
Originally Posted by
Fenster

Originally Posted by
ICB
And Joe Calzaghe wasn't fighting lesser opposition back then aswell ?
Glen Johnson was 32-0 quality fighter, Bernard Hopkins fought like a mad man and stopped him with sheer workrate/skill.
Antwun Echols was also massive puncher who beat two of Joe Calzaghe's opponents. Charles Brewer/Kabary Salem. Bernard Hopkins again beat Antwun Echols with sheer workrate/skill x2.
I don't know why your even trying to debate this, it seems like anytime i comment on a Joe Calzaghe thread. You look to pick up on anything i say just to force a debate.
Bernard Hopkins was described by boxing experts. To be like the modern day version of Marvin Hagler, because of the way he used to attack his opponents.
And anyone who has seen his early fights would know this aswell. He only stopped being aggressive in the last 5 years or so, because of his age he obviously had to change his style.
So people are not allowed to post an opposing view to yours? Debate is what keeps the forum going
Anyone thats seen his early fights will KNOW, as you just proved, he was beating far LESSER fighters. How come his AGE didn't stop him fighting more aggressive against Pavlik?
To say he had "unbelievable workrate" is WAY over the top. What happened to that "unbelievable workrate" against Roy Jones?

No its just i feel you try and pick me up on any little thing i say regarding Joe Calzaghe, i do enjoy a debate with you, but when its regarding Joe Calzaghe. I just feel you pick me up on any little thing just to force a debate.
No offense but thats how i feel about it. Then it ends up being a stupid 10 page debate. Thats why i try to avoid Joe Calzaghe threads lately. And alot of Joe Calzaghe fans do this aswell IMO.
Your trying to question Bernard Hopkins stamina so you have already lost the debate, before it even started.
When i meant his early fights, i didn't just mean before his championship fights, and i gave you examples against Antwun Echols x2, Glen Johnson, which were championship fights. And they were both quality fighters were they not ?
Especially when i watched the Glen Johnson fight, it reminded me of a Marvin Hagler performance. Non stop aggression every round you have to have great stamina to keep that kind of pace up.
He wasn't aggresive against Kelly Pavlik, he picked his shots and fought at a steady pace. Kelly Pavlik wasn't able to get his workrate going to force Bernard Hopkins to fight, because of Bernard Hopkins superb movement and boxing skills.
As for RJJ are you being serious with that comment Fenster ? RJJ had amazing speed in his prime. it would be hard for any boxer to get there workrate going against a prime RJJ.
And when they tried they were caught with hurtful counter shots, which quickly stopped them being aggressive. RJJ had too much speed and countered to quick/hard for mostly any boxer in history to get there workrate going, he also moved too well.
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