Calzaghe-Hagler?

[Preme]

Marvin had a great sun as middlweight champ, but i don't think he was a great skilled fighter... some what of a magarito type fighter - his chin allowed him to fight his fight and force the guy onto the back foot and break them down.

When he fought truly skilled fighter like Ray and duran, even though they were MUCH MUCH smaller than him, look at the trouble he had... i mean true great natural middleweight should not get beat by a normal sized Welter, no matter how skilled they are, let alone one who had been so inactive... and duran, best @ lightweight... almost beat marvin...

of course being such a "fan boy" i am going to pick Joe... early on it could be 50/50 if joe fought a bit silly... but even if that was the case, take the kessler fight, he knows how to adapt and fight right, he has always done it so i see no reason for him not to do it if this fictious fight happened...

marvin was pretty easy to work, two steps into every move, good fighters can see it coming and know what he was going, he didn't has a great array of punches either, it was just non stop pressure backed up by that rock solid chin of his.

[ross]

Completely bogus statement,Hagler was too short to move up

Really?

Hagler was 5,9 and a half whereas Roberto Duran who started out as a light weight and gave Hagler one of his hardest fights is only 5,7"

Look at Pacquiao

Making excuses for Hagler

[Taeth]

I think people are letting their ATG p4p list ranking fool them. Calzaghe is a really good figher, who would be competitive with any of the four even likely p4p. People also forget that Calzaghe doesn't spar when he trains, so that would give him a higher tendency to go down in the early rounds. If Hagler could truly hurt Calzaghe, then I think he could win, but I don't see him hurting Calzaghe besides maybe once early, but we've seen how Calzaghe deals with those situations. I think these two are both built of the same clothe in many ways, both are unorthodox southpaws who are undeniably effective, they both like to impose their will, they both can box or fight, they both are better offensively than defensively. They both have that "hardness" to them that makes them so effective.

[Trainer Monkey]

Completely bogus statement,Hagler was too short to move up

Really?

Hagler was 5,9 and a half whereas Roberto Duran who started out as a light weight and gave Hagler one of his hardest fights is only 5,7"

Look at Pacquiao

Making excuses for Hagler

Duran by the time he was done moving up in weight,looked like he ate Duran

[ross]

He did move up though now didnt he you silly boy

On top of that he beat probably the Eighties best fighter, Ray leonard.

Durrrrr!!!

Hagler couldve moved up in weight but didnt, Joe could have and did, alot of fighters have and been very successfull, Marvin was happy enough taking on smaller fighters and then retired like a spoilt brat when one beat him

[JazMerkin]

He did move up though now didnt he you silly boy

On top of that he beat probably the Eighties best fighter, Ray leonard.

Durrrrr!!!

Hagler couldve moved up in weight but didnt, Joe could have and did, alot of fighters have and been very successfull, Marvin was happy enough taking on smaller fighters and then retired like a spoilt brat when one beat him

You've got to remember though that they didn't really have a proper SMW division then, & that fighters would have to jump up 2 divisions, so there is the possibility that had 168lbs division been there & had good fights that Hagler would have gone up towards the end of his career. Although I do agree he could've acted with a LOT more grace after SRL beat him

[ICB]

Marvin had a great sun as middlweight champ, but i don't think he was a great skilled fighter... some what of a magarito type fighter - his chin allowed him to fight his fight and force the guy onto the back foot and break them down.

When he fought truly skilled fighter like Ray and duran, even though they were MUCH MUCH smaller than him, look at the trouble he had... i mean true great natural middleweight should not get beat by a normal sized Welter, no matter how skilled they are, let alone one who had been so inactive... and duran, best @ lightweight... almost beat marvin...

of course being such a "fan boy" i am going to pick Joe... early on it could be 50/50 if joe fought a bit silly... but even if that was the case, take the kessler fight, he knows how to adapt and fight right, he has always done it so i see no reason for him not to do it if this fictious fight happened...

marvin was pretty easy to work, two steps into every move, good fighters can see it coming and know what he was going, he didn't has a great array of punches either, it was just non stop pressure backed up by that rock solid chin of his.

Stick to Joe Calzaghe you haven't got a clue about Marvin Hagler, do you realize he used to be a skilled counter puncher who used movement ? and that only in the last few years of his career did he fight more aggressively coming forward . And please do not compare Antonio Margarito/Marvin Hagler that is a ridiculous comment. Marvin Hagler even when he was pressuring was a very skilled fighter, who jabbed his way in. Cut off the ring and used a good variety of punches. And Roberto Duran almost beat Marvin Hagler ? stop looking at boxrec and boxing articles and actually watch the fight, its one of the most overrated close fights in history. Marvin Hagler was a clear winner in that fight, and considering Roberto Duran managed to win the Middleweight title off the huge Iran Barkley, i would say he was still very good at Middleweight. And as for SRL he was not a natural Welterweight IMO, and size wise SRL and Marvin Hagler are almost the same size, regarding height and weight, Marvin Hagler was never over the Middleweight limit only a few times, that means he was a natural Middleweight and couldn't move up really any higher. Lastly SRL only took the fight with Marvin Hagler because Marvin Hagler was a shot fighter and he had slowed down alot especially in his brutal war, with John Mugabi. And SRL demanded the bigger ring, the gloves, the ring size, the rounds, as a matter of fact had that fight been 15 rounds like it was scheduled to be at first, until SRL got it changed. SRL would of been stopped 100 percent.

[ICB]

He did move up though now didnt he you silly boy

On top of that he beat probably the Eighties best fighter, Ray leonard.

Durrrrr!!!

Hagler couldve moved up in weight but didnt, Joe could have and did, alot of fighters have and been very successfull, Marvin was happy enough taking on smaller fighters and then retired like a spoilt brat when one beat him

Super Middleweight division was made a proper division in 1984, now at that time. There was no big names at that weight class at all. So it would of been a waste of time moving up to that weight class, especially with all the big names at Middleweight. Lastly the only other move he could of made was move up to Light Heavyweight and he was clearly too small for that weight class, Ross you know nothing about boxing your an idiot.

[Taeth]

Marvin had a great sun as middlweight champ, but i don't think he was a great skilled fighter... some what of a magarito type fighter - his chin allowed him to fight his fight and force the guy onto the back foot and break them down.

When he fought truly skilled fighter like Ray and duran, even though they were MUCH MUCH smaller than him, look at the trouble he had... i mean true great natural middleweight should not get beat by a normal sized Welter, no matter how skilled they are, let alone one who had been so inactive... and duran, best @ lightweight... almost beat marvin...

of course being such a "fan boy" i am going to pick Joe... early on it could be 50/50 if joe fought a bit silly... but even if that was the case, take the kessler fight, he knows how to adapt and fight right, he has always done it so i see no reason for him not to do it if this fictious fight happened...

marvin was pretty easy to work, two steps into every move, good fighters can see it coming and know what he was going, he didn't has a great array of punches either, it was just non stop pressure backed up by that rock solid chin of his.

Stick to Joe Calzaghe you haven't got a clue about Marvin Hagler, do you realize he used to be a skilled counter puncher who used movement ? and that only in the last few years of his career did he fight more aggressively coming forward . And please do not compare Antonio Margarito/Marvin Hagler that is a ridiculous comment. Marvin Hagler even when he was pressuring was a very skilled fighter, who jabbed his way in. Cut off the ring and used a good variety of punches. And Roberto Duran almost beat Marvin Hagler ? stop looking at boxrec and boxing articles and actually watch the fight, its one of the most overrated close fights in history. Marvin Hagler was a clear winner in that fight, and considering Roberto Duran managed to win the Middleweight title off the huge Iran Barkley, i would say he was still very good at Middleweight. And as for SRL he was not a natural Welterweight IMO, and size wise SRL and Marvin Hagler are almost the same size, regarding height and weight, Marvin Hagler was never over the Middleweight limit only a few times, that means he was a natural Middleweight and couldn't move up really any higher. Lastly SRL only took the fight with Marvin Hagler because Marvin Hagler was a shot fighter and he had slowed down alot especially in his brutal war, with John Mugabi. And SRL demanded the bigger ring, the gloves, the ring size, the rounds, as a matter of fact had that fight been 15 rounds like it was scheduled to be at first, until SRL got it changed. SRL would of been stopped 100 percent.

ICB what hell are you talking about? Leonard was about 15 pounds lighter than Hagler come fight night, he looked way smaller, height hardly means size. Also just because a fighter is effective above their natural weight doesn't mean that is their natural weightclass. You also assume we know nothing of Hagler, he was a good boxer, but no way would he have outboxed Calzaghe. They both are underrated in that category, but the speed and height advantage has to play in Calzaghe's favor. Also the Duran-Hagler fight I've seen it probably 10 times, and it was a close fight until the end when Duran gassed out, but he was an old man by then and they had a rough fight, maybe you should be the one to watch the fight, because it was a close fight that Hagler clearly won. Also Leonard hadn't fought in three years in a weightclass he had never been in, Hagler should have clearly won despite the advantages in Leonard's favor, and Hagler was hardly the wreck of a fighter you make him out to be near the end of his career, he was 31 still had most of his speed, its just his level of opposition increased dramatically closer to the end of his career which made him look probably more like the fighter he actually was a tough fighter, with good boxing skills, but first and foremost was a pressure fighter who could punch and take a punch.

[ross]

He did move up though now didnt he you silly boy

On top of that he beat probably the Eighties best fighter, Ray leonard.

Durrrrr!!!

Hagler couldve moved up in weight but didnt, Joe could have and did, alot of fighters have and been very successfull, Marvin was happy enough taking on smaller fighters and then retired like a spoilt brat when one beat him

Super Middleweight division was made a proper division in 1984, now at that time. There was no big names at that weight class at all. So it would of been a waste of time moving up to that weight class, especially with all the big names at Middleweight. Lastly the only other move he could of made was move up to Light Heavyweight and he was clearly too small for that weight class, Ross you know nothing about boxing your an idiot.

Dont cry about it

Hagler wouldve eaten punches all night like Lacy did.

[OumaFan]

shouldn't there have been a grin or something at the end of that second line Ross?

[Taeth]

shouldn't there have been a grin or something at the end of that second line Ross?

Yeah, but there is no happy medium these days, some people are idolizing the past, others are ignorant to it.

[OumaFan]

I agree people put up guys from the past on a pedestal. I don't think Hagler would stop him.

He would be more precise with his punches though. Joe would throw more most likely. Depends on what a judge likes I guess.

[Taeth]

I don't know, You get Calzaghe throwing sloppy punches when he is doing anything to land like against Hopkins or he is able to land with everything like against Lacy, but when he fought Kessler, I was very impressed with how accurate and well schooled he was in his own way.

[RozzySean]

Thats right, Hagler never moved up and never wanted to, he was quite content to fight others who had the balls to move up and as much of a hard fight that Hagler had with Mugabi im sure Joe wouldnt have struggled.

Hagler plodded forward and wore people down, that wouldnt happen with Joe, especially since Joe would be naturally stronger as well.

First of all, moving up wasn't much of an option for Hagler since 168 didn't exist then and Spinks, a top 5 ATG LHW and a MUCH bigger man, was champion at 175. You've obviously never seen Hagler in his prime, 1978-1981. Hagler was past in by the Mugabi fight, and his style had degenerated at that point. As for his power, he KO'd everybody he defended against except Leonard and Duran.

That being said, Hagler had problems with movers and Calzaghe would present a stylistic problem for Hagler. I might favor Calzaghe in 12 rounds, but if you gave a prime Hagler 15 rounds to pound on Calzaghe, Marvin would break him down eventually.