Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps

[Kel]

I am going to write them Diane to urge the Commission for compassion and understanding for a first offense.

Yeah, afterall they were placed there by accident

Come on! You have to be pulling my pisser?

[CutMeMick]

Danny, booze I removed both posts because.
Well they were out of place.
Booze yours not so much but theirs no need for that here.

You guys want some time alone go to the other boards or meet up online through a web chat.

[blegit]

He and his trainer should be banned for life at the very least. This is not merely unsportsmanlike or just a violation. This is not merely cheating...this is CRIMINAL! Risking unsuspecting opponent's health and lives. If not incarcerated they should be banned for life.

[Big Dick Whittington]

It's pre meditaited , how can you accidently put plaster uder your wraps !
Magarito should never fight in the States again or anywhere else I just wish there was tighter restrictions on this kinda thing , he must've done this before !
Just sick ,it counts as an offensive weapon , before he has his liecense reinstated ( he will ) he should be made to do a lie detector and asked some serious questions
Nazim also pulled up Tito's old man before Tito fought Hopkins although that was more to do with how Tito had had his hands bandaged and illiegal use of tape,but plaster ?
Tito Blew out the normally durable French Algerian 'Hacine Cherifi in 4 and was the 1st to stop Mayorga after that whilst having his throroughly inspected.
Be interesting to see how effective Magarito is coming back , he'll probably comeback as a middleweight fight somebody his own size and get exposed .

[XaduBoxer]

Clearly,we need more Pacquiao threads

I'm totally confused here... Sometime ago you blasted those who keeps on starting PAC threads... Now you're asking for more PAC threads...

[Mr140]

Well if were going to say he used in the Cotto fight then guess we got to assume that its been used in Clotty and Willaims as well. So the question i have is how dangrous is the substance and how much more does it add. How much was used in the gloves because it had exterme effect on Cotto but not so much on the likes of Willaims and Clotty that whats confusing. I dont think Margarito is going to be baned for life for few reasons. Reason being he did not use it in the fight they took them away. Then there is no proof of him using it in other fights because it has been cleared. Also Youngblood is there is anything else on the report i can read because i think read in your post that there was more i like to see it because i cant seem to find anything else. Now i not saying what he did was right i just like some more information before a life ban.

[sonny78]

I know this isn't going to be popular but

What does this mean

Margarito's hand wraps contained plaster elements

Does that mean he had a tiny bit of plaster element in his wraps if so is this that bad I mean its not like hand wraps are pillows I don't know if any of you have felt a wrapped hand it doesn't tickle how much of a difference would it actually make to have "plaster elements" in your wraps it hardly sounds like Luis Resto

I want to know what if any advantage was made but from everything I have seen so far I see no reason for any ban

[Nameless]

I know this isn't going to be popular but

What does this mean

Margarito's hand wraps contained plaster elements

Does that mean he had a tiny bit of plaster element in his wraps if so is this that bad I mean its not like hand wraps are pillows I don't know if any of you have felt a wrapped hand it doesn't tickle how much of a difference would it actually make to have "plaster elements" in your wraps it hardly sounds like Luis Resto

I want to know what if any advantage was made but from everything I have seen so far I see no reason for any ban

I disagree here for many reasons and there, it comes from somebody who really liked Margarito:

1) a cheat is a cheat, no matter the "size" of it and in that case, it was a manifest crime: it's like if you would say that a guy shouldn't have a criminal record because he tried to kill somebody else only with a small knife and not a katana, therefore the risks were "lesser".

2) They've taken 2 full stripes in each gloves from what I've seen, and from what I've heard, it was covering the full region that's used to "hit" on the knuckles, you don't need much more to stun somebody to the milky way, just like a brass knuckle, you don't need to cover your whole fist to make it efficient, it's even more effective that hands that would be fully covered with plaster as your hands hit harder and are a lot lighter.

3) I hate the argument that says "he didn't know, he didn't know". Sure, a Boxer trust his "taper boy" and might not look at every instant when the guy does his job, I believe that. HOWEVER, nobody will make me believe that a conscious cornerman will decide all of a sudden: "humm well, I could put plaster in his wrappings and not advise him about that, why not?" I just can't see that happening seriously, especially when the guy is a world's champion.

4) the cornerman's excuse is: "oh it was my fault, I just ranged for the wrong bandage in my bag, it's a mistake:.... Well, why would you bring Paris plaster in a cornerman's gear? you're not at the hospital here, you're on a fuck** ring!!! There is no reasons why he would, strangely enough, carry that in his bag. Second, plaster needs to be wet to start hardening.... it takes the helluva of a coincidence to put Paris plaster instead of normal gauze AND... accidentally wet it... on both hands.... only 2 stripes on the joints/knuckles.

Sorry but I really need some strong arguments to believe into what I will dare to call bullshit. The guy risked somebody else's life, sure he got caught before the fight occur and I am highly pleased to know that Sugar Shane wasn't hurt by that, I don't see how he should be lessened from a life ban after such risk was deliberately taken. the intentions are often as guilty as the act, when the hands are plastered and ready to go, we can, I think, safely assume that the guy had no "coming back" on his mind.

ps: oh, I also think that a boxer should be responsible for what his cornerman are doing to his glove no matter how, that's his entire responsibility, if he chooses not to look them work, that's his right but also his problem if something goes wrong with it. But still, despite that, i will never believe he didn't know his "taper boy" plastered his hands.

[Diane]

Clearly,we need more Pacquiao threads

I'm totally confused here... Sometime ago you blasted those who keeps on starting PAC threads... Now you're asking for more PAC threads...

It's called sarcasm.

[JazMerkin]

I know this isn't going to be popular but

What does this mean

Margarito's hand wraps contained plaster elements

Does that mean he had a tiny bit of plaster element in his wraps if so is this that bad I mean its not like hand wraps are pillows I don't know if any of you have felt a wrapped hand it doesn't tickle how much of a difference would it actually make to have "plaster elements" in your wraps it hardly sounds like Luis Resto

I want to know what if any advantage was made but from everything I have seen so far I see no reason for any ban

I agree, I can't stand the bastard to be honest, & if he did use it then I hope he's banned for life. BUT, and I do say this as someone who was delighted as Shane KO'd him, the people in charge continue to use ambiguous terminology when describing what was in the wraps. In addition, there are a number of other components that go into plaster, & Calcium is in baby powder in very high amounts for example. Yet again there's an announcement, that to me actually says sweet fuck all. How is it nearly 3 months later they are still not giving definitive accounts of what was in there? It's either plaster or it isn't, it cannot take that long to test, & then to only come back with 'contains elements of plaster'. These guys need to sort this shit out

[Diane]

To be honest with you, I don't think he used them until after he lost to Williams. Margacheato fuked up his chances for a fight against Cotto twice by taking the fight with Williams. First, he was supposed to fight Cotto, but once he found out that he had to give up his title if he didn't fight Williams, he took the Williams fight instead of fighting Cotto. Cotto went on to fight Judah. Fine, he took the Williams fight, but the agreement was that he needed to beat Williams in order to fight Cotto in November, guess what, he lost, and the fight went to Mosley. Margacheato and his camp got desperate, because they knew that his time was running out, and that he had to win big in order for him to get his big money shot. First up, Golden Johnson, TKO in the 3rd round. Next, Kermit Cintron, TKO in the 5th round, and then Cotto, and well, you don't have to be a genius to see the effects loaded wraps had on him.

And yeah, yeah, I know, the Nevada Commission cleared him. Please, they came out and cleared him 2 days after the Mosley fight. Some thorough investigation that was. And of course it will be hard to prove that he had them in those fights, the wraps are long gone, and you think that anyone will admit that they weren't doing their job, and could have allowed that to get by them. Please. Use common sense, and get your head out of the sand. Read around the sites people, those in the industry feel that he used them against Cotto. Did anyone not hear Dan Rafael say on national TV that he, and everyone he talks to in the industry believes he used loaded wraps in the Cotto fight.

And the "oh, he didn't know" crap. Again, please, the man has been in the pros for 15 years, you're going to sit there and try to tell me that he doesn't know what's in his wraps? You're going to tell me that he won't feel the wetness through gauze? You're going to tell me that he couldn't feel a difference? Geez, when you get a pebble in your shoe, don't tell me you don't feel it?

Look, it's no secret that Margacheato felt like the ugly step child, next to Cotto in the publics and Top Ranks eye, and he wanted that attention so bad, those big money fights so bad, that he did the unthinkable to obtain it.

And yes, he deserves no less than a lifetime ban from boxing. Him and his trainer are a disgrace to this sport that I love. They didn't care that they could have permanently injured another human being, thus ending their career, much less they could have killed another human being. To make things worse, they show absolutely NO remorse for what they have done.

I was a Margacheato fan, and now I am truly disgusted with him, and I can honestly say that I am sick to my stomach over this.

[OumaFan]

This is not surprising at all, honestly I think there was a bit of denial going around , there was a reason they immediately suspended him

and I think its wishful thinking to think he just started doing it against Mosley but that obviously can't be proven.

[OumaFan]

A lifetime ban would be fine, he'd find places to fight though.

[sonny78]

1) a cheat is a cheat, no matter the "size" of it and in that case, it was a manifest crime: it's like if you would say that a guy shouldn't have a criminal record because he tried to kill somebody else only with a small knife and not a katana, therefore the risks were "lesser".

Head-butts, Low blows, hitting after the bell, biting someone's f**king ear off all cheating all dangerous all with punishments none attract the lifetime ban some you are after for Margaritos cheating

2) They've taken 2 full stripes in each gloves from what I've seen, and from what I've heard, it was covering the full region that's used to "hit" on the knuckles, you don't need much more to stun somebody to the milky way, just like a brass knuckle, you don't need to cover your whole fist to make it efficient, it's even more effective that hands that would be fully covered with plaster as your hands hit harder and are a lot lighter.

Are you off your F**king Meds!! where are these "brass knuckles" no one has shown anything this is my point and why I am getting pissed off no one has seen anything if he had taken out the padding and had plaster wrapped hands then hang the C**T but its not the case all they have said so far is that there are "elements of plaster"

So fucking what its not lead had wraps are fucking solid how much of a difference does this make this is all I want to know before they ban a great fighter for life

For the record I like Cotto and I wanted him to win that fight but he got his arse handed to him because of lack of stamina and punch power, nothing to do with wraps I also wanted to Mosley to win he did and I don't think from what I have seen the wraps would have made any difference

[OumaFan]

A lifetime ban would be fine, he'd find places to fight though.

For example, and yes I am quoting myself, Capatillo just was in the corner of Segura in the rematch with Canchilla a couple weeks ago.