Prospects you wish would have been great

[CutMeMick]

Excuse me for being picky but most of the names listed were not prospects they were more contenders.

For me I would have to say Francisco "Panchito" Bojado.

[Violent Demise]

Marshall Martinez. I met this guy. And was present at his pro debut. Had good skills but couldn't leave the streets behind. Was the other guy who got busted with Ricardo Williams in that drug arrest and went to prison. Got out recently and has resume his career. But it's going to be a long road back. Lacks the work ethic of his cousin Steven Luevano

[Spicoli]

When I first saw Marc johnson....thought he was a long lasting force.Did pretty well in career though,as had many guys listed here,but ultimatly was plauged with personal difficulties,did not shy away from unnecessary shoot outs and chin was a bit shaky.Surerb fighter though.

Zack Padilla...again,one that DID reach Championship stature but career cut short while on a top notch run.

[Trainer Monkey]

Goofi Whitaker
Ernie Shavers
Marvis Frazier
Angel Manfreddy
Tim Witherspoon

All guys who you thought could be one of the greats coming up,all did not

Angel Manfredy ? Marvis Frazier ? are you frigging kidding me ? and as for Earnie Shavers he couldn't of done any better. He simply was in the strongest era in Heavyweight history.

And he fell short although he had a few big wins, he simply always fell short against a majority of the top boys, and thats because he had very suspect stamina, and at times a shaky chin.

Manfredy fought Mayweather,beat Gatti,and Rodriguez,wasted Calvin Grove
Frazier fought both Tyson and Holmes,was the US Amateur champion,beat Bonecrusher Smith,Quick Tillis,and Joe Bugner
So Id reverse the question,are you freaking kidding me?

[ICB]

Goofi Whitaker
Ernie Shavers
Marvis Frazier
Angel Manfreddy
Tim Witherspoon

All guys who you thought could be one of the greats coming up,all did not

Angel Manfredy ? Marvis Frazier ? are you frigging kidding me ? and as for Earnie Shavers he couldn't of done any better. He simply was in the strongest era in Heavyweight history.

And he fell short although he had a few big wins, he simply always fell short against a majority of the top boys, and thats because he had very suspect stamina, and at times a shaky chin.

Manfredy fought Mayweather,beat Gatti,and Rodriguez,wasted Calvin Grove
Frazier fought both Tyson and Holmes,was the US Amateur champion,beat Bonecrusher Smith,Quick Tillis,and Joe Bugner
So Id reverse the question,are you freaking kidding me?

Marvis Frazier was destroyed in less than a round by Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, so how does that help your arguement ? James Tillis was a journeyman with good footwork but never the less a journeyman.

Joe Bugner was far removed from his prime, and despite a good performance against Joe Frazier he never impressed me, and he was always way too cautious which cost him in alot of fights. James Smith had good power but again his skill-set was nowhere to be seen.

And lastly Angel Manfredy i agree wasn't a bad fighter, and he had a few good wins but he was destroyed by Floyd Mayweather, Diego Corrales but again. When did Angel Manfredy, Marvis Frazier, ever show greatness ? and when did these fighters ever show they could of been the best at there weightclasses ?

I mean i can understand Tim Witherspon on your list, he did have very good skills and could of gone down as one of the greatest Heavyweights of his era. And he did show greatness in a few of his fights before Don King ruined him.

Do you see what im getting now ? IMO this thread was supposed to be about fighters who did show great ability, but never achieved there full potiental. Guys like Marvis Frazier, Angel Manfredy, don't fit this category, even if you did like them as fighters.

[hardcore_crash]

Ricardo Mayorga.
I wish he would have dedicated himself more than he did.

[Trainer Monkey]

Angel Manfredy ? Marvis Frazier ? are you frigging kidding me ? and as for Earnie Shavers he couldn't of done any better. He simply was in the strongest era in Heavyweight history.

And he fell short although he had a few big wins, he simply always fell short against a majority of the top boys, and thats because he had very suspect stamina, and at times a shaky chin.

Manfredy fought Mayweather,beat Gatti,and Rodriguez,wasted Calvin Grove
Frazier fought both Tyson and Holmes,was the US Amateur champion,beat Bonecrusher Smith,Quick Tillis,and Joe Bugner
So Id reverse the question,are you freaking kidding me?

Marvis Frazier was destroyed in less than a round by Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, so how does that help your arguement ? James Tillis was a journeyman with good footwork but never the less a journeyman.

Joe Bugner was far removed from his prime, and despite a good performance against Joe Frazier he never impressed me, and he was always way too cautious which cost him in alot of fights. James Smith had good power but again his skill-set was nowhere to be seen.

And lastly Angel Manfredy i agree wasn't a bad fighter, and he had a few good wins but he was destroyed by Floyd Mayweather, Diego Corrales but again. When did Angel Manfredy, Marvis Frazier, ever show greatness ? and when did these fighters ever show they could of been the best at there weightclasses ?

I mean i can understand Tim Witherspon on your list, he did have very good skills and could of gone down as one of the greatest Heavyweights of his era. And he did show greatness in a few of his fights before Don King ruined him.

Do you see what im getting now ? IMO this thread was supposed to be about fighters who did show great ability, but never achieved there full potiental. Guys like Marvis Frazier, Angel Manfredy, don't fit this category, even if you did like them as fighters.

Did you get the original question,it was about PROSPECTS,that means someone that looked good early and then FAILED
Like Marvis Frazier,who was underweight and got screwed up trying to turn him in to a slugger,or Manfredy,who allways seemed on the verge of a nervous breakdown,but had skills early on.
Again go back to the original question,a PROSPECT who could have been great

[ICB]

i was thinking about how many prospects look like they'll be a force to be reckoned with, but then either end up losing to not so great opposition or never end up being as good as you had hoped or thought they'd be, my personal pick is Fernando Vargas, many people are quick to say he was overrated, when honestly i say it was wrecked due to bad managing, the guy had it all, power, good boxing ability, heart, took risks (sometimes too many), was willing to fight everyone, and also could sell a fight easily. was wonderin if you guys could share your picks

But even if Fernando Vargas had been allowed to develop a bit more, could he have honestly ever have beaten ODLH, Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley ?

I mean i understand what your saying and i agree somewhat, and he did impress me in his early fights especially against Winky Wright, but the point im making i don't think he could have ever have beaten the fighters i mentioned above.

[ElTerribleMorales]

i was thinking about how many prospects look like they'll be a force to be reckoned with, but then either end up losing to not so great opposition or never end up being as good as you had hoped or thought they'd be, my personal pick is Fernando Vargas, many people are quick to say he was overrated, when honestly i say it was wrecked due to bad managing, the guy had it all, power, good boxing ability, heart, took risks (sometimes too many), was willing to fight everyone, and also could sell a fight easily. was wonderin if you guys could share your picks

But even if Fernando Vargas had been allowed to develop a bit more, could he have honestly ever have beaten ODLH, Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley ?

I mean i understand what your saying and i agree somewhat, and he did impress me in his early fights especially against Winky Wright, but the point im making i don't think he could have ever have beaten the fighters i mentioned above.

honestly, yes i do think he would have been able to beat them all, i mean he just needed to rack up more experience, and one thing i noticed re-watching Vargas' career is that after each loss a little bit more of him was gone, and i don't think it was as much physical as it was mental, i mean i know he has back probs, but i look at it this way, relatively un-experienced big fights and they throw him in against Trinidad, he gets dropped twice in the first round, yet gives him hell from there on out until getting stopped in the final round, if he was a bit more experienced he wouldn't of fallen into that trap and well get caught so easily, i think he would have been able to outbox Trinidad for the decision, and the DLH fight would have been the closest of the 3, cause honestly one eyed and i had him ahead in the Mosley fight, rematch well he gave a half assed effort IMO

[SaltyBacon]

mike anchondo before i was a big fan i use to beat every body with him on fight night then he went to espn and ktfo twice

also still a fan jeff lacy
jimrex jaca gave a hard time to jmm but has no chin

[Spicoli]

Anyone remember Angel Vasquez at feather/spr feather?Kid was supposed to be the next big thing with power,ranked in the top ten by all bodies and talked about for a shot at Hamed??Ran into perennial title challenger Victor Polo for an title eliminator dec. loss....followed by a KO defeat at the hands of a Ivan Valle........then quit?

What about Lamar Parks?Had some nice skills but everything was cut short after Johnson schooled him and 'health issues' I thought he would be around as champ.

[Violent Demise]

Anyone remember Angel Vasquez at feather/spr feather?Kid was supposed to be the next big thing with power,ranked in the top ten by all bodies and talked about for a shot at Hamed??Ran into perennial title challenger Victor Polo for an title eliminator dec. loss....followed by a KO defeat at the hands of a Ivan Valle........then quit?

What about Lamar Parks?Had some nice skills but everything was cut short after Johnson schooled him and 'health issues' I thought he would be around as champ.

I remember Vazquez. His fight with Valle was on ESPN I think. He got dropped and didn't even try and get up. Just stood on his knees. Never fought again. Thing with Vazquez was he was like 34 years old. I don't think his heart was really into Boxing any more after losing to Polo. I think he taught it was to long a road back at his age.

[Trainer Monkey]

Anyone remember Angel Vasquez at feather/spr feather?Kid was supposed to be the next big thing with power,ranked in the top ten by all bodies and talked about for a shot at Hamed??Ran into perennial title challenger Victor Polo for an title eliminator dec. loss....followed by a KO defeat at the hands of a Ivan Valle........then quit?

What about Lamar Parks?Had some nice skills but everything was cut short after Johnson schooled him and 'health issues' I thought he would be around as champ.

Those health issues,turned out to be HIV