30 Year Old Lennox Lewis v 30 Year Old Larry Holmes.Who Wins

[Spicoli]

I really dont see a walk in the park for either guy and think Lewis has a great shot.Holmes Jab is one for the ages,belongs encased in glass in the Smithsonian but Lewis had a nice stick as well,not to mention natural height,weight and pure size Holmes had rarely...if ever faced the likes of?Cooney?Holmes was a crafty gamesmen,sharp mind just as Lewis had shown to be and while Lewis's mind wandered in spots....lack of prep...he could close range quickly and be explosive with either hand.

Well Larry Holmes while being, quite a bit past his prime. Did defeat 6'5 Carl Williams in a close fight.

No doubt.Freakish reach as well,but a pretty raw Williams who had not the arsenal-power of Lewis....and a chin which makes Lewis's look like solid granite.

[eagle]

Larry Holmes comfortably on points, he has the better jab. Lennox Lewis got out jabbed by Ray Mercer, Frank Bruno. So i don't see how he deals with Larry Holmes's jab.

He's also faster, has better stamina, more athletic, better footwork, better chin. He basically holds most advantages over Lennox Lewis, except power but Larry Holmes has a very good chin, and has the heart to get up and win.

Larry Holmes by UD pretty comfortably.

Larry Holmes comfortably? U gotta be kidding, i doubt there is a heavyweight all time that could beat Lewis comfortably. Holmes was not faster than Lewis, Lennox also had far more power and is a bigger man. Yes Holmes has a better jab but Lewis had alround better skills. To just dismiss Lewis and say Holmes would win easy is crap.

Larry Holmes was not faster than Lennox Lewis, are you seriously kidding me ? Larry Holmes was much faster than Lennox Lewis, regarding putting punches together and moving round the ring.

Larry Holmes was also a better all round fighter, he could box he could brawl. He could also fight off the ropes, im sorry but Frank Bruno jabbed Lennox Lewis's socks off.

Lennox Lewis was always off balance and couldn't put his punches together, and he would of lost that fight. If Frank Bruno had survival instincts, and i still think it was a bit of a lucky punch aswell.

And then theres the fight with Ray Mercer, when Lennox Lewis allowed himself to get in trouble. Against a much smaller mans jab.

Im sorry but i think Larry Holmes, would of convincingly beaten Lennox Lewis over 12 rounds atleast by 4 rounds.

So Brunos jab gave Lewis trouble, Lennox still knocked him the fuck out, and still won v Mercer. Oh so u thought it was a lucky punch? Well it must have been cos u know all..... Lucky punch my ass. You are looking at Holmes thru rose glasses my friend, Lewis was as dominant at heavyweight as Holmes was, but in a much stronger era. Just match up their opponents, Lewis's are a mile better than Holmes. Guys who could match Holmes for size and similiar skill gave him trouble eg Norton and Witherspoon. If Tim Witherspoon and Ken Norton could push a prime Holmes to a close decision i daresay Lewis could do as well if not better.

How is the chess going?

[C.J.Rock]

Lennox takes it by comfortable decision

[johnsebastianmiran]

I was watching boxing when it was on commercial television two to four times a week just to get that out of the way. Larry Holmes was in Ali's shadow so he was grossly underrated. One more thing, I am not in any way a Holmes fan but he won and usually with no doubt. He was never caught napping when he was champ. He did lose to Micheal Spinks but Holmes was no longer a young man. Lennox has been out hustled even in his prime and lost his title to an emotionall unstable man in one instance and a lucky one in the second instance because he lacked conentration and Rahman was a lucky bastard. Holmes was hard to hit and you could find Lennox. Sometimes you'd have to wonder which Lennox was showing up but nonetheless he kept winning and evry so often he was baited into ugly situations but Larry made you ugly. Get the picture? Holmes-Tyson? Larry was looking for his pipe and slippers, the show was over andf the same can be said for Iron Mike being a rusty pipe bent by Lennox the plumber, it was all over.

[ICB]

Larry Holmes comfortably? U gotta be kidding, i doubt there is a heavyweight all time that could beat Lewis comfortably. Holmes was not faster than Lewis, Lennox also had far more power and is a bigger man. Yes Holmes has a better jab but Lewis had alround better skills. To just dismiss Lewis and say Holmes would win easy is crap.

Larry Holmes was not faster than Lennox Lewis, are you seriously kidding me ? Larry Holmes was much faster than Lennox Lewis, regarding putting punches together and moving round the ring.

Larry Holmes was also a better all round fighter, he could box he could brawl. He could also fight off the ropes, im sorry but Frank Bruno jabbed Lennox Lewis's socks off.

Lennox Lewis was always off balance and couldn't put his punches together, and he would of lost that fight. If Frank Bruno had survival instincts, and i still think it was a bit of a lucky punch aswell.

And then theres the fight with Ray Mercer, when Lennox Lewis allowed himself to get in trouble. Against a much smaller mans jab.

Im sorry but i think Larry Holmes, would of convincingly beaten Lennox Lewis over 12 rounds atleast by 4 rounds.

So Brunos jab gave Lewis trouble, Lennox still knocked him the fuck out, and still won v Mercer. Oh so u thought it was a lucky punch? Well it must have been cos u know all..... Lucky punch my ass. You are looking at Holmes thru rose glasses my friend, Lewis was as dominant at heavyweight as Holmes was, but in a much stronger era. Just match up their opponents, Lewis's are a mile better than Holmes. Guys who could match Holmes for size and similiar skill gave him trouble eg Norton and Witherspoon. If Tim Witherspoon and Ken Norton could push a prime Holmes to a close decision i daresay Lewis could do as well if not better.

How is the chess going?

I don't know why your acting, so aggressively. I never said i know it all and i never said my opinion is right. No one can ever be right in mythical match ups, i just think Larry Holmes's jab would be the key to beating Lennox Lewis. Because he struggled against fighters with decent jabs.

And yes i do think the punch against Frank Bruno, was lucky. He was up until that point getting totally thrown off by Frank Bruno's jab, and he got trapped in the corner, and swung a wild left hook out of desperation. Which saved the fight for him to his credit, but that showed he could be beaten by fighters with decent jabs, and this was also evident in the Ray Mercer fight aswell.

Im sorry but i think Larry Holmes, pretty much does everything better than Lennox Lewis except for power.

Larry Holmes beat Ken Norton more convincingly than Muhammad Ali ever did, with a torn bicep. Which actually makes Larry Holmes look better.

As for Tim Witherspoon he was almost exactly like Ken Norton, in his prime. A terrific fighter who let himself go, but again he had that crab like style, to bother Larry Holmes's boxing just like Ken Norton.

I don't see these two fights, as evidence that Lennox Lewis would bother Larry Holmes IMO.

Lastly you said Lennox Lewis beat much better opposition ? im not sure about that. But im too tired to compare there records at the moment, but maybe you can pull the stats out for me, because im far too tired.

[VictorCharlie]

Holmes 8 rounds to 4

[BIG H]

Classic match up for me this one. I think both Lewis and Holmes were at their peak aged 32, but aged 30 is a good point to match them.

Like has been said before Lewis did struggle (not always!) with fast long jabs, but again, as already said, he always found a way to win against them. To say that Holmes would easily beat Lewis is way off imo. NOBODY ever outboxed Lennox Lewis, he got KTFO twice by great punches and was well matched against Mercer and Klitchko, but he was never outboxed and soundly beaten over the course of a fight. That said, I still think Holmes was marginally better and would've jabbed his way to a UD.

[porkypara]

IMO Holmes is the most underrated ever due to the fact he followed Ali but also he pissed people off with all his bullshit talk.(still is today)

But that does not take away the fact that on his night IMO Holmes could beat any heavyweight in history.


As has already been said Holmes jab would be the key keeping Lewis off balence (which was not always great anyway).

I think Lewis would struggle to get himself into any pattern and be just looking to try and land the big right.


Holmes on points.

[Jody Lane]

I see a lot of decisions here. This fight I don't think would have gone the entire 12 or 15 rounds. I liked Lennox Lewis very much. Way more than Frank Bruno. And I saw Larry Holmes overall as the best heavyweight of the 1980s including Tyson. Had Tyson fought Holmes in Holmes prime, I think Holmes would have picked him apart for a decision like Lewis did with David Tua.

Holmes against Lewis in their primes would have been an all out war, where I could see Holmes getting knocked down and coming back to stop Lewis like he did against Ernie Shavers.

[CGM]

I don't know if I'd bet on him, but I give a properly motivated and sufficiently active Lewis a decent chance. Lewis tended to do just what needed to be done in order to win. He certainly had the power to deal with Holmes.

Lewis - Tyson was kind of an exception. Tyson was way past it, but Lewis let it all hang out, showing much more of everything than he usually did.

[WelshDevilRob]

Hard to seperate them as they are pretty equal in most departments. Holmes had the better chin while Lennox had the greater power.

Lennox edges a decision.

[DaxxKahn]

at 30 Larry...The 35 yr old version of Lennox beats any version of Larry...Lennox did not become a true master of the ring until later in his career

[DaxxKahn]

Larry Holmes was not faster than Lennox Lewis, are you seriously kidding me ? Larry Holmes was much faster than Lennox Lewis, regarding putting punches together and moving round the ring.

Larry Holmes was also a better all round fighter, he could box he could brawl. He could also fight off the ropes, im sorry but Frank Bruno jabbed Lennox Lewis's socks off.

Lennox Lewis was always off balance and couldn't put his punches together, and he would of lost that fight. If Frank Bruno had survival instincts, and i still think it was a bit of a lucky punch aswell.

And then theres the fight with Ray Mercer, when Lennox Lewis allowed himself to get in trouble. Against a much smaller mans jab.

Im sorry but i think Larry Holmes, would of convincingly beaten Lennox Lewis over 12 rounds atleast by 4 rounds.

So Brunos jab gave Lewis trouble, Lennox still knocked him the fuck out, and still won v Mercer. Oh so u thought it was a lucky punch? Well it must have been cos u know all..... Lucky punch my ass. You are looking at Holmes thru rose glasses my friend, Lewis was as dominant at heavyweight as Holmes was, but in a much stronger era. Just match up their opponents, Lewis's are a mile better than Holmes. Guys who could match Holmes for size and similiar skill gave him trouble eg Norton and Witherspoon. If Tim Witherspoon and Ken Norton could push a prime Holmes to a close decision i daresay Lewis could do as well if not better.

How is the chess going?

I don't know why your acting, so aggressively. I never said i know it all and i never said my opinion is right. No one can ever be right in mythical match ups, i just think Larry Holmes's jab would be the key to beating Lennox Lewis. Because he struggled against fighters with decent jabs.

And yes i do think the punch against Frank Bruno, was lucky. He was up until that point getting totally thrown off by Frank Bruno's jab, and he got trapped in the corner, and swung a wild left hook out of desperation. Which saved the fight for him to his credit, but that showed he could be beaten by fighters with decent jabs, and this was also evident in the Ray Mercer fight aswell.

Im sorry but i think Larry Holmes, pretty much does everything better than Lennox Lewis except for power.

Larry Holmes beat Ken Norton more convincingly than Muhammad Ali ever did, with a torn bicep. Which actually makes Larry Holmes look better.

As for Tim Witherspoon he was almost exactly like Ken Norton, in his prime. A terrific fighter who let himself go, but again he had that crab like style, to bother Larry Holmes's boxing just like Ken Norton.

I don't see these two fights, as evidence that Lennox Lewis would bother Larry Holmes IMO.

Lastly you said Lennox Lewis beat much better opposition ? im not sure about that. But im too tired to compare there records at the moment, but maybe you can pull the stats out for me, because im far too tired.

To say Larry nwould win is one thing but to say Lewis would not even bother Larry is another...You talk out of your ass sometimes.....

Thats why people on the forums get aggressive with you and when you can't come up with a good arguement you want to go to paper stats...

As for opp they beat

Holmes opp he won against had a combined 1270-379 w/l ratio

Lewis had 1064/229 w/l ratio

Larry accomplished this with 69 wins

Lennox with 41 wins

[Drago]

most peoples opinions seems to be a close fight which is the way i think of it also. cant remember who said it but i think holmes would of beaten tyson in their primes, but i think lewis beats tyson in their primes also

[ICB]

So Brunos jab gave Lewis trouble, Lennox still knocked him the fuck out, and still won v Mercer. Oh so u thought it was a lucky punch? Well it must have been cos u know all..... Lucky punch my ass. You are looking at Holmes thru rose glasses my friend, Lewis was as dominant at heavyweight as Holmes was, but in a much stronger era. Just match up their opponents, Lewis's are a mile better than Holmes. Guys who could match Holmes for size and similiar skill gave him trouble eg Norton and Witherspoon. If Tim Witherspoon and Ken Norton could push a prime Holmes to a close decision i daresay Lewis could do as well if not better.

How is the chess going?

I don't know why your acting, so aggressively. I never said i know it all and i never said my opinion is right. No one can ever be right in mythical match ups, i just think Larry Holmes's jab would be the key to beating Lennox Lewis. Because he struggled against fighters with decent jabs.

And yes i do think the punch against Frank Bruno, was lucky. He was up until that point getting totally thrown off by Frank Bruno's jab, and he got trapped in the corner, and swung a wild left hook out of desperation. Which saved the fight for him to his credit, but that showed he could be beaten by fighters with decent jabs, and this was also evident in the Ray Mercer fight aswell.

Im sorry but i think Larry Holmes, pretty much does everything better than Lennox Lewis except for power.

Larry Holmes beat Ken Norton more convincingly than Muhammad Ali ever did, with a torn bicep. Which actually makes Larry Holmes look better.

As for Tim Witherspoon he was almost exactly like Ken Norton, in his prime. A terrific fighter who let himself go, but again he had that crab like style, to bother Larry Holmes's boxing just like Ken Norton.

I don't see these two fights, as evidence that Lennox Lewis would bother Larry Holmes IMO.

Lastly you said Lennox Lewis beat much better opposition ? im not sure about that. But im too tired to compare there records at the moment, but maybe you can pull the stats out for me, because im far too tired.

To say Larry nwould win is one thing but to say Lewis would not even bother Larry is another...You talk out of your ass sometimes.....

Thats why people on the forums get aggressive with you and when you can't come up with a good arguement you want to go to paper stats...

As for opp they beat

Holmes opp he won against had a combined 1270-379 w/l ratio

Lewis had 1064/229 w/l ratio

Larry accomplished this with 69 wins

Lennox with 41 wins

Why don't you read my previous post, i said i think Larry Holmes would win by 4 points. I never said Lennox Lewis wouldn't bother Larry Holmes, don't put words into my mouth. I said i think he would win comfortable decision, meaning points wise which is why i said by 4 points.

I never said he would beat Lennox Lewis from pillar to post for 12 rounds, without ever having problems.

And where have i brought out stats in this thread ? infact i don't actually use stats that often. I think i've gave very good argument why i think Larry Holmes would win. And are you honestly telling me, i got to paper stats when i can't debate something. Are you kidding me ? i thought i've always been a pretty decent debater. And i debate on many different era's and fighters, and i've done it without stats.

No comment's on any of my post's in this thread, should be replied to in an aggressive manner. All i've done is state my opinion, while backing it up with some good arguments.

I don't think Lennox Lewis would be able to deal with Larry Holmes's jab, sorry but i don't. And i think he would beat Lennox Lewis comfortably on points, it wouldn't be easy but there's no doubt in my mind. Larry Holmes would be the clear winner.

Lastly people can get as annoyed at my post, as they want. I don't really care i've said nothing wrong, and an opinion shouldn't make anyone annoyed unless its a ridiculous one. But my opinion isn't ridiculous and its an opinion backed up with a good case.

Doesn't mean its right doesn't mean its wrong, as i said to Eagle no one can ever be right discussing mythical match ups.