Hypothetical: Could PBF beat Pac?

[Taeth]

Seriously I don't understand why people think Mayweather-Pacquaio would even be competitive. I don't see Pac even beating the Manchester fag Ricky Hatton

Watch Mayweather-Judah then get back to me. When Judah threw punches Mayweather was completely defensive and didn't throw punches. I am not saying MAyweather wouldn't have adapted because he did, but Judah always drops his workrate when punches are being thrown at him which is what happened, Pacquiao wouldn't. Sanders, Corley, and Judah all were southpaw and all landed on Mayweather with ease compared to orthodox fighters, none of them are as offensively gifted as Pacquiao.

Another factor which is the same with Floyd fighting Marquez is that he doesn't use size but speed to win fights, and he's 32 and has been inactive for over a year. I think Cotto doesn't have the speed to catch Mayweather, and Mayweather just pot shot him all night and as the night wore on might even stop Cotto. I don't think Mosley can fight at a distance well enough to beat Mayweather, I can see him being a legitimate threat but I Think Mayweather stays away and once against pot shots against Mosley and is too quick and too slick for Mosley to deal with him.

Well, I think you are wrong on this one Taeth. With Corley, he presented a lot of problems for elite fighters because he throws that right hook a lot and so it sets up everything else. He almost had Cotto out on his feet. With Judah, Judah used to spar with PBF so he already knew much about PBF. People you spar with are difficult to deal with it. And plus, Judah does have great power that you have to respect. And he is extremely fast and a bigger guy than Pac. What people aren't saying is that Pac is the one who has never seen anything like PBF. How will he react!? Hell, Pac hasn't even fought an elite fighter who uses movement. And this fighter is the best at it and is bigger. Pac has more to be concerned about than PBF. He fights the guys who come straight forward. Everyone seen how well it went for Morales when he fought a decent fighter who used movement. He nearly got shut out by Zahir Raheem. Raheem said he had harder sparring partners. Marquez would pose more problems to PBF than Pac. Pac doesn't take on all styles so he would be in a new world from the jump. How about we try to figure out how Pac would deal with PBF. There is no comparison.

I am not saying Pacquiao won't have problems with Floyd, but Corely was landing a lot of shots on Floyd not jsut the right hook ,and Manny has a good right hook. ALso in what way is Judah a lot bigger than Pacquiao he weighed in at about hte same size against Floyd as Pacquiao did against OScar. Their speed is pretty even, Judah doesn't have great power, its good, but I wouldn't say its significantly better than Pacman's if at all, he might have more power but, Manny has that ability hurt guys. I don't Manny is one of the guys who would have a lot of trouble with pure backwards movement, he is too good at improvising, I think he is very used to guys moving away from him which is why he sets up his cross so well with his right jab. He has more trouble with guys like Marquez who fake going back then come forward quickly and don't give Pacquiao the space to really get off his loaded cross which takes a lot of room to get off. All in all IMO its the speed that will be the biggest factor. Judah is extremely fast but he doesn't fights in spurts, and its different. Manny is more like Calzaghe in that his style has so much energy too it, he's in and out all the time, he throws a lot of punches(he replaces numbers a bit with more power) and he can do it for 12 rounds. Not only that but you hit him and he loves it and wants to hit you back. IMO he could overwhelm Mayweather who would prefer to not get hit than to counter you. I think it was the mexican in Marquez as much as his technical and physical gifts that made him so tough for Manny because he would take a punch to land a punch whereas Floyd will do it from time to time, but its not in his nature as much as it used to be at 130 and 135. You put that Floyd in with Pacquiao and he would destroy Manny, but now he far less aggressive, less combinations, less lateral movement, a lot more defense.

Judah trained with Floyd during the Olympic tryouts to my knowledge, and when Mayweather was lighter he used to kick the shit out of Judah, but up at welterweight he slowed down quite a bit.

[Violent Demise]

Seriously I don't understand why people think Mayweather-Pacquaio would even be competitive. I don't see Pac even beating the Manchester fag Ricky Hatton

Watch Mayweather-Judah then get back to me. When Judah threw punches Mayweather was completely defensive and didn't throw punches. I am not saying MAyweather wouldn't have adapted because he did, but Judah always drops his workrate when punches are being thrown at him which is what happened, Pacquiao wouldn't. Sanders, Corley, and Judah all were southpaw and all landed on Mayweather with ease compared to orthodox fighters, none of them are as offensively gifted as Pacquiao.

Mayweather-Judah was competitive for like 4 rounds. Whoa! Corley landed like one big shot against Mayweather. And like 4 or 5 other good shots in the 4th round. Other than that he was dominated. As for Sanders? Some how I don't think Mayweather is the same fighter he was in his 2nd pro fight. I think he might of improved a little since than. Just when I thought i read it all. Why not just bring up Pac's early ko loses and use that as prooof that he's weak in the body?

[Taeth]

Seriously I don't understand why people think Mayweather-Pacquaio would even be competitive. I don't see Pac even beating the Manchester fag Ricky Hatton

Watch Mayweather-Judah then get back to me. When Judah threw punches Mayweather was completely defensive and didn't throw punches. I am not saying MAyweather wouldn't have adapted because he did, but Judah always drops his workrate when punches are being thrown at him which is what happened, Pacquiao wouldn't. Sanders, Corley, and Judah all were southpaw and all landed on Mayweather with ease compared to orthodox fighters, none of them are as offensively gifted as Pacquiao.

Mayweather-Judah was competitive for like 4 rounds. Whoa! Corley landed like one big shot against Mayweather. And like 4 or 5 other good shots in the 4th round. Other than that he was dominated. As for Sanders? Some how I don't think Mayweather is the same fighter he was in his 2nd pro fight. I think he might of improved a little since than. Just when I thought i read it all. Why not just bring up Pac's early ko loses and use that as prooof that he's weak in the body?

You are argueing with me about Floyd even though you clearly haven't seen Mayweather-Corley or else you would know Corley landed more than one big shot, maybe you should actually watch that fight before you make comments. I am not saying Judah almost won against Mayweather, but when he threw punches Mayweather certainly wasn't landing anything, and Judah landed that left cross almost whenever he threw it which wasn't enough. Sanders landed like 50% on Mayweather, 2nd fight or not Sanders was terrible and after that fight Floyd Snr said Mayweather wouldn't fight another southpaw as a pro, and he didn't until Corley becauase his defensive style doesn't work against southpaws.

Floyd is my favorite fighter in boxing, and second favorite all time behind Roy Jones jr, but I am not foolish enough to ignore the fact that he is bad against southpaws and he hasn't faced somebody as good as Pacquiao, he has faced Zab Judah who was as fast as Manny, but Zab doesn't throw punches, and he doesn't use movement, and he burns out mentally before half a fight is over. Him and Pacquiao are as different as night and day. Clearly we saw the speed difference between Manny and Oscar, and Oscar's speed made Floyd go on the defensive and Oscar was fast enough that Floyd was having a difficult time countering, I think him trying to counter Hatton or Oscar off the ropes and trying to counter Pacquiao are two completely different things. If Floyd stays on the ropes against Manny, he could be in a dire trouble. If he can keep the fight in the middle of the ring and keep on changing up the range between him and Pacman then he would likely win, maybe even dominate Manny.

Did Calzaghe land effectively on Hopkins? No, despite the fact that Hopkins landed almost all the clean, effective punches the judges still awarded the fight to Joe because of his higher workrate. Floyd could land all the good shots, but if Pacman throws a lot and makes Floyd look very defensive who knows how the fight will turn out. Floyd only got a split decision against Oscar even though he should have won nearly every round through good defense and clean effective punching.

[JudahShuffle]

Seriously I don't understand why people think Mayweather-Pacquaio would even be competitive. I don't see Pac even beating the Manchester fag Ricky Hatton

Watch Mayweather-Judah then get back to me. When Judah threw punches Mayweather was completely defensive and didn't throw punches. I am not saying MAyweather wouldn't have adapted because he did, but Judah always drops his workrate when punches are being thrown at him which is what happened, Pacquiao wouldn't. Sanders, Corley, and Judah all were southpaw and all landed on Mayweather with ease compared to orthodox fighters, none of them are as offensively gifted as Pacquiao.

Mayweather-Judah was competitive for like 4 rounds. Whoa! Corley landed like one big shot against Mayweather. And like 4 or 5 other good shots in the 4th round. Other than that he was dominated. As for Sanders? Some how I don't think Mayweather is the same fighter he was in his 2nd pro fight. I think he might of improved a little since than. Just when I thought i read it all. Why not just bring up Pac's early ko loses and use that as prooof that he's weak in the body?

You bring up an interesting point, being that Mayweather-Judah was competitive for 4 rounds. I think that's the story for many of Judah's fights due to certain issues we won't discuss (the man can dance though), but his speed is what allowed it to be competitive I think. Pac would not lose focus and at 140 I think his speed would definitely be enough to catch Floyd on more than one occasion. PBF has shown us match after match that he can force a fighter to enter his safe little utopia where he picks them apart. I doubt Manny would get sucked into that so easy. Once again with the speed, head movement, and constant pressure he could really make this awkward. While I don't think Mayweather will choke under this kind of pressure, I still want to see it happen at least once in his career.

All that being said, if Manny's rhythm is figured out he's $#^$@%@

[MIKAY]

Seriously I don't understand why people think Mayweather-Pacquaio would even be competitive. I don't see Pac even beating the Manchester fag Ricky Hatton

Takes one to know one doesnt it Vd, so you must be a fag too. Seriosly VD you need to grow up, the same goes for miles too, both of you are disgrace to this forum.

Full of hate and ignarance, you two must have been abused as children...

[Rocky Balboa]

Could PBF beat Pac? <----- is that even a question?

[brucelee]

Seriously I don't understand why people think Mayweather-Pacquaio would even be competitive. I don't see Pac even beating the Manchester fag Ricky Hatton

yeah, you haven't predicted him to win against anybody. You have also predicted that DLH will murder Pac.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I really don't know why boxing fans when a fighter beats another fighter out of their prime they say in their prime they'd have beat them.

Who is to say Oscar would have won if him and pacquiao fought prime for prime? Can't discredit Pacquiao's skills too. But I think it would have been an awesome fight to watch. But then again at 147 Oscar was a monster and Pacquiao isnt there naturally.

Whitaker prime for prime beats them both though

that's the point i'm trying to make, and no doubt neither one of the two would have been able to touch Whitaker

Once again how can you compare? We don't know how Whitaker would have done against guys faster than him like Floyd and Pacquiao. IMO I think Floyd is a better fighter than Whitaker, he's harder to hit, he's faster, he's got more a little more snap on his punches.

disagree completely, Floyd is nowhere as elusive as Whitaker, and as for speed i'd also give the edge to Whitaker, i'd say that at 140 he was faster than both Mayweather and Pacquiao, and on the flipside, Pacquiao has NEVER fought a defensive marvel like Whitaker who at his peak would make Manny miss by dipping down or simply with his foot work, he'd flurry in and be out without getting tagged, and yea Whitaker had the stamina to go the full 12 rounds and then some, Pacquiao is no welterweight don't make the mistake of thinking he is one, IMO he has very little to no chance against the likes of Cotto, Mosley, Berto, Williams, Clottey, etc.

How can you measure how drained Oscar was? Manny never gave him the oppertunity to do anything. We don't know how the Oscar that fought Quartey would have done against Manny because Quartey isn't the same fighter Pacquiao is, Quartey fights like Winky Wright he's stationary, he has a great jab and left hook, but a poor right hand.

Also how did oyu ahve Oscar Larios winning four rounds against Manny? I can see that one roung that he hurt Manny, but most of hte rounds Manny clearly won.

I'm not saying I don't think Mayweather will win, but IMO he beats Cotto and Mosley a lot easier, they aren't as hungry as Manny, they aren't as fast, and they aren't southpaw.

I don't think Cotto and Mosley being real welterweights matters because fighting Mayweather is never about size, he knows how to handle bigger guys, and he doesn't impose himself physically on smaller guys.

I am not trying to say Corley was competitive with Mayweather, but that him being a southpaw made a guy of his caliber much more difficult than the same caliber of guy would have been as an orthodox fighter, and he landed punches in all the early rounds, once again I have no idea what people are watching. He was landing with more regularity than Oscar De La Hoya or Ricky Hatton who are both way better than him.

Also I can see Floyd making Pacquiao look stupid in certain circumstances, but if great boxers like Barrera and Marquez can sustain a boxer's edge on the modern version of Pacman then I think Floyd wouldn't be able to with all the ease in the world. I prefer Floyd ten times to Manny, but obviously I am saying this would be competitive for a reason. People way too often think size is the determinant factor, I can look back and see half the people on here think Gatti would beat Floyd. People have a set belief about who should be where in the sport and they won't budge an inch. PS I also think Hatton's style is worse for Manny than Floyd's, but that Floyd is much better at his style than Hatton and a much better and more adaptable athlete than Ricky.

How about in the fact Pac's own trainer called De La Hoya a "walking corpse" who couldn't pull the trigger any more and was done. Seriously if you think about it how much credit can you really even give Pac for beating Oscar when his own trainer says the fight would of never happened if Oscar was still a threat?

Roach also said Oscar couldn't pull the trigger against Floyd, yet he was pretty competitive in that fight. I am not saying Oscar wasn't at his worst ever, I am just saying I disagree with people who say any average joe would have beaten Oscar that night. IMO the only guys naturally under 147 that would have beaten Oscar that night would have been Floyd and PAcquiao, and MAYBE Victor Ortiz, but we haven't seen enough of him.

Roach said this after the fight had happened, and competitive, at least i thought it was competitive but you're the one that's always saying that Oscar should have lost by at LEAST 4 rounds, IMO that's not a close or competitive fight, i like many others had floyd winning 115-113, it's no double standard

[XaduBoxer]

Seriously I don't understand why people think Mayweather-Pacquaio would even be competitive. I don't see Pac even beating the Manchester fag Ricky Hatton

yeah, you haven't predicted him to win against anybody. You have also predicted that DLH will murder Pac.

Bwa ja ja ja ...
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[jamiebhoy]

I would have to take PBF on this one, I think he would just be too quick on the back foot and be able to turn Pac and make him miss. I do think that it would also be a pretty boring fight with PBF being completely defensive just in case he got caught and it ending a UD or possibly a late TKO if Pac got tired chasing him.

Doubt it's ever gonna happen though.

[Rican]

Of course Floyd could defeat Pac Man-and easily too. Rarely does Floyd get hit in the face flush and although I believe Pac Man has the speed to do it, it will not be very easy. But let's not put Pac Man on such a high pedestal after beating the washed up Oscar. Pac Still has to deal with the very physical Hitman.

[Taeth]

My question is how do Mosley and Cotto pose more difficult tasks for Mayweather? Mosley throws combinations, but these days their are more like Calzaghe's combinations and less like the ones Shane threw as a lightweight. He doesn't fight at the same speed as his body moves at which was evident against Cotto who beat him to the punch repeatedly. Miguel Cotto is a great fighter, but he has slow movement and Mayweather is Zab Judah or Paulie, he is a lot harder to hit, and he hits a lot harder than Paulie. We saw Floyd take Baldomir out of their fight in the first 4 rounds because its so frustrating to fight him, while Baldomir never lost hope against Judah because if you keep coming Zab will eventually fold. Once Mayweather doesn't use his tradional defense against southpaws, he has more of a peak-a-boo defense and Zab was able to split his guard with the left hand at will, not only that but Floyd is very squared up against southpaws so its easier for Pacquiao to land his right hook as well.