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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather had already won the True Welterweight title, he was the Undisputed Welter champ whether you like it or not. And Hatton was THE Light Welterweight champion as well and was thought to be the best at that weight and was the guy who beat Kostya Tszyu and the guy people bashed Floyd for not fighting. He fought and knocked him out now people wanna downplay those wins. Floyd is absolutely right that he gets no credit for his wins.Originally Posted by BoomBoom
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
Floyd WAS the True Welterweight champ after he beat Baldomir. That was the only time though. Then he chose to fight Oscar and Hatton, neither of whom were welterweight champions. Now its been three years since he was a legit Welterweight champion and he tries to act like he has done enough in that time to still be considered the best Welterweight in the world. He could have fought Margarito, Cotto, or Mosley, to prove that he really is the best but he didnt. He retired. And now hes back to fight a lightweight at Welterweight. Shane is right that if Floyd fought the same opposition as him, he would have loses too.Floyd Mayweather had already won the True Welterweight title, he was the Undisputed Welter champ whether you like it or not. And Hatton was THE Light Welterweight champion as well and was thought to be the best at that weight and was the guy who beat Kostya Tszyu and the guy people bashed Floyd for not fighting. He fought and knocked him out now people wanna downplay those wins. Floyd is absolutely right that he gets no credit for his wins.
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
I like Mosley and he is my favorite fighter of all time. I am no big fan of PBF personally but I am not in denial of the man's talent. No way Mosley beats PBF. People are getting all riled up because everyone wants to see PBF punked or beat. Mosley is not that guy. He called out PBF and now everyone thinks PBF is scared. What about when PBF called out Mosley twice? Suddenly, everyone has amnesia. Mosley didn't just ignore it he flat out refused both times with excuses. The first time he said PBF wasn't a big enough draw and the second time he said he had to get his teeth fixed. People are really getting too drunk off the Margarito fight. Mosley is there to be outboxed. He is robotic and loads up every right hand. His jab is lazy and he moves right to you. Look at his last 3 fights not just his last fight. People got drunk on Hatton's last fight before Pac and that set him up for embarassment. Remember Cotto outboxed Mosley and Mayorga gave him fits. Mosley looks like every PBF hater's hero right now but no one said this after the Mayorga fight. Not to mention his limited boxing ability but Margarito minus the plaster is an ordinary fighter. And even though I am no fan of PBF's mouth he is right that Mosley is not a PPV draw. His fights with DLH made the numbers. After saying all this, as a fan I think PBF/Mosley should happen. It does make more sense fight wise than any other but money wise Pac/PBF is light years ahead of that.
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
Alright let me say it again.Floyd WAS the True Welterweight champ after he beat Baldomir. That was the only time though. Then he chose to fight Oscar and Hatton, neither of whom were welterweight champions. Now its been three years since he was a legit Welterweight champion and he tries to act like he has done enough in that time to still be considered the best Welterweight in the world. He could have fought Margarito, Cotto, or Mosley, to prove that he really is the best but he didnt. He retired. And now hes back to fight a lightweight at Welterweight. Shane is right that if Floyd fought the same opposition as him, he would have loses too.Floyd Mayweather had already won the True Welterweight title, he was the Undisputed Welter champ whether you like it or not. And Hatton was THE Light Welterweight champion as well and was thought to be the best at that weight and was the guy who beat Kostya Tszyu and the guy people bashed Floyd for not fighting. He fought and knocked him out now people wanna downplay those wins. Floyd is absolutely right that he gets no credit for his wins.
Cotto was considered inexperienced when Margarito beat him as the reason he lost, do you actually think if Floyd had fought and beat him sooner he'd have gotten any credit whatsoever for that win? Didn't think so, also people would have complained that Cotto had just moved up to 147.
We already know Margarito's story.
And as far as Mosley goes, no one was plowing for Mosley to fight Floyd at 147 after his fight with COllazo, and loss to Cotto, in fact people were calling Mosley over the hill especially after his fight with Mayorga and no one was clamoring for Floyd to fight Mosley, its only AFTER Mosley beat Margarito that people are stirring it up. SO you can't say he ducked or dodged mosley, the way Mosley was looking back then if Floyd had beat him no one would have given him credit theyd have said that he didnt look impressive against Collazo, that he lost to Cotto and struggled with Mayorga as an example of how past his best he is.
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
Cotto was considered inexperienced when he lost to Margarito? Thats the first ive heard that. Pretty ridiculous if people actually thought that with all of Cottos amateur and pro fights including many championship fights. I dont think were going to reach a point of agreement, but Cotto, Margarito, and Mosley were all the man of the division at one point, hand Floyd never persued them when they were. Now Shane is the king of the mountain. Not Floyd.
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
Ya, he definitely wasn't considered inexperienced against Margarito. Cotto actually had more big fight experience than Margarito did. Cotto had already headlined 2 big PPVs before against Zab and Shane.
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
Well i be pulling for Mosley think prime for prime Mosley could of beat Floyde but by the time they fight how old is Mosley going be lol. Mean if it comes off it could be atleast a year maybe even more i am guessing mean Molsey going to be like what 38 39 i mean he getting up there lol. As for the Cotto fight i thought Mosley won it was close Maygra rwas much latger then Mosley was he came in like at 170 be still got knocked out. As fof Margarito everthing is just speculation over all his fights but no fighter has ever knocked him out and plaster or not did not help Margaritos chin think people downplay this win more then they get hype from it.
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
He won the linear and ring championship from Baldomir and beat his predecessor Zab Judah before him. When did he have the oppertunity to fight Cotto? Cotto's defining fight was against Mosley, and that took place weeks if not a week before Mayweather-Hatton after which Mayweather retired. Margarito is obviously a joke, if he couldn't deal with Mosley's movement and defensive skills how would he land a punch on Mayweather? Let alone beat him... And no Mayweather didn't stick around, he went up to 154 to win a belt against Oscar De La Hoya who was arguably the best fighter at 154 at the time. Then he beat Hatton who people had wanted Floyd to fight for 4 or 5 years? Sure Mosley knocked out Mayorga, but that was in the twelth round, look at what Oscar did to Mayorga, and that was a better Mayorga.Floyd WAS the True Welterweight champ after he beat Baldomir. That was the only time though. Then he chose to fight Oscar and Hatton, neither of whom were welterweight champions. Now its been three years since he was a legit Welterweight champion and he tries to act like he has done enough in that time to still be considered the best Welterweight in the world. He could have fought Margarito, Cotto, or Mosley, to prove that he really is the best but he didnt. He retired. And now hes back to fight a lightweight at Welterweight. Shane is right that if Floyd fought the same opposition as him, he would have loses too.Floyd Mayweather had already won the True Welterweight title, he was the Undisputed Welter champ whether you like it or not. And Hatton was THE Light Welterweight champion as well and was thought to be the best at that weight and was the guy who beat Kostya Tszyu and the guy people bashed Floyd for not fighting. He fought and knocked him out now people wanna downplay those wins. Floyd is absolutely right that he gets no credit for his wins.
Also its ironic, Thought Mosley had already moved up to 147, Mayweather was calling him out to fight at 135-140ish, and Mosley refused saying he was p4p#1, and that Mayweather wasn't worth his time monetarily.
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
Yep that should be it... Shane fighting the winner of Clottey-Cotto and Floyd should have been fighting the winner of PAC-Hatton... But Floyd didn't wait for just 1 day to see the winner of PAC-Hatton and instead sealed the JMM fight... Though the 135 lbs. JMM is a good tune up fight for the 147 lbs. Floyd...
I see Shane restraining himself from totally lambasting the PBF-JMM tune up fight since this is a co-promotion between Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions... Shane is part owner of GB Promotions and JMM is also a GBP boxer...
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
Just as when Floyd sold big vs Oscar it was because of Oscars fans. Shane also did big ppv vs Vargas but unless Floyd has a big name in the other corner he isnt a big attraction either .
For Floyd to fight Marquez over Shane by saying he is a bigger ppv attraction is a joke. Marquez is a guy who went to Indionesia afew years ago for 30k. Floyd would have come away with more credit by saying he wants an easy warm up vs the lightweight champ before he takes on the welterweight champ. But to say its cuz Marquez has a country behind him etc is a poor excuse.
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
If Floyd called Marquez an easy warm-up people would rightly be disgusted. People say they give him more credit if he's honest, but that's what he does when he says that he fights for money. Also no way that Shane is anywhere near the attraction, if he was doing a training session in London, you would probably get about 100-200 people turning up & that's being optimistic. Floyd does one & a 1000+ people come along.Just as when Floyd sold big vs Oscar it was because of Oscars fans. Shane also did big ppv vs Vargas but unless Floyd has a big name in the other corner he isnt a big attraction either .
For Floyd to fight Marquez over Shane by saying he is a bigger ppv attraction is a joke. Marquez is a guy who went to Indionesia afew years ago for 30k. Floyd would have come away with more credit by saying he wants an easy warm up vs the lightweight champ before he takes on the welterweight champ. But to say its cuz Marquez has a country behind him etc is a poor excuse.
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
I think Floyd is a once in a lifetime talent but I always judge him for not throwing himself in the mix when Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito were fighting each other. He said it himself, he's in it for the money, not glory.
Floyd could and most likely would beat Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito but to have not tried at all bothers me a bit. He fought Baldomir, Judah, and Hatton at the welterweight division when the division was packed with bigger fighters for him to fight. And right now he steps back into the game fighting the LIGHTWEIGHT champion just adds on to the sour taste in my mouth.
Floyd is one of my favorite fighters but if he's trying to make a legacy where he can call himself one of the greatest, that he isn't doing. He very well is one of the best skill wise, but legacy is in danger IMO.
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C-lo thats exactly how I see it. He is obviously a talented fighter. Yes he probably would have beat 2 out of three of those guys, but thats a moot point. He didnt fight them, and that is where my criticism comes from. He has beem cradling his undefeated record for so long that he has put himself in a position that if he does lose at this point, his legacy will suffer greatly. If he loses now, much like Hatton, the glamour of being undefeated is gone and then people will start to really closely at his record, and his loss will stand out. Fighters that take chances, always fight the best and lose from time to time, are generally looked at kindly in the history books. The top 10 fighters of all time probably have at least 5 loses on their records. That was the cost of proving their greatness. Like badges of honor.
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Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
I just read this article in RING Magazine online. Most of this is basically how I view Floyd. He at one point in his career fought the best (when he was on his way up). But once he got there, the just wanted to maintain his status instead of reaching higher.
Mosley, not Mayweather, is worthy of fan appreciation
By Doug Fischer
The more I hear Floyd Mayweather’s mouth, the more I appreciate Shane Mosley.
It’s not that I don’t appreciate Mayweather at all. I do appreciate some things about the former five-division titleholder, who I consider, along with Mosley, to be among the best fighters I’ve had the privilege of covering in the late 1990s and this decade.
I think Mayweather’s overall ring generalship -- his balance, positioning, footwork, hand-eye coordination, head and upper-body movement, timing, punch accuracy and fluidity during a fight -- is a thing of beauty.
I understand the fans who celebrate Mayweather because of his superb skill and ring prowess, but I don’t agree that technique alone is enough to elevate a prize fighter to the top of the sport.
Professional boxing is more than technique, folks. (If technique is all you care about maybe figure skating should be your sport, not boxing.)
Boxing isn’t just about what a fighter does in the ring, it’s also about who he fights.
Mosley, who has always challenged the best fighters in the weight classes he occupied, gets it. Mayweather doesn’t.
The more we hear from “Money May” in the buildup to his July 18 comeback fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, the more we hear about who he won’t fight.
Manny Pacquiao, who earned universal recognition as the sport’s pound-for-pound No. 1 fighter after Mayweather “retired” last summer, appears to be on that list.
So is Mosley.
Mayweather tried to explain why the reigning pound-for-pound king and the sport’s best welterweight were not on his radar during a recent interview with ESPN’s Brian Kenny.
In that interview, which can be found on ESPN.com’s boxing page (Boxing News, Rankings, Results, and History - Championship Boxing - ESPN), Mayweather said a showdown with Pacquiao would be “hard to make” because he and Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum “have a problem.”
Mosley was dismissed as a future opponent because he has “five losses” and is “not a pay-per-view attraction,” according to Mayweather.
Mayweather’s disrespect was enough to make the normally affable and reserved Mosley fire back.
“Floyd’s delusional,” Mosley said from his home in La Verne, California on Friday. “He talks about his pay-per-view numbers but everyone knows that it was Ricky (Hatton) and Oscar (De La Hoya) who brought in the fans and sold those pay-per-view buys. Before he fought De La Hoya his numbers were so disappointing HBO didn’t want him to fight on pay-per-view anymore.
“The fights with Oscar and Ricky, and the 24/7’s he did on HBO before those fights, got his name out there but I don’t think it made him more popular with boxing fans. I don’t think he’ll ever be as popular as he thinks he is until he really fights the best.”
Early in his career, when he campaigned in the 130- and 135-pound divisions, Mayweather did fight the best. He beat the likes of Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez, and Jose Luis Castillo displaying once-in-a-lifetime talent and athletic gifts that were on par with Mosley’s abilities at lightweight.
Somewhere during his transition from lightweight to junior welterweight and welterweight in the middle part of the decade, Mayweather’s focus shifted from proving his potential greatness to protecting his undefeated record and making as much money as possible.
It can be argued that it worked out for him, as he made a small fortune fighting Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton in 2007, but it’s a damn shame.
Imagine the welterweight round robin that could have taken place over the last four years if Mayweather shared Mosley’s mettle.
Who knows? Maybe their battles with Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Joshua Clottey, Zab Judah, Kermit Cintron -- and ultimately against each other -- could have equaled or even rivaled the excitement that Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran, Pipino Cuevas, and Carlos Palomino created in the 147-pound division in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
However, while Mayweather and Mosley possess comparative skill and talent, their mentalities are as different as night and day.
“If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove,” hall-of-fame former middleweight champ Marvin Hagler once said. “That’s all I am. I live it.”
The same could be said about Mosley; he’s 100-percent fighter.
I wish I could compare Mayweather to Leonard, but I can’t (and nobody else should.)
After establishing his hall-for-fame credentials by taking on Benitez, Duran (twice) and Hearns in a 2-year span, he challenged Hagler, the undisputed middleweight champ, after being out of the ring for 3 years.
Mayweather, who stepped away from the sport as the welterweight champ, is returning from a 1½-year “retirement” to fight the LIGHTWEIGHT champ.
“Mayweather’s fighting one of the best in Juan Manuel Marquez but he’s not fighting the best in his weight class,” Mosley said. “If he can’t come down a few pounds to meet Marquez halfway that means he’s a full-bodied welterweight. So, why’s he picking on a lightweight?
“If he’s a welterweight and he’s the best, as he claims, then he needs to prove it by fighting the number-one welterweight, and that’s me.
“I proved it by knocking out Antonio Margarito who knocked out Miguel Cotto. Mayweather can’t say he’s the best welterweight or the best fighter, pound for pound. He pulled himself out of the game for a year. Fighters like me and Manny Pacquiao stayed in the game and earned our place in it. If he wants to come back and reclaim his so-called throne he has to beat us.
“If he thinks he can fool the public, he’s wrong. This fight (with Marquez) is not going to do the numbers he thinks it is, and if it does, it will be the Mexican fans supporting Marquez.
“Floyd doesn’t have fans.”
The reason, Mosley says, is simple:
If we cut open Mayweather’s head, we won’t find a boxing glove. We’ll find a wad of cash.
“Floyd fights for one thing, money,” Mosley said. “He doesn’t fight for the fans the way I do, or the way Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez do.
“That’s the difference between me and Mayweather. I’m not fighting for money. I’ve been in the game a long time, longer than Floyd, and I’ve made money, but that’s never been what drives me.
“I fight for the love of the sport and I fight for the fans.”
Mosley said he wanted to fight Margarito because the Mexican mauler was recognized as the best 147-pound fighter in the sport. Now he wants to fight Pacquiao and Mayweather, to prove that he’s the best fighter, pound for pound, in the game.
“I held that title (pound for pound) once,” he said. “I was recognized as the sport’s best fighter in 2000 and 2001. I want to be the first former pound-for-pound king to come back and be recognized as number one again after eight or nine years.
“If I get a fight against either or both, I’ll prove that I really am the best, and I won’t walk away from the sport like Floyd did. I’ll defend my title.”
Against who?
“I’ll fight anyone the fans want me to fight,” Mosley said. “I mean that. I really do fight for the fans. If I’m recognized as the pound-for-pound best I’ll let the fans vote on who I should fight next. I don’t care who it is. If they want me to fight Cotto again, I’ll do it. If they want me to fight Andre Berto or Paul Williams, I’ll do it.
“I just want to let the fans know that I’m worthy of their recognition.”
I’ve known Mosley, who turns 38 in September, for 15 years. I think appreciate him now more than ever.
It’s not too late for Mayweather, who I once tabbed as a future “great”.
Mosley agrees.
“Mayweather’s an awesome boxer,” he said. “The reason he isn’t embraced by fans is that he blatantly tells them that he’s only fighting for the money.
“He could have fans, real fans, if he really challenged himself. He wouldn’t have to rely on the other guy to bring in the fans and the pay-per-view numbers if he challenged himself.
“If he fought me, we would both bring in fans and the fight would be tremendous.”
Re: Brian Kenny gets reaction from Shane Mosley
For me Mosley greater than Mayweather. Mayweather is a coward he don't fight the best.
He is right why fighting the best lightweight at 147? He should fight Mosley, Cotto or Pacquiao. He is not the best if he keep ducking this fighters.
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