JT Rock]

I understand the whole risk factor and all but Cmon 10-15 million dollar purse, for a 135 pound fighter!!! You will never ever see that again...EVER!!! Manny Pac just flushed away his opportunity to get the highest pay day he has ever gotten by almost triple, not to mention screwed over any body at that weight who will come along after him that might be lucky enough to draw a fraction of that money and Pac just flushed away this top earning precedence for any fighter at a lighter weight...

So in a fact Manny could have blazed a trail for higher earning at that weight class and he dropped the ball on that too

[XaduBoxer]

Hoya was able to lure PBF to a 70-30 purse split last time since he was the champ and PBF the challenger but now Hoya got no more belt and PAC deserves to get a purse share of 35 to 40 percent IMO.

[JT Rock]

Hoya was able to lure PBF to a 70-30 purse split last time since he was the champ and PBF the challenger but now Hoya got no more belt and PAC deserves to get a purse share of 35 to 40 percent IMO.

Yep no Pac will fight fight Soto or Valero for peanuts now

Hey I see were you guys are coming from but money is money man.... Pac has nothing to lose in this fight. If he beats Delahoya then it adds to Mannys already impressive Legacy, moving to Welter and beating the GoldenBoy and then become rich beyond his wildest dreams..

If he loses then he moved up 40 pounds over his natural weight to lose to a bigger stronger Delahoya, his PFP status and 135 title will both intact and OH YEA... HE'LL STILL BE RICH BEYOND HIS WILDEST DREAMS!!!!!!!!!

Pac stop bullshittin around and make the fight

[leftylee]

Good decision by Pac, he would of got destroyed.

[Fenster]

It's surprising Pac is turning down $15m considering his best ever purse is $3-5m.. BUT.. Pac isn't at the very end of his career.

He wont make $15m for any other single fight, but may make MORE than that sum for his next three fights.. especially if one of those include Hatton.

Earning $15m in defeat is surely not as good as earning $15m in victory

[Panadzzz]

Anyways hoya is filthy rich now. Why can't he just give 10% more? 60-40. Is that too much asking since it's regarded as risky by the pac team?

[Pavlik]

I have a gut feeling it will push thru one way or another.
PAC will change his mind as usual/or will be convinced to take this fight anyways.
10 million is hard to resist IMO but with the health risk involved PAC deserves more than that.
Regarding Oscar he wants an easy opponent where he will get the fans to root for him, against Tony I think most fans will be rooting for Tony.

[Panadzzz]

Money can't buy a potential death...and hospital bills
Seriously,if you think this is a veeery risky fight (former 106 pnds fighting a 155pnds.), then get the right share you're worth with, from a boxer's standpoint.