OK just watched the fight

[CFH]

Mate after what Bernard did to Pavlic and considering how close their first fight was there would be a diffferent light on it than just the usual rematch. I wonder who most Americans would chose to put up against him next if they could?

I didn't think the fight was all that close really.

Hopkins whines like a little bitch when he loses any fight and he because his style is so ugly it prevents anyone from looking good even in victory his fans will claim a poor performance from the opponent as a win.

Apart from the first round knockdown Hopkins didn't do much at all imo.

Yes he negated most of what Calzaghe did too but Calzaghe was the only guy who was trying to win that fight. All Hopkins did was hold and spoil.

Maybe I should actually watch the fight myself , I was posting on hearsay in this case.

So it wasn't close as some say?

What was the reason some say Hopkins some say Joe then?

Was it the old scoring glances against scoring more power shots?
Thats a common one that splits the group,people scoring amature like shots that touch but have no effect or ones that are checked before landing or taken with a twist and a glove are still scored by many.

So did Hopkins get sent backwards at all?
Was it Joe comming forwards all night, or both of them even in attack and it came down to a shot count?

Sounds from your post like Bernard played it with a counter punchers moves but with spoilers arms and no hits.

That's exactly what is was. That, and Hopkins was moving backwards the whole fight. Calzaghe couldn't land sweet fuck all though, Hopkins was landing by far the better punches.

[Kev]

I have a hard job trying to see how Hopkins could have won.

For what it's worth here are the punch stats

CompuBox Final Stats: Bernard Hopkins vs. Joe Calzaghe

It was a close fight though and I can't disagree with those who say that Joe didn't wrest the title away from Hopkins as he was the only fighter who was hurt in the fight.

I've certainly seen worse decisions in boxing than it would have been to award Hopkins the win, but for me he won the fight.

I saw it as about as close as Mayweather Oscar with an additional point to Oscar for a knockdown. That would certainly leave it pretty close, 115/113 or something and if it would have gone to Hopkins Calzaghe would have been stretching it to say he was robbed blind.

At the end of the day though I truly think the right man won the fight.

I mean regardless of whether people preferred the more accurate shots of Hopkins the punchstats are clear that Calzaghe massively outlanded him and out worked him. He also controlled the whole fight, coming forward the whole time trying to make things happen.

Hopkins was awkward especially early but by the late rounds he was just holding and looking to spoil. I think it was the 10th when he claimed a dubious low blow and took the full 5 minutes to recover, then he tried again in the 11th but the ref was wise to it that time.

From about the 8th or 9th round he didn't try and win the fight, he just tried to spoil and prevent Joe from doing anything.

I personally think those kind of boxers deserve to lose close fights because they have a negative attitude but then I guess that's just me.

Look at Ishe Smith against Powell and Julio. Both fights he has a case for maybe doing enough, but he won't let his hands go and is so risk aversive that he gets outworked. Sure he does better work, but he does far less than the other guy overall.

That has been Hopkins problem in all 3 of his defeats in recent years.

[leggy]

OK sorry i'm late... just watched this knowing the result and the responses from you guys.

Showboating: love showboating and Jones was the biggest offender over his career so to me when people complain about that "clutching at straws" comes to mind.

to me it was Joe showing he could do it as no one else has... Jones started it with looking at ringside sticking his tonge out.

you live by the sword you die by the sword.

The Cut: bad cut and crap corner work, could have stopped the fight at round 8 for me but i think Jones was happy he finished the fight and would have been gutted if they stopped it. still didn't like seeing him take so much punishment to it in the last rounds, it was as sad as watching an old Ali getting hurt.

Jones got alot worse after the cut down to his vision which played a big factor in the one sidedness.

Roy Jones: Full of heart looked like he was gonna win it after round 1 and Joe having his face right in front of him could have been a massive mistake, found myself telling him to stop and i knew the result LOL.

Thanks for the memories Roy, full of class and heart you will be missed BIGTIME... I would still like to see him take a winable fight and go out on a win he deserves that.

Joe Calzaghe: Anothermasterclass was well impressed with him from round 2 onwards, He'll never get the respect he should till hes gone which is a shame but hey thats boxing.

Again thanks for the memories Joe, enjoy your retirement but i don't think that will be his last fight, too much money still to make.

The fight: loved it shame about the cut, but all in all good to watch up till the 8th.

HBO Skinny Guy: what a knob, mentioned that Joe was 45 and 0 even though he had just watched this 46th fight and will someone please tell that guy that it was Eubank down in the first and not Joe, he brings that up everytime now...shows a real lack of knowlage for someone in such a important position working for one of the top boxing showmakers in the world.

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thank you and good night... well done joe and jones

best post on the fight i have read so far from a mutual perspective

[Andre]

I have a hard job trying to see how Hopkins could have won.

For what it's worth here are the punch stats

CompuBox Final Stats: Bernard Hopkins vs. Joe Calzaghe

It was a close fight though and I can't disagree with those who say that Joe didn't wrest the title away from Hopkins as he was the only fighter who was hurt in the fight.

I've certainly seen worse decisions in boxing than it would have been to award Hopkins the win, but for me he won the fight.

I saw it as about as close as Mayweather Oscar with an additional point to Oscar for a knockdown. That would certainly leave it pretty close, 115/113 or something and if it would have gone to Hopkins Calzaghe would have been stretching it to say he was robbed blind.

At the end of the day though I truly think the right man won the fight.

I mean regardless of whether people preferred the more accurate shots of Hopkins the punchstats are clear that Calzaghe massively outlanded him and out worked him. He also controlled the whole fight, coming forward the whole time trying to make things happen.

Hopkins was awkward especially early but by the late rounds he was just holding and looking to spoil. I think it was the 10th when he claimed a dubious low blow and took the full 5 minutes to recover, then he tried again in the 11th but the ref was wise to it that time.

From about the 8th or 9th round he didn't try and win the fight, he just tried to spoil and prevent Joe from doing anything.

I personally think those kind of boxers deserve to lose close fights because they have a negative attitude but then I guess that's just me.

Look at Ishe Smith against Powell and Julio. Both fights he has a case for maybe doing enough, but he won't let his hands go and is so risk aversive that he gets outworked. Sure he does better work, but he does far less than the other guy overall.

That has been Hopkins problem in all 3 of his defeats in recent years.

Well you've sold me,
What you say and the stats seem to point out that Joe did twice the work even if the shots wern't as telling as Bernards.

[intoccabile]

I honestly don't know how anyone can be impressed with Joe or give him credit for this win. Not saying Joe isn't great - but this isn't the win that would give him that status.

What exactly did Roy do that made you impressed with Joe?

[bambamdaddio]

Brilliant assessment saddo ... I saw it all pretty much as you saw it and there is nothing really I could add..

[Conrad]

I haven't watched the fight again since Saturday but at the time I did feel a little disappointed.

Not disappointed with Calzaghe but with Jones himself. I really believed from the 24/7 shows and the build up that RJJ was more pumped for this fight and in better shape than he had been for years.

Yet it was if he didn't even try against JC, every time Joe dropped his guard and hung his head Roy never tried to land. I've never been a fan of showboating and I felt Joe took it too far even if it was RJJ who he was doing it against.

All that said Calzaghe beat him easily and convincingly and whether you like him or not you can't argue with that.

[ICB]

I have a hard job trying to see how Hopkins could have won.

For what it's worth here are the punch stats

CompuBox Final Stats: Bernard Hopkins vs. Joe Calzaghe

It was a close fight though and I can't disagree with those who say that Joe didn't wrest the title away from Hopkins as he was the only fighter who was hurt in the fight.

I've certainly seen worse decisions in boxing than it would have been to award Hopkins the win, but for me he won the fight.

I saw it as about as close as Mayweather Oscar with an additional point to Oscar for a knockdown. That would certainly leave it pretty close, 115/113 or something and if it would have gone to Hopkins Calzaghe would have been stretching it to say he was robbed blind.

At the end of the day though I truly think the right man won the fight.

I mean regardless of whether people preferred the more accurate shots of Hopkins the punchstats are clear that Calzaghe massively outlanded him and out worked him. He also controlled the whole fight, coming forward the whole time trying to make things happen.

Hopkins was awkward especially early but by the late rounds he was just holding and looking to spoil. I think it was the 10th when he claimed a dubious low blow and took the full 5 minutes to recover, then he tried again in the 11th but the ref was wise to it that time.

From about the 8th or 9th round he didn't try and win the fight, he just tried to spoil and prevent Joe from doing anything.

I personally think those kind of boxers deserve to lose close fights because they have a negative attitude but then I guess that's just me.

Look at Ishe Smith against Powell and Julio. Both fights he has a case for maybe doing enough, but he won't let his hands go and is so risk aversive that he gets outworked. Sure he does better work, but he does far less than the other guy overall.

That has been Hopkins problem in all 3 of his defeats in recent years.

Well you've sold me,
What you say and the stats seem to point out that Joe did twice the work even if the shots wern't as telling as Bernards.

Well according to the punchstats regarding James Toney vs Samuel Peter 1, Samuel Peter landed 100 more punches and threw 100 more punches than James Toney. Yet everyone consider's that a robbery, so i guess the punchstats tell the whole story regarding that fight ?

No they don't and they don't tell the how whole story regarding, Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins either. If anyone actually believes Joe Calzaghe landed 187 punches they've got to be having a laugh. Punchstats are misleading and inaccurate, and Joe Calzaghe didn't land as many punches as he was credited with.

[CFH]

I have a hard job trying to see how Hopkins could have won.

For what it's worth here are the punch stats

CompuBox Final Stats: Bernard Hopkins vs. Joe Calzaghe

It was a close fight though and I can't disagree with those who say that Joe didn't wrest the title away from Hopkins as he was the only fighter who was hurt in the fight.

I've certainly seen worse decisions in boxing than it would have been to award Hopkins the win, but for me he won the fight.

I saw it as about as close as Mayweather Oscar with an additional point to Oscar for a knockdown. That would certainly leave it pretty close, 115/113 or something and if it would have gone to Hopkins Calzaghe would have been stretching it to say he was robbed blind.

At the end of the day though I truly think the right man won the fight.

I mean regardless of whether people preferred the more accurate shots of Hopkins the punchstats are clear that Calzaghe massively outlanded him and out worked him. He also controlled the whole fight, coming forward the whole time trying to make things happen.

Hopkins was awkward especially early but by the late rounds he was just holding and looking to spoil. I think it was the 10th when he claimed a dubious low blow and took the full 5 minutes to recover, then he tried again in the 11th but the ref was wise to it that time.

From about the 8th or 9th round he didn't try and win the fight, he just tried to spoil and prevent Joe from doing anything.

I personally think those kind of boxers deserve to lose close fights because they have a negative attitude but then I guess that's just me.

Look at Ishe Smith against Powell and Julio. Both fights he has a case for maybe doing enough, but he won't let his hands go and is so risk aversive that he gets outworked. Sure he does better work, but he does far less than the other guy overall.

That has been Hopkins problem in all 3 of his defeats in recent years.

Well you've sold me,
What you say and the stats seem to point out that Joe did twice the work even if the shots wern't as telling as Bernards.

Well according to the punchstats regarding James Toney vs Samuel Peter 1, Samuel Peter landed 100 more punches and threw 100 more punches than James Toney. Yet everyone consider's that a robbery, so i guess the punchstats tell the whole story regarding that fight ?

No they don't and they don't tell the how whole story regarding, Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins either. If anyone actually believes Joe Calzaghe landed 187 punches they've got to be having a laugh. Punchstats are misleading and inaccurate, and Joe Calzaghe didn't land as many punches as he was credited with.

I'd honestly be surprised if Calzaghe landed 100 punches.

[ICB]

Well you've sold me,
What you say and the stats seem to point out that Joe did twice the work even if the shots wern't as telling as Bernards.

Well according to the punchstats regarding James Toney vs Samuel Peter 1, Samuel Peter landed 100 more punches and threw 100 more punches than James Toney. Yet everyone consider's that a robbery, so i guess the punchstats tell the whole story regarding that fight ?

No they don't and they don't tell the how whole story regarding, Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins either. If anyone actually believes Joe Calzaghe landed 187 punches they've got to be having a laugh. Punchstats are misleading and inaccurate, and Joe Calzaghe didn't land as many punches as he was credited with.

I'd honestly be surprised if Calzaghe landed 100 punches.

I meant to say 187 power punches there made a typo.

[Memphis]

I thought the fight for a while was a real spectical. Round three I think where they both finished hands down swinging and slipping, magic.

Jones was unlucking in the respect that Calzaghe gets ten seconds to recover from a knockdown, he needs a fraction of that time. Against others Jones might have been on the verge of something spectacular.

Jones was also fortunate that Calzaghe cant clump anymore, if he could it would have been another bad KO loss for Jones.

I started to feel sad watching it towards the end, Jones was getting hit at will, badly cut (what the fuck were they doing) and I wanted it stopped. Thankfully I think Joe also decided at about the same time as Jones did that it was going the distance. Jones just wanted to finish the fight and Joe I think was happy to oblige.

Great night, great event, great fighters.

[Bomp]

I thought the fight for a while was a real spectical. Round three I think where they both finished hands down swinging and slipping, magic.

Jones was unlucking in the respect that Calzaghe gets ten seconds to recover from a knockdown, he needs a fraction of that time. Against others Jones might have been on the verge of something spectacular.

Jones was also fortunate that Calzaghe cant clump anymore, if he could it would have been another bad KO loss for Jones.

I started to feel sad watching it towards the end, Jones was getting hit at will, badly cut (what the fuck were they doing) and I wanted it stopped. Thankfully I think Joe also decided at about the same time as Jones did that it was going the distance. Jones just wanted to finish the fight and Joe I think was happy to oblige.

Great night, great event, great fighters.

It did seem a good spectacle for 5 rounds, everyone at the pub was excited and it seemed to go in the way of a classic fight. We thought Joe was showboating early to kind of show the judges that he was comfortable in there, worried that Jones might be stealing the rounds with his showboating. But it became apparent by the 6th that he was actually almost in contempt, and looked a bit daft doing it.

[yvonne]

Did anyone notice the extra 10-15 seconds during the fight??I think it was round 8.I seen the clock in the background outside the ring count down to zero and their were still fighting for a extra 10-15!!Did anyone notice it?

[Fenster]

I don't think Calzaghe's showboating was excessive at all. Some of it came after he was caught with a solid shot, he was basically showing "you can't hurt me" after the first round blip.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Anyone complaining about Joe's showboating but thinks nothing of Roy spending an entire career doing it is a hypocrite.

Having said that - i felt sad for Roy too. Maybe in a funny way the cut SAVED him from getting stopped. I'm glad he finished the fight in the end.

[Tysonbruno]

Yes it looks like you only have to land punches on gloves and arms now to score points and count as punches landed.