Margarito - Mosely? -hell yeah.

[GAME]

Mosley is the man. Always has been. That said, can Mosley employ the strategy Cotto employed the first 5 rounds for a full 12? At this stage in his career?

Mosley deserves praise, but give Margarito his daps too. If this fight comes off, he'll have fought Cintron, Cotto, and Mosley in three fights.

Yeah and he fought Paul Williams b3 Golden Johnson

Props to Margarito too . They are both warriors.

[intoccabile]

Mosley is the man. Always has been. That said, can Mosley employ the strategy Cotto employed the first 5 rounds for a full 12? At this stage in his career?

Mosley deserves praise, but give Margarito his daps too. If this fight comes off, he'll have fought Cintron, Cotto, and Mosley in three fights.

Nope... mosley retreating is not possible.
He's always been a brawler.

[hfahrenheit]

Stylistically this is everything both men want, but everything Shane shouldn't have any part of. One of the 4 "Big" welterweights (Margi, Cintron, Clottey, Williams) versus the smallest. Size alone turns this into a nightmare for the smaller Mosely.

Mosely is a brawler. A lot of people fail to see that. Mosely doesn't box from the outside or pick shots, mosely likes to bang. He's a great counter puncher but he does his best work when he's banging - all Margi does. How much of a Margi onslaught can shane take? And does shane really dish out more than cotto could?

Alot could go wrong here. In shanes favor he will utilise his clinch often, cotto only clinched twice in his fight with margi. Shane isn't a defensive wizzard. Infact, when on the retreat, Cottos defense is far superior than Shane. Shane will catch alot more leather than cotto did and will do so willingly. I don't see this ending pretty for Shane. (based on the shane we know and love.. very possible he comes to fight with a different plan on fight night though).

I do however, think this is a gorgeous match on paper because of their styles and this is going to be an incredible fight. What Shane shows up though? The shane who lets his hands go? Or the Shane who at times shies from throwing any punches and will literally stand in front of his opponent fending off pot shots.

so, you think maybe he got some false confidence (about his size and power) after the Mayorga KO?

i think the main idea here is that Sugar is becoming B-hop esque, in that he taking any big fights he can to cement his legacy, and for the money too of course.

i also think a similar point here is being made as to the RJJ comment on 24/7-- if Sugar wins, he gets the title and a significant bump in the all time p4p ratings; if he loses, he's still Sugar. for Margarito it's just the opposite- if he wins, he keeps the status quo; if he loses, his historical rating drops significantly and maybe the fans get a decent rematch out of the deal.

botom line, he can't let the guy cotto beat, beat him.

[intoccabile]

Stylistically this is everything both men want, but everything Shane shouldn't have any part of. One of the 4 "Big" welterweights (Margi, Cintron, Clottey, Williams) versus the smallest. Size alone turns this into a nightmare for the smaller Mosely.

Mosely is a brawler. A lot of people fail to see that. Mosely doesn't box from the outside or pick shots, mosely likes to bang. He's a great counter puncher but he does his best work when he's banging - all Margi does. How much of a Margi onslaught can shane take? And does shane really dish out more than cotto could?

Alot could go wrong here. In shanes favor he will utilise his clinch often, cotto only clinched twice in his fight with margi. Shane isn't a defensive wizzard. Infact, when on the retreat, Cottos defense is far superior than Shane. Shane will catch alot more leather than cotto did and will do so willingly. I don't see this ending pretty for Shane. (based on the shane we know and love.. very possible he comes to fight with a different plan on fight night though).

I do however, think this is a gorgeous match on paper because of their styles and this is going to be an incredible fight. What Shane shows up though? The shane who lets his hands go? Or the Shane who at times shies from throwing any punches and will literally stand in front of his opponent fending off pot shots.

so, you think maybe he got some false confidence (about his size and power) after the Mayorga KO?

i think the main idea here is that Sugar is becoming B-hop esque, in that he taking any big fights he can to cement his legacy, and for the money too of course.

i also think a similar point here is being made as to the RJJ comment on 24/7-- if Sugar wins, he gets the title and a significant bump in the all time p4p ratings; if he loses, he's still Sugar. for Margarito it's just the opposite- if he wins, he keeps the status quo; if he loses, his historical rating drops significantly and maybe the fans get a decent rematch out of the deal.

botom line, he can't let the guy cotto beat, beat him.

No, not false confidence at all. It's just.. Mosley was best at 135...Margi is the secodn biggest 147 in the business, and is still considered a pretty big 154. Size matters. It is what destroyed Cotto and Cotto defeated Mosely in a great fight.

[Wayne]

Stylistically this is everything both men want, but everything Shane shouldn't have any part of. One of the 4 "Big" welterweights (Margi, Cintron, Clottey, Williams) versus the smallest. Size alone turns this into a nightmare for the smaller Mosely.

Mosely is a brawler. A lot of people fail to see that. Mosely doesn't box from the outside or pick shots, mosely likes to bang. He's a great counter puncher but he does his best work when he's banging - all Margi does. How much of a Margi onslaught can shane take? And does shane really dish out more than cotto could?

Alot could go wrong here. In shanes favor he will utilise his clinch often, cotto only clinched twice in his fight with margi. Shane isn't a defensive wizzard. Infact, when on the retreat, Cottos defense is far superior than Shane. Shane will catch alot more leather than cotto did and will do so willingly. I don't see this ending pretty for Shane. (based on the shane we know and love.. very possible he comes to fight with a different plan on fight night though).

I do however, think this is a gorgeous match on paper because of their styles and this is going to be an incredible fight. What Shane shows up though? The shane who lets his hands go? Or the Shane who at times shies from throwing any punches and will literally stand in front of his opponent fending off pot shots.

This won't be a repeat of Cotto-Margarito. Cotto showed everyone what NOT to do against Margarito. Shane will use that as a blueprint and train particularly in the things Cotto didn't do. Remember: thought Mosley is a small welter, he's fought at JMW several times against bigger guys (Winky, Oscar, Vargas & Mayorga). Oscar has a much better pedigree than Margarito and the version who last fought Mosley would be Margarito. Any version of Winky would embarrass Margarito and Vargas and Mayorga would just be good fun for everyone involved.

This will be a beautiful fight.

Mosley WILL brawl. But he will do a whole lot of what Clottey was successful with against Margarito. Being first to the punch and landing combos at will. Margarito's work-rate will be stunted and midway through the fight to maybe the 9th round he will look a little gunshy because he will be getting popped before and after every punch. Shane has a little more wisdom than Cotto and he will clinch when he needs it. Look for him to have a high work-rate because he won't be touching any weights. This is all about speed and stamina and Mosley has never had a problem with either. Look for Margarito to start KO hunting in rounds 11 and 12. I wouldn't be surprised if Mosley gets knocked down twice.

[hfahrenheit]

Any version of Winky would embarrass Margarito and Vargas and Mayorga would just be good fun for everyone involved.

dude, i was with you until you said that-

i can't stand "the tWink"... i hope he fights Pavlik and Kelly puts a glove through his face.

[boozeboxer]

Any version of Winky would embarrass Margarito and Vargas and Mayorga would just be good fun for everyone involved.

dude, i was with you until you said that-

i can't stand "the tWink"... i hope he fights Pavlik and Kelly puts a glove through his face.

I think that Kelly has had his fill of the elite pugilists for awhile. Like BHOP, Winky is a true disciple of the fight game.

[hfahrenheit]

Any version of Winky would embarrass Margarito and Vargas and Mayorga would just be good fun for everyone involved.

dude, i was with you until you said that-

i can't stand "the tWink"... i hope he fights Pavlik and Kelly puts a glove through his face.

I think that Kelly has had his fill of the elite pugilists for awhile. Like BHOP, Winky is a true disciple of the fight game.

yeah, but unlike Nard, the tWink couldn't out punch my 3yr old daughter... but, in fairness, she is getting better.

for the record, we are talking about a fight at 160, right? (that's the official Pavlik discussion caveat these days).

[Wayne]

Any version of Winky would embarrass Margarito and Vargas and Mayorga would just be good fun for everyone involved.

dude, i was with you until you said that-

i can't stand "the tWink"... i hope he fights Pavlik and Kelly puts a glove through his face.

Then we just gotta agree to disagree because Jermain Taylor couldn't do it at 160 and I just don't see Margarito, who isn't as good a boxer or as strong, doing it at 147. Twink, though he may be, but a better defender you'd be hard-pressed to find.

[gyrokai]

Mosley has the style to stop Margarito in his tracks, but the man is old.
He's not shot, but Margarito is full steam ahead.
By the way, Margarito has around two more good to great fights in him.

He's not going to be around any longer. Too much output and take.

Margarito, to stop Mosley Out with the old guard, in with the new.

[hfahrenheit]

Any version of Winky would embarrass Margarito and Vargas and Mayorga would just be good fun for everyone involved.

dude, i was with you until you said that-

i can't stand "the tWink"... i hope he fights Pavlik and Kelly puts a glove through his face.

Then we just gotta agree to disagree because Jermain Taylor couldn't do it at 160 and I just don't see Margarito, who isn't as good a boxer or as strong, doing it at 147. Twink, though he may be, but a better defender you'd be hard-pressed to find.

this would just be (yet anther) classic case of "that's why they fight 'em."

[intoccabile]

Any version of Winky would embarrass Margarito and Vargas and Mayorga would just be good fun for everyone involved.

dude, i was with you until you said that-

i can't stand "the tWink"... i hope he fights Pavlik and Kelly puts a glove through his face.

The first time Margi fought a Shell was in Clottey who does't throw near as much as winky and isn't as durable. Winky is a pressure fighter from his shell, Clottey is a counter puncher from it. Which means margi gets hit more against winky than he did clottey and lands less. IMO, Winky easily beats Margi.

[intoccabile]

Stylistically this is everything both men want, but everything Shane shouldn't have any part of. One of the 4 "Big" welterweights (Margi, Cintron, Clottey, Williams) versus the smallest. Size alone turns this into a nightmare for the smaller Mosely.

Mosely is a brawler. A lot of people fail to see that. Mosely doesn't box from the outside or pick shots, mosely likes to bang. He's a great counter puncher but he does his best work when he's banging - all Margi does. How much of a Margi onslaught can shane take? And does shane really dish out more than cotto could?

Alot could go wrong here. In shanes favor he will utilise his clinch often, cotto only clinched twice in his fight with margi. Shane isn't a defensive wizzard. Infact, when on the retreat, Cottos defense is far superior than Shane. Shane will catch alot more leather than cotto did and will do so willingly. I don't see this ending pretty for Shane. (based on the shane we know and love.. very possible he comes to fight with a different plan on fight night though).

I do however, think this is a gorgeous match on paper because of their styles and this is going to be an incredible fight. What Shane shows up though? The shane who lets his hands go? Or the Shane who at times shies from throwing any punches and will literally stand in front of his opponent fending off pot shots.

This won't be a repeat of Cotto-Margarito. Cotto showed everyone what NOT to do against Margarito. Shane will use that as a blueprint and train particularly in the things Cotto didn't do. Remember: thought Mosley is a small welter, he's fought at JMW several times against bigger guys (Winky, Oscar, Vargas & Mayorga). Oscar has a much better pedigree than Margarito and the version who last fought Mosley would be Margarito. Any version of Winky would embarrass Margarito and Vargas and Mayorga would just be good fun for everyone involved.

This will be a beautiful fight.

Mosley WILL brawl. But he will do a whole lot of what Clottey was successful with against Margarito. Being first to the punch and landing combos at will. Margarito's work-rate will be stunted and midway through the fight to maybe the 9th round he will look a little gunshy because he will be getting popped before and after every punch. Shane has a little more wisdom than Cotto and he will clinch when he needs it. Look for him to have a high work-rate because he won't be touching any weights. This is all about speed and stamina and Mosley has never had a problem with either. Look for Margarito to start KO hunting in rounds 11 and 12. I wouldn't be surprised if Mosley gets knocked down twice.

Great points.. but I'm afraid your pointing out great things from a shane of yesteryear. If the Shane who fought Mayorga shows up, then what? Mayorga should have been a punching bag, that went 12 rounds before the KO.

In Shanes last fights we have had no idea which shane is showing up. He shows up against Vargas and hardly punches. Then he shows up in a rematch and punches. Shane at this stage of his career has gotten very gun shy during rounds.. Remember his second with with oscar? Not only did he not pull the trigger, he didn't even take the gun out of the holster.

If Shane shows up with this frame of mind which is very possible then there is a problem.

[Kirkland Laing]

Margarito UD. Maybe he even stops Mosley. Margarito takes a lot of punches but his skills are underrated and he's scarily relentless.

[zhubin]

Shane is the more skilled fighter...no question. And you can never discount a great champion with a great heart. That being said...Shane has gotten up there in age. I believe it will be a great fight...both guys will not back down...but i just think Margarito's relentless style will be too much for Shane AT THIS STAGE of his career. Win or lose...you have to give mad props to Mosely for taking this fight. A lot fighters at his age would look for easy bouts toward the end of their careers. But he is taking on the best fighters in the division.