The NBA....it used to be better

[El Kabong]

Tyler Hans is a fag for not playing for Missouri.

Whatever, he picked the right school.

And to think Kevin Garnett, Dwight Howard, and J.R. Smith were going to go to UNC had they not gone pro

[RP33]

Well #1 Kwame wasn't the first person to go to the NBA straight from High School and #2 He wasn't the first person to fail in doing so....that honor belongs to Bill Willoughby (19th overall pick of the 1975 NBA draft) and his career ended at age 26.

One of the issues I have/had with the NBA was when so many high schoolers were going pro when they needed to be more developed.

Even great players like Kobe, KG, Lebron, and T-Mac needed a little time to adjust to the NBA.

Players like Jermaine O'Neil, Danny Granger, Al Harrington, Rashard Lewis, etc. needed several years to develop.

Meanwhile there are even more guys who didn't make it AT ALL...does the name Korleone Young ring any bells

I think the better the NCAA players are then the better the NBA is...the more years you spend in college the more you develop talent (if you have a good coach) and the better you'll be in the NBA.

Let me put it this way Tyler Hansbrough stayed 4 years. He had the hustle and desire to maybe make an NBA team after his sophmore year but now he's better on defense, he can shoot from farther away, and he's just become an all-around better player....he won't set the world on fire when he makes it to the NBA but he's going to be a SOLID NBA player....he probably won't start very much throughout his career but the fundamentals he picked up from UNC will put him ahead of a lot of players who may have more physical tools than he does.

The NBA didn't just dilute their talent with expansion teams but with the bunches of high schoolers who came out to go pro. It was getting less like the true NBA and more like the And One All-Stars....a bunch of ball hogging, no defense playing, show boats....and hell I like flashy play and all but that selfish playing style does get old, especially when it hurts the fundamentals of the game.

you're right.. i was posting all day at work and was half paying attention.. originally i meant, who was the first #1 pick in the draft from high school to the NBA.. I just re-read everything and felt stupid.

there were plenty before kwame to go from high school to the nba.. tmac, kobe, KG etc..

my bad on that confusion..

tyler hansbrough will be a nobody in the NBA. Unless he develops a REALLY good mid-long range jumper, he will be ineffective.. He's a really strong player, physically, in college, but not in the NBA.. look at young guys who are sort of his stature that got drafted recently from college and play a similar role.. joakim noah, al horford maybe? horford is a beast and is doing well, but hansbrough is not as physical of a player as him even though they are similar in size.

I would say the NBA is a little bit more flashy then the old school fundamentals lately, but you're starting to blow it out of proportion.. There may be ball hogs and the like, here and there, but those aren't the teams that win championships.. Who are you kidding? That stuff is the least of the NBA worries, believe me. It's a business.. if you're not producing trying to showoff or what have you, you don't get paid.

[RP33]

Tyler Hans is a fag for not playing for Missouri.

Whatever, he picked the right school.

And to think Kevin Garnett, Dwight Howard, and J.R. Smith were going to go to UNC had they not gone pro

This is a topic that depends on a player to player basis.

While the majority of players who stop playing for their college team to make money in the NBA jump the gun, there are circumstances where it's the smart thing to do. If you have a huge year in college and the current draft class that will be entering the draft during the year isn't that talented, then you may want to enter the draft if you feel you will be a high #1 round pick.. It's all about the contracts and money..

Roy hibbert who had a great year for G'town in 2007 when they were in the final four had a lot of analysts saying he'd go high in the draft, but he elected to stay in college another year.. Unfortunately they didn't make it too far that year, which hurt his value in the draft. He still went in the first round but it was pretty clear he would've went higher the year before..

I'm not saying there is a right or wrong answer, but it all comes down to money..

[boozeboxer]

When you dont play ball for a team in your region of the country shows a character flaw in my opinion. Like people who don't like any animals.....I don't trust them.

[El Kabong]

you're right.. i was posting all day at work and was half paying attention.. originally i meant, who was the first #1 pick in the draft from high school to the NBA.. I just re-read everything and felt stupid.

there were plenty before kwame to go from high school to the nba.. tmac, kobe, KG etc..

my bad on that confusion..

tyler hansbrough will be a nobody in the NBA. Unless he develops a REALLY good mid-long range jumper, he will be ineffective.. He's a really strong player, physically, in college, but not in the NBA.. look at young guys who are sort of his stature that got drafted recently from college and play a similar role.. joakim noah, al horford maybe? horford is a beast and is doing well, but hansbrough is not as physical of a player as him even though they are similar in size.

I would say the NBA is a little bit more flashy then the old school fundamentals lately, but you're starting to blow it out of proportion.. There may be ball hogs and the like, here and there, but those aren't the teams that win championships.. Who are you kidding? That stuff is the least of the NBA worries, believe me. It's a business.. if you're not producing trying to showoff or what have you, you don't get paid.

It's cool, I was just confused about what you meant for a while.

Hansbrough won't be an All-Star but he's going to be a good role player. If Luke Walton, Troy Murphy, Brian Scalabrini et al can make it in the NBA then so can Psycho T. Hansbrough is an all-around player, he has just started developing his 3 point shot, he has a good normal range about 18-20 feet from the basket, he hits his free throws, he runs the floor extremely well, and he draws fouls like nobody's business. He has a good mid range jumper, but his ability to hit the natural 3-point play is unbelieveable

I don't mind flashy play AT ALL but the grandstanding and celebrating get to me. A couple of my all-time favorite players were flashy but they never gloated like today's athletes.

[El Kabong]

When you dont play ball for a team in your region of the country shows a character flaw in my opinion. Like people who don't like any animals.....I don't trust them.

That's bullcrap dude

[RP33]

When you dont play ball for a team in your region of the country shows a character flaw in my opinion. Like people who don't like any animals.....I don't trust them.

LOL.. good comparison..

seriously though, if PC and URI offered me a full ride to play for them.. along with Uconn, Syracuse, etc.. i'm obviously going to the school where i will get the most recognition if i am THAT good. Score 15-20 a game for PC? or 10-15 a game for a top 25 team? I choose the latter.

home is where the heart is.. but making decisions with your heart is normally a flawed decision

[boozeboxer]

When you dont play ball for a team in your region of the country shows a character flaw in my opinion. Like people who don't like any animals.....I don't trust them.

LOL.. good comparison..

seriously though, if PC and URI offered me a full ride to play for them.. along with Uconn, Syracuse, etc.. i'm obviously going to the school where i will get the most recognition if i am THAT good. Score 15-20 a game for PC? or 10-15 a game for a top 25 team? I choose the latter.

home is where the heart is.. but making decisions with your heart is normally a flawed decision

Mizzou would beat NC right now. Fact. Let that fag rot in hell for all I care. let his pasty white big nosed bitch ass live in chapel hill forever and play for the raptors when he gets done.

[El Kabong]

You think Mizzou can outrun the Heels?!?!?! That's just ridiculous....the Heels haven't been at full strength all season and they're still a #1 seed and they will still win the whole damn thing

[VictorCharlie]

If Lawson can't go I don't think they make it to the Final 4. If he can then they have to be the favorite

[RP33]

If Lawson can't go I don't think they make it to the Final 4. If he can then they have to be the favorite

Agree.. lawson is their best player.. I have Oklahoma taking them out in the elite 8.

[boozeboxer]

You think Mizzou can outrun the Heels?!?!?! That's just ridiculous....the Heels haven't been at full strength all season and they're still a #1 seed and they will still win the whole damn thing

Yes I think they could beat them, I was pretty drk when I wrote that.....but they def. could beat them.

[boozeboxer]

When you dont play ball for a team in your region of the country shows a character flaw in my opinion. Like people who don't like any animals.....I don't trust them.

LOL.. good comparison..

seriously though, if PC and URI offered me a full ride to play for them.. along with Uconn, Syracuse, etc.. i'm obviously going to the school where i will get the most recognition if i am THAT good. Score 15-20 a game for PC? or 10-15 a game for a top 25 team? I choose the latter.

home is where the heart is.. but making decisions with your heart is normally a flawed decision

If you are NBA quality you will get noticed with a good Big 12 or Big 10 school quite easily. Look at your friend playing for Oklahoma, is he not going to get drafted because he is playing in the Midwest.

[RP33]

When you dont play ball for a team in your region of the country shows a character flaw in my opinion. Like people who don't like any animals.....I don't trust them.

LOL.. good comparison..

seriously though, if PC and URI offered me a full ride to play for them.. along with Uconn, Syracuse, etc.. i'm obviously going to the school where i will get the most recognition if i am THAT good. Score 15-20 a game for PC? or 10-15 a game for a top 25 team? I choose the latter.

home is where the heart is.. but making decisions with your heart is normally a flawed decision

If you are NBA quality you will get noticed with a good Big 12 or Big 10 school quite easily. Look at your friend playing for Oklahoma, is he not going to get drafted because he is playing in the Midwest.

Read what i wrote again..

Doesn't matter where you play. Matters how good the team is and what you do for it. I mentioned all Big East teams (and URI which is A-10), and said i'd choose the top 25 team to play for over PC/URI which are schools in my home state. All in all, it of course depends on your individual performance, but i play enough ball to know that in most cases, the better the team around you is, the better you are.. As i said, you may not get as many points because of the talent around you sharing the baskets, but that goes along with it.

[boozeboxer]

LOL.. good comparison..

seriously though, if PC and URI offered me a full ride to play for them.. along with Uconn, Syracuse, etc.. i'm obviously going to the school where i will get the most recognition if i am THAT good. Score 15-20 a game for PC? or 10-15 a game for a top 25 team? I choose the latter.

home is where the heart is.. but making decisions with your heart is normally a flawed decision

If you are NBA quality you will get noticed with a good Big 12 or Big 10 school quite easily. Look at your friend playing for Oklahoma, is he not going to get drafted because he is playing in the Midwest.

Read what i wrote again..

Doesn't matter where you play. Matters how good the team is and what you do for it. I mentioned all Big East teams (and URI which is A-10), and said i'd choose the top 25 team to play for over PC/URI which are schools in my home state. All in all, it of course depends on your individual performance, but i play enough ball to know that in most cases, the better the team around you is, the better you are.. As i said, you may not get as many points because of the talent around you sharing the baskets, but that goes along with it.

Alright. THat is pretty sound reasoning.