Showtime to do SMW tournament with Abraham/Kessler/Froch/Taylor/Ward/Dirrell?

[Nameless]

A 46 year old Kessler would still beat Froch.

Hating on Froch? C'mon CFH, what's all that aboot?

I don't hate Froch at all, I'm just still not sold on him. I was impressed that he beat Taylor, I picked him to lose (and maybe if Taylor had some stamina he would have), but a fighter like Kessler is a whole different ball of wax (is that even a saying - ball of wax?).

Froch is a decent, if sloppy, fighter with a solid (if not great) chin and above average power but I think fighters like Kessler, Bute, Andrade, and maybe even Abraham would take him to school in a big way. Ok, maybe Andrade wouldn't take him to school but I think he could out-brawl him.

And I'm afraid being from the west coast I don't have much of a Canadian accent, apparently I sound pretty much like anyone else from the west coast/pacific northwest. DeanRW on the other hand, I bet that fucker sounds like a Newfie .

Normally My english is quite neutral too though sometimes, we can hear a little background of french

[Diane]

Well here is more details. There are other networks that will be involved with it, thus making it more likely that they can pull this off.

And if everything gets finalized, the press conference is said to be on July 13th.


Abraham, Froch, Kessler, More Tourney Details Leak - Boxing News

[Diane]

Well Dan Rafael is reporting on it now as well.

Showtime super middleweight tourney in works - ESPN

[blegit]

I have no belief this tournament will happen. I like the idea and the hype move but too many things have to go right. Even single fights have too many things that have to happen because of the business side of boxing. Then we get to think about the boxing side. This sparks up interest and good conversation but I can't see it at all happening. Though I like Showtimes desire, unlike HBO, to bring us what boxing needs.

[Kirkland Laing]

It's a beautiful idea. Half a dozen promoters, assorted managers and half a dozen TV companies have been negotiating this (for two or three months at least) and this is the first we get to hear about it? That's almost as impressive as the tournament itself. I'd love it all to pan out all the way to a definitive final fight but I just don't see this whole thing going smoothly.

[Lance Uppercut]

by Dan Rafael

Showtime super middleweight tourney in works

Arthur Abraham
Carl Froch
Mikkel Kessler
Jermain Taylor
Andre Ward
Andre Dirrell


Since Joe Calzaghe left the super middleweight division at the end of 2007 for two fights at light heavyweight and then retirement, the 168-pound division has been without a king, although there are several interesting and exciting fighters and potential matches in the weight class.
Showtime, of course, has been heavily invested in the division, broadcasting a number of significant bouts at 168 over the past year or so. It has also looked to the future of the division, which is one of the reasons it televised last week's Arthur Abraham middleweight title defense from Germany knowing full well that Abraham is on the verge of moving up in weight.



Now, Showtime is taking an even bigger plunge, and if the network's boxing chief, Ken Hershman, pulls off an audacious and ambitious plan, we will see the crowning of a new king in the division after a series of high-profile bouts between the fall and mid-2011.
Hershman is working hard to finalize a stunning six-man round-robin tournament involving most of the key fighters in the division: Carl Froch, Mikkel Kessler, Jermain Taylor, Andre Ward, Andre Dirrell and Abraham, who would move up in weight.


Showtime didn't respond to requests for comment, but I've been doing my own digging and have talked to multiple sources involved in what will be one of the most significant events in boxing in recent years.
If this thing comes off -- a big if -- it could be spectacular.
Keep in mind that tournaments are awfully hard to keep together. Anyone remember HBO's 1980s heavyweight tournament? But if everyone signs off on this one, they'll be committed on paper to a series of fights against predetermined opponents (except in the semifinals and finals).
The beauty of this tournament is that it's not an elimination tournament. Just because a fighter loses does not mean he is out of the competition. On the contrary. His career will go on and he will have a chance to regenerate himself for good money against another fighter in the round robin. Win or lose, each fighter will fight on, collecting points based on how their fights go. I'll get to the particulars on that in a minute.
Here are the details as I know them, and keep in mind that not all of the promoters involved, including Gary Shaw, Lou DiBella, Wilfried Sauerland, Dan Goossen and Mick Hennessy, have officially signed off yet.


The first two bouts are tentatively scheduled for Oct. 10 with Froch, of England, defending his belt in the United Kingdom against American rising contender Dirrell. There has been some talk of a Froch-Kelly Pavlik fight on HBO in the fall, but that seems unlikely now. Entering the tournament makes a lot of sense for Froch, who has been unable to attract big TV money in his home country.
On the same telecast, but in Germany, Abraham is supposed to move up in weight to face former middleweight champ Taylor, who was knocked out by Froch in the 12th round of an April super middleweight title challenge. It's a tough way for Taylor to make his return, but he can make a statement by beating Abraham.


The third fight in what is supposed to be a 12-bout tournament would see titleholder Kessler, who has been bogged down in a dispute with promoter Mogens Palle, come to America and defend against Ward on Nov. 7. Presumably, that bout will take place in Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif., or in that region. Presumably, Kessler will have settled his differences with Palle or gone to another promoter.
The fourth bout is supposed to take place Jan. 30 in America with Abraham facing Dirrell. Abraham has long wanted to campaign in America, so this also makes sense.



The next fight, taking place in March 2010, would be Froch against Kessler in either the U.K. or Kessler's native Denmark.
The sixth fight would match Ward and Taylor in the United States in April or May 2010. There is also a possibility of Ward-Taylor and Froch-Kessler taking place on the same date with Showtime doing a split-site show.
Fight No. 7 would pit 2004 U.S. Olympic gold medalist Ward against teammate and bronze medalist Dirrell in July or August 2010 in the United States.


The eighth fight of the tournament would match Froch and Abraham, also in July or August 2010 in Europe. It also might be paired with Dirrell-Ward on another split-site show.
In September 2010, Kessler would face Taylor in the U.S. in the final bout of the preliminary matches.


The semifinals are slated for January 2011, with the final, to be held in the U.S., penciled in for May or June 2011.
The way fighters will advance to the semifinals is by collecting points. A fighter will get two points for a victory, with an additional point given for a knockout. One point is awarded for a draw. No points are awarded for a loss.


The four fighters with the highest point totals advance to the semifinals and will be seeded based on who has the most points. The fighter who has racked up the most points faces the fighter among the four semifinalists with the fewest points. The No. 2 and No. 3 point earners face each other in the other semifinal.


And what if there is a tie in points at the semifinal stage? Easy. If two fighters who have already faced each other are tied, the winner of that bout will be the one to advance to the semis. If there is a tie between fighters who have not fought, the guy with the most stoppage wins in the tournament advances. If there is still a tie, they'll go to the official scorecards of each fighter's tournament bouts and add them up, with the leader advancing. If the ties continue, the ultimate decision will be made with a coin flip.


Hershman has been very thorough -- and secretive -- in this whole process. But, from what I understand, he made at least one trip to Germany to meet with Abraham's handlers. He also worked closely to get Al Haymon, the adviser of Taylor and Dirrell, on board before getting their promoters involved.


Hershman has come up with contingencies in the event of a no contest, a positive drug test and even if a fighter fails to make the 168-pound limit. There are also contingencies in the event of a draw in the semifinals, not to mention language in the contract that addresses everything from sponsorship revenue sharing to ticket allotments.
Hershman has also covered himself in another critical area, that of mandatory obligations of the titleholders. They won't get in the way. By entering the tournament, the fighters and their promoters expressly agree that the tournament takes precedence over a mandatory bout, although a mandatory could take place if it's within the context of the tournament.
If it all comes off, it will be a miracle. But the concept is exciting and you have to figure we'll see some good fights before somebody inevitably falls out. Showtime, of course, has a mechanism in place to replace a boxer who falls out of the tournament.


Showtime is going to play this up big, which it should. There will be at least four kickoff news conferences scheduled for New York, London, Copenhagen and Berlin. Los Angeles might also be added. While the fighters are in New York for that media event, they are obligated to participate in a Showtime video and photo shoot in order for the network to assemble what it needs for what figures to be a heavy marketing and promotional campaign.


By the way, there is one glaring omission from the tournament: titleholder Lucian Bute of Canada. He's scheduled to face top contender Librado Andrade in a fall mandatory fight, a bout that Golden Boy won the purse bid for last week with an offer of $1.211 million, which beat the $1.195 bid from Bute promoter InterBox.


The first time they met, Bute beat Andrade in a controversial fight that Showtime aired. From what I am told, Showtime wanted Bute in the tournament but his handlers wouldn't commit to the tournament format. So be it.


Meanwhile, it remains to be seen what Golden Boy, which promotes Andrade, is going to do with the fight. It's a bit too rich to be on a pay-per-view undercard, and it also makes absolutely no sense as an HBO fight, given the network's total disinterest in the 168-pound division. Of course, HBO is closely aligned with Golden Boy, so I guess it might do it for that reason.


But Bute-Andrade II is only one fight and, frankly, not really a big one at that.



The big ones would be on Showtime. It's made a serious commitment at 168 pounds. Between the recent bouts it has aired and the plans for this incredible tournament, Showtime has the division locked up, and fight fans will be the happy beneficiaries of its smart game plan.



Dan Rafael Blog - ESPN

[Wadeb_21]

I hope this happens some pretty decent matches, I actually think Allan Green should be in that tournament as well.

[Lance Uppercut]

I hope this happens some pretty decent matches, I actually think Allan Green should be in that tournament as well.

I am sure, if given the opportunity, Alan Green would quickly price himself out of it.

[kingfrnk]

if this were to happen it would be great. hope it happens.

[Rantcatrat]

This would be great for boxing. I'm very enthusiastic.

I don't really see how Dirrell makes the tournament yet Bute, Andrade, and Green aren't in it. I understand including Ward because he is coming off his best win. Maybe Bute did indeed price himself out or perhaps the Bute v. Andrade made the logistics too tough.

The problem with not having Bute in it is that he is arguably the highest ranked super middleweight out there. One of the chosen boxers could win the tournament and still not be ranked the highest.

[Fenster]

More chance of an alien invasion than that coming off.

[jangeorg]

The third fight in what is supposed to be a 12-bout tournament would see titleholder Kessler, who has been bogged down in a dispute with promoter Mogens Palle, come to America and defend against Ward on Nov. 7. Presumably, that bout will take place in Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif., or in that region. Presumably, Kessler will have settled his differences with Palle or gone to another promoter.
The fourth bout is supposed to take place Jan. 30 in America with Abraham facing Dirrell. Abraham has long wanted to campaign in America, so this also makes sense.






Dan Rafael Blog - ESPN

Where are nothing to suggest that a trial will prevent Kessler to stand up for next week's press conferences in New York. London, Copenhagen and Berlin to announce that he will fight Andre Ward in the U.S. in November
I do not think a trial will prevent Kessler to fight. Not if he is to fight in the U.S., where a Danish injunction will not apply

[Kirkland Laing]

The third fight in what is supposed to be a 12-bout tournament would see titleholder Kessler, who has been bogged down in a dispute with promoter Mogens Palle, come to America and defend against Ward on Nov. 7. Presumably, that bout will take place in Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif., or in that region. Presumably, Kessler will have settled his differences with Palle or gone to another promoter.
The fourth bout is supposed to take place Jan. 30 in America with Abraham facing Dirrell. Abraham has long wanted to campaign in America, so this also makes sense.






Dan Rafael Blog - ESPN

Where are nothing to suggest that a trial will prevent Kessler to stand up for next week's press conferences in New York. London, Copenhagen and Berlin to announce that he will fight Andre Ward in the U.S. in November
I do not think a trial will prevent Kessler to fight. Not if he is to fight in the U.S., where a Danish injunction will not apply

If Palle wins in court it'll apply to Kessler's bank account.

[Lance Uppercut]

The third fight in what is supposed to be a 12-bout tournament would see titleholder Kessler, who has been bogged down in a dispute with promoter Mogens Palle, come to America and defend against Ward on Nov. 7. Presumably, that bout will take place in Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif., or in that region. Presumably, Kessler will have settled his differences with Palle or gone to another promoter.
The fourth bout is supposed to take place Jan. 30 in America with Abraham facing Dirrell. Abraham has long wanted to campaign in America, so this also makes sense.






Dan Rafael Blog - ESPN

Where are nothing to suggest that a trial will prevent Kessler to stand up for next week's press conferences in New York. London, Copenhagen and Berlin to announce that he will fight Andre Ward in the U.S. in November
I do not think a trial will prevent Kessler to fight. Not if he is to fight in the U.S., where a Danish injunction will not apply

If Palle wins in court it'll apply to Kessler's bank account.

..in what ever county he is bringing suit. Hopfully Kessler is smart and doesn't keep all of his money in Denmark.

[jangeorg]

Where are nothing to suggest that a trial will prevent Kessler to stand up for next week's press conferences in New York. London, Copenhagen and Berlin to announce that he will fight Andre Ward in the U.S. in November
I do not think a trial will prevent Kessler to fight. Not if he is to fight in the U.S., where a Danish injunction will not apply

If Palle wins in court it'll apply to Kessler's bank account.

..in what ever county he is bringing suit. Hopfully Kessler is smart and doesn't keep all of his money in Denmark.

LOL, Kessler has his residence in Monaco