Sorry Haye: you will not unify in the years to come.

[BIG H]

Pele Reid ko'd Vitali. Fact.

[Dark Lord Al]

Pele Reid ko'd Vitali. Fact.

That was in a different sport i believe. so explain the relevance ?

Kimbo Slice won loads of back yard slug fests but got KOED in a MMA fight .

Both are bullshit points of view.

[Fenster]

Pele Reid ko'd Vitali. Fact.

That was in a different sport i believe. so explain the relevance ?

Kimbo Slice won loads of back yard slug fests but got KOED in a MMA fight .

Both are bullshit points of view.

It was kickboxing. But Pele SPARKED OUT Vitali. Fact. If Pele can why can't someone else?

That is the relevance

[sonny78]

Re: Sorry Haye: you will not unify in the years to come.
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Pele Reid ko'd Vitali. Fact.



That was in a different sport i believe. so explain the relevance ?

Kimbo Slice won loads of back yard slug fests but got KOED in a MMA fight .

Both are bullshit points of view.
It was kickboxing. But Pele SPARKED OUT Vitali. Fact. If Pele can why can't someone else?

That is the relevance

Because no one else is allowed to kick him in the head

No one has ever knocked out Vitali with a punch, Haye on the other hand can be put down with a strong fart

[El Kabong]

Pele Reid ko'd Vitali. Fact.

Carl Thompson KO'd David Haye FACT


Haye hasn't even fought a heavyweight fight that meant anything and we're already saying he will give Wlad a run for his money much less Vitali....and right after Haye gets walloped by some heavyweight (I doubt he makes it unscathed through the division) people will be looking to a new English hope Tyson Fury....yeah he's way better than Williams, Audley, or Haye!!!!

David "The Great English Hype" Haye

[Fenster]

Pele Reid ko'd Vitali. Fact.

Carl Thompson KO'd David Haye FACT


Haye hasn't even fought a heavyweight fight that meant anything and we're already saying he will give Wlad a run for his money much less Vitali....and right after Haye gets walloped by some heavyweight (I doubt he makes it unscathed through the division) people will be looking to a new English hope Tyson Fury....yeah he's way better than Williams, Audley, or Haye!!!!

David "The Great English Hype" Haye

NO.. that's not a fact. Fact. Haye was stopped on his feet still throwing punches. Fact.

Haye is NOT just hype. He was a TOP amateur, then as a pro became undisputed cruiserweight champion. He is now trying his hand in the heavyweight division.

Ive seen ONE person - on this site - say he'd beat Vitali. And a small-ish group that think he'd KO Wlad.

You're deluding yourself by getting caught in your own neurotic hyperbole

[Shamrock]

I remember another undisputed Cruiser Champ who moved up to heavy and had the same doubts cast on his ability tocope as a small heavy against the giansts... Evander Holyfield. Speed kills... Dark Lord Al has a point... we are all guessing until Haye gets in with a legitimate Heavweight contender.

This concept of an iron chin amuses me... if any fighter lands a perfectly timed timed a shot on a fighter around the same weight then it's going to have an effect... It's the defence that makes the difference. Partially blocking the shot or moving your head/body to take the sting out of it makes the most difference. Very few fighters are blessed with an iron chin.

I hope Haye does make an impact at heavy because at the moment the heavweights are about as exciting as a game of dominoes in my local...

[Tysonbruno]

At least not until both Klitschko brothers retire. Now that Vitali beat Peter, the only think that let Haye stand a chance against Wladimir, his weak chin, is gone against Vitali. No way does Haye have the power to KO Vitali who stood up to the power of Lennox Lewis. Haye stands no chance whatsoever in beating both brothers. He hardly had a chance against Wladimir, not Vitali is 10x better than Wladimir becuase he doesn't have to worry so much about being knocked out so he can throw more punches, he is more relaxed in there, and he puts a lot more combinations together.

How do you know Haye don't hit harder that Lennox at heavyweight??

[El Kabong]

How do you know Haye don't hit harder that Lennox at heavyweight??

...because he's not as heavy, he's not as big, he's not as strong, and REALLY?!?!?!

[CFH]

Here's the story about Vitali being KO'd. Sounds like he wasn't down and out or anything, just knocked down. Unless this passage is referring to him being completely out, but I'm pretty sure it's saying he was just knocked down and would've beat the count had there been one.

"The Ukrainian went down, and had it been regular Boxing or Kickboxing rules, there was no way there would have been any kind of ten-count. As it was, being a light-contact match, the ref just waved the fight off and Reid was the new European Champion."

BOXNEWS.com.ua - Boxing news - The Man Who "Knocked Vitali Klitschko Out"...What Really Happened!

[eagle]

I remember another undisputed Cruiser Champ who moved up to heavy and had the same doubts cast on his ability tocope as a small heavy against the giansts... Evander Holyfield. Speed kills... Dark Lord Al has a point... we are all guessing until Haye gets in with a legitimate Heavweight contender.

This concept of an iron chin amuses me... if any fighter lands a perfectly timed timed a shot on a fighter around the same weight then it's going to have an effect... It's the defence that makes the difference. Partially blocking the shot or moving your head/body to take the sting out of it makes the most difference. Very few fighters are blessed with an iron chin.

I hope Haye does make an impact at heavy because at the moment the heavweights are about as exciting as a game of dominoes in my local...

Holyfield had/has ant ATG chin. That is his big advantage and difference over Haye.

[El Kabong]

Holyfield also worked his way up to a title shot.

[Tysonbruno]

How do you know Haye don't hit harder that Lennox at heavyweight??

...because he's not as heavy, he's not as big, he's not as strong, and REALLY?!?!?!

Haye is 22 fights 21 wins 20 KO's we don't know if he hits harder than Lennox at heavyweight yet because he hasn't had a meaningful fight at the weight but just cos he won't be as heavy as Lennox doesn't mean he won't hit as hard or harder. Valuev is 7ft 2 inch and 23-24 stone (322lbs-336lbs) but he doesn't hit hard at all really so the fact he is not as heavy or as big doesn't mean he doesn't hit as hard or harder.