Calzaghe ducked the best?

[Fenster]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

Just use the Hopkins doubling his purse from 3 to 6 million argument. Calzaghe tried to make the fight but he wasn't interested. Nothing you can do if the other guy doesn't want to fight you.

Anyway, as sonny said, Calzaghe was a nobody back then. Roy could fight far easier guys for probably the same money he would have got for Calzaghe. So why fight him?

BHOP probably didn't want to move up to SMW to fight a nobody. Why bother? Middleweight was the better division. BUt when the time came BHOP was ready to fight. The irony for BHOP is, back in the day his superiority over Calzaghe would be definite, IMO.

Don't think so. There were no names at middleweight either. It took Trinidad moving up to give Hopkins a BIG NAME fight. After that (which is when the Calzaghe offer was made) he fought no-names like Hakkar, and Robert Allen for the 50th time, before little Oscar obliged him with a big payday.

BOTH are probably very pleased the way things turned out (the fight not happening in 2002). When they finally fought they were both much bigger names.. earning much more dough

[ICB]

Fenster is right the Middleweight division at that time, was no real better than the Super Middleweight division.

Its a shame Bernard Hopkins couldn't get fights with some of the best Middleweights of the early 90s like Mike McCallum, James Toney, Julian Jackson, Gerald McClellan, Steve Collins.

I think Bernard Hopkins missed out on a great opportunity with all those names. But then again maybe not because i don't think a raw Bernard Hopkins could beat James Toney, Mike McCallum, Julian Jackson, Gerald McClellan. And even Steve Collins would be a very rough night for him.

[donnydarkoIRL]

The only instance I can perceive for talking about what a fighter didn't do was in the case of Salvador Sanchez.

In the case of Joe Calzaghe, he had a full career, why talk about what he didn't, should have or could have done?

[Dark Lord Al]

The only instance I can perceive for talking about what a fighter didn't do was in the case of Salvador Sanchez.

In the case of Joe Calzaghe, he had a full career, why talk about what he didn't, should have or could have done?

Well said Alan

[CGM]

Just use the Hopkins doubling his purse from 3 to 6 million argument. Calzaghe tried to make the fight but he wasn't interested. Nothing you can do if the other guy doesn't want to fight you.

Anyway, as sonny said, Calzaghe was a nobody back then. Roy could fight far easier guys for probably the same money he would have got for Calzaghe. So why fight him?

BHOP probably didn't want to move up to SMW to fight a nobody. Why bother? Middleweight was the better division. BUt when the time came BHOP was ready to fight. The irony for BHOP is, back in the day his superiority over Calzaghe would be definite, IMO.

Don't think so. There were no names at middleweight either. It took Trinidad moving up to give Hopkins a BIG NAME fight. After that (which is when the Calzaghe offer was made) he fought no-names like Hakkar, and Robert Allen for the 50th time, before little Oscar obliged him with a big payday.

BOTH are probably very pleased the way things turned out (the fight not happening in 2002). When they finally fought they were both much bigger names.. earning much more dough

OK, fair enough. But the point remains that there was little motivation to move up to SMW. Better to stick around and unite MW.

IMO the Hopkins of ten years ago was a much better fighter than he is now, he had better physical tools, and more than enough savvy to take out calzaghe. Waiting all this time tended to equalize the two, and maybe tip a bit in Calzaghe's favour.

[Mar]

Calzaghe i don't belive has "ducked" anyone, he may not have necessarily fought the people we wanted to see him fight in the right decade....but he's pretty bad ass at what he does. I do belive his time has passed and missed out on the respect and fame he wants especially from people in the states but hey we're talking about him aren't we there are tons of fighters he in the states who we aren't. Joe imo isn't going to get the opportunity to prove how good he is but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad fighter or ducker punk whatever you want to call him. If i were him i'd retire and leave the young guys alone, he could win, but if he lost ......

[Mikkel_K]

Don't think so. There were no names at middleweight either. It took Trinidad moving up to give Hopkins a BIG NAME fight. After that (which is when the Calzaghe offer was made) he fought no-names like Hakkar, and Robert Allen for the 50th time, before little Oscar obliged him with a big payday.

It should be said to B-Hop's defence that little Oscar provided something like ten million reasons for him to stay at 160.

That the money werent right for the risk it brought, doesnt mean Hopkins was scared. Same goes for Joe not coming to the States earlier.

[Dark Lord Al]

I dont think Calzaghe intended to duck people , i just dont think he tried hard enough to get those fights , sure offers were made , but look , if Calzaghe had given up the WBOJOKE strap , and fought to NUMBER 1 contender status for say RJJ , or whoever , then he would have got the fight.
Maybe Calzaghe regrets not fighting these guys in their primes , its a part of boxing that i hate , Sven Ottke and Calzaghe both so called unbeaten world champions , in the same division , and never fought, ( not that its all Calzaghe's fault ) it is just bullshit when the best in divisions dont fight.
Basically boxing politics are total bullshit as we are all well aware of.
We shouldnt be left guessing who beats who , we should see it happen !!!
Solution is simple - 1 champion per division.

[Fenster]

Don't think so. There were no names at middleweight either. It took Trinidad moving up to give Hopkins a BIG NAME fight. After that (which is when the Calzaghe offer was made) he fought no-names like Hakkar, and Robert Allen for the 50th time, before little Oscar obliged him with a big payday.

It should be said to B-Hop's defence that little Oscar provided something like ten million reasons for him to stay at 160.

That the money werent right for the risk it brought, doesnt mean Hopkins was scared. Same goes for Joe not coming to the States earlier.

Hang on.. Hopkins doesn't need a defence from anything ive said. Nothing has been dispariging towards him.

Imagine Hopkins had the choice (obviously he didn't) .. either fight Oscar for 10m or fight Calzaghe for say 5m.. that can't even be seriously considered, not for a minute, second, nanosecond

[bambamdaddio]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

Just use the Hopkins doubling his purse from 3 to 6 million argument. Calzaghe tried to make the fight but he wasn't interested. Nothing you can do if the other guy doesn't want to fight you.

Anyway, as sonny said, Calzaghe was a nobody back then. Roy could fight far easier guys for probably the same money he would have got for Calzaghe. So why fight him?

Brilliantly simple & accurate post that answers the question asked .......

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[ono]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

Just use the Hopkins doubling his purse from 3 to 6 million argument. Calzaghe tried to make the fight but he wasn't interested. Nothing you can do if the other guy doesn't want to fight you.

Anyway, as sonny said, Calzaghe was a nobody back then. Roy could fight far easier guys for probably the same money he would have got for Calzaghe. So why fight him?

Yeah that's true. Hopkins agreed and then changed his mind, demanding double.

He might not have always fought the best in their prime but it wasn't just his fault.

[SEANIE]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

RJJ wouldnt leave america after what happened in the olympics and as for Hopkins he took 3 attempts to win the middleweight title and defended against blown up welterweights.

Calzaghe's beaten everyone he's boxed. Something RJJ or bhop have not.

Theres no point to this thread.

CALZAGHES the man

[mrodub]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

RJJ wouldnt leave america after what happened in the olympics and as for Hopkins he took 3 attempts to win the middleweight title and defended against blown up welterweights.

Calzaghe's beaten everyone he's boxed. Something RJJ or bhop have not.

Theres no point to this thread.

CALZAGHES the man

The point to this thread was not to determine weather calzaghe is the man nor was it a comparison to b hop or RJJ, it was to help settle a debate and get people opinions on weather he should have gone to the states earlier or not, so if you feel there is no point to the thread dont read it then ok

[Violent Demise]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie

[Kirkland Laing]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie

These aren't facts, they're just your opinion, and why should we listen to somebody who's continually wrong about Calzaghe? You told us Kessler was going to beat him. You told us Hopkins was going to beat him and acted like a little kid after Joe won, claiming Hopkins won the fight. Then you told us Jones was going to knock him out.