'Roids' - now it's Jeff Mayweather's turn - what's their problem?

[fan johnny]

Does everyone really REALLY not see that the Floyd's are trying to push buttons leading up into the next two mega-matches?


Floyd vs Pacquiao is round the corner...especially after Marquez blasts Mayweather into next year & Cotto hammers Pac the F out...I mean...that's the only fight either of them can get...outside of the immediate rematches...

That's the best of the two outcomes...atleast in my world.

Heh heh heh.

One can only hope.

Looks like they ain't the only ones that likes to push buttons.

[zhubin]

Not sure why anyone would be shocked at top boxers taking performance enhancing drugs. It's happening in every sport...and if you don't think it is...you are delusional. And forget steroids, HGH, and all that stuff. There is a whole new slew of drugs that cannot even be detected through urine and blood tests...it would take a muscle biopsy to show it is in an athlete's system (you can find plenty of articles about this from reputable, scientific sources on the net). This is just a reality of modern sports. Not pointing at any particular fighter...but just saying people are naive if they don't think it's happening.

[generalbulldog]

In what way does he throw any accusation towards Manny? He speaks about the sport as a whole and makes it a point to mention "I do not know what Pacquiao is or is not putting in his system" and further goes on to say Sr is not the only one to say that Manny is on something possibly because he gets more and more shredded....

No where in that article does he state he believes personally Manny is on Roids and no where does he back up SR's accusations all he says is that it is funny how when other people say it its ignored but when his brother says it all of a sudden its big news.....

Sorry I dont see where Jeff accused Manny at all.....He just staed anything is possible and in a cut throat sport some guys are willing to do anything to get ahead......

As usual Jeff remains respectful and his words ones worth listening to because without proof he is not throwing mud at anyone

He didn't throw any accusations at Manny DIRECTLY, but in a more back handed way by stating,

“To be honest there are a lot of other people who feel Pacquiao is taking something as well,” Jeff says without hesitation. “They are basing this on the fact that no other fighter has been able to rise so many weight classes while getting that ripped and muscular. Typically when you put on weight on your body you are going to get toned, not completely shredded like Pacquiao was when he fought Oscar De La Hoya. People are looking at Pacquiao’s physique and asking how is this possible?”

He's just doing it an indirect way by saying "other people" as in people in the fight game, be it boxers or trainers. The implication is there that Manny is on something.

People in this thread have stated that he's a good and standup guy, but he's still a Mayweather and it's his brother (Sr.) making the accusations. He's not going to go against blood.

Please explain any of your statements because in no way whatsoever has he implicated Manny.....Shit I know a ton of other writers that believed Roy Jones was on steroids and a bunch that believed Holyfield was on Roids at one point in time but they did not write articles about it it was just personal opinion....

A back handed accusation does not include the comments
"I don't know what Pacquiao is or isnt on".......

And by the way your theory on Jeff not going against what his brother says is worth about as much as a $3 bill because he has gone against every member of the Mayweather family's statements at one point in time...

In fact he has thrown PBF under the bus on more then one occassion

I already pointed out and made clear where he implicated Manny in my last response to you, the quote I highlighted. It's an appeals to authority logical fallacy when used in arguing or for debates. It is a backhanded accusation and also to make it seem like he's neutral he states, "I’m not here to accuse the man of anything but all I can say is that numerous people feel he has been taking something illegal these past fights."

How many times have I seen this trick used in everyday speech or argumentative prose? It's the oldest trick in the book. To paraphrase Jeff Mayweather, "Look I'm not accusing Manny, but a lot of people have been saying he's using steroids."

That is an accusation, not an direct one but it is one. It is the oldest trick in the book in argumentative prose. There are many various forms of it. Here's let's use this as an example, "Look I'm not against immigrants, but I heard they cause trouble, leech off welfare, commit crimes, and are detrimental to American society."

One just needs to read between the lines to see the clear meaning.

[DaxxKahn]

He didn't throw any accusations at Manny DIRECTLY, but in a more back handed way by stating, He's just doing it an indirect way by saying "other people" as in people in the fight game, be it boxers or trainers. The implication is there that Manny is on something.

People in this thread have stated that he's a good and standup guy, but he's still a Mayweather and it's his brother (Sr.) making the accusations. He's not going to go against blood.

Please explain any of your statements because in no way whatsoever has he implicated Manny.....Shit I know a ton of other writers that believed Roy Jones was on steroids and a bunch that believed Holyfield was on Roids at one point in time but they did not write articles about it it was just personal opinion....

A back handed accusation does not include the comments
"I don't know what Pacquiao is or isnt on".......

And by the way your theory on Jeff not going against what his brother says is worth about as much as a $3 bill because he has gone against every member of the Mayweather family's statements at one point in time...

In fact he has thrown PBF under the bus on more then one occassion

I already pointed out and made clear where he implicated Manny in my last response to you, the quote I highlighted. It's an appeals to authority logical fallacy when used in arguing or for debates. It is a backhanded accusation and also to make it seem like he's neutral he states, "I’m not here to accuse the man of anything but all I can say is that numerous people feel he has been taking something illegal these past fights."

How many times have I seen this trick used in everyday speech or argumentative prose? It's the oldest trick in the book. To paraphrase Jeff Mayweather, "Look I'm not accusing Manny, but a lot of people have been saying he's using steroids."

That is an accusation, not an direct one but it is one. It is the oldest trick in the book in argumentative prose. There are many various forms of it. Here's let's use this as an example, "Look I'm not against immigrants, but I heard they cause trouble, leech off welfare, commit crimes, and are detrimental to American society."

One just needs to read between the lines to see the clear meaning.

Yeah thats it i'm not reading between the lines, I guess I have not seen this trick used in everyday speech and arguementative prose....

Silly me....

[pacfan]

He didn't throw any accusations at Manny DIRECTLY, but in a more back handed way by stating, He's just doing it an indirect way by saying "other people" as in people in the fight game, be it boxers or trainers. The implication is there that Manny is on something.

People in this thread have stated that he's a good and standup guy, but he's still a Mayweather and it's his brother (Sr.) making the accusations. He's not going to go against blood.

Please explain any of your statements because in no way whatsoever has he implicated Manny.....Shit I know a ton of other writers that believed Roy Jones was on steroids and a bunch that believed Holyfield was on Roids at one point in time but they did not write articles about it it was just personal opinion....

A back handed accusation does not include the comments
"I don't know what Pacquiao is or isnt on".......

And by the way your theory on Jeff not going against what his brother says is worth about as much as a $3 bill because he has gone against every member of the Mayweather family's statements at one point in time...

In fact he has thrown PBF under the bus on more then one occassion

I already pointed out and made clear where he implicated Manny in my last response to you, the quote I highlighted. It's an appeals to authority logical fallacy when used in arguing or for debates. It is a backhanded accusation and also to make it seem like he's neutral he states, "I’m not here to accuse the man of anything but all I can say is that numerous people feel he has been taking something illegal these past fights."

How many times have I seen this trick used in everyday speech or argumentative prose? It's the oldest trick in the book. To paraphrase Jeff Mayweather, "Look I'm not accusing Manny, but a lot of people have been saying he's using steroids."

That is an accusation, not an direct one but it is one. It is the oldest trick in the book in argumentative prose. There are many various forms of it. Here's let's use this as an example, "Look I'm not against immigrants, but I heard they cause trouble, leech off welfare, commit crimes, and are detrimental to American society."

One just needs to read between the lines to see the clear meaning.

That's exactly my point. He used that punchline 'many people have been saying he's using steroids' several times in that interview as if trying to say, 'hey listen up, fellas, I tell you the kids on 'roids and many people believe so,' and on the other hand he said absolutely nothing about the possibility of Pac being innocent of the accusation. If some of you folks thinks otherwise, that's all right, you can be right, who knows. But for me, that's the way I see it...