Training device

[Andre]

It think it could be great to build contact reflexes if you could have your forearm arm touching it and go off the contact reaction more than the visual one.

[Andre]

It looks like great fun too, Id love to have a go of one.

I was really hoping it would belt you one when you turned your back on it and went around the side to adjust the speed .

[Scrap]

Just seen the Vidio , interesting. Thats not a Bad idea, I apologise, lots of things and permentations could come of it. How hard is the impact.

[atgatt]

It think it could be great to build contact reflexes if you could have your forearm arm touching it and go off the contact reaction more than the visual one.

Just for the heck of it, I will try that to see where it could lead. Not that you'd do that in a fight, but I just may learn something new.

It also has taught me to focus on where I'm hitting even though punches are coming at me. I leave the opening small to the dummy's head and at first I was getting too wild on my punches because I was too focused on avoiding getting hit, but no more, I stay focused where I'm punching. When it punches I try to come in real quick on that same punch side and throw a hook into the face right under the arm or come under and hook into the torso side.

Scrap, the impact is low at the slow to medium speeds, which is real jab speeds, but at top speed it says "hello" for sure, but even my bad neck can take it. If I were to market it as a fun way to exercise, I would regulate the psi to not go beyond 90 because beyond that, it is just too fast anyway.

[ryanman]

John,
I've shown your videos to a few friends. they aren't really into boxing but love to exercise. They all said it looked great and that they would definately buy one if it came on the market. A few of them like to hit the bag and pads, purely for fitness. Sometimes i throw a few jabs at them while they do it, just to tire them even more. So they are well aware how much more tiring it is when punches are coming back at you. Which is why it would make a fun and effective fitness tool.
I mean, if its a choice between a 5 mile run or slipping jabs and countering with booming hooks, theres no contest really.

[atgatt]

ryanman, thank you so much for showing it and then letting me know what your friends thought from an exercise point of view. That means a lot to me.

Last Friday I smashed my thumb pretty bad building something so several days had to go by before the swelling went down a bit. I sure missed boxing against the RBT and yesterday I was able to do it again and bare the thumb pain. I look forward to it that much. Like you said, it is amazing how much more of a workout it is punching AND trying not to get hit. I can only do about 4 rounds because my shoulders are screaming by then. I can see why boxers going many rounds get sloppy. Still, they show what great shape they are in to go that long.

[atgatt]

It think it could be great to build contact reflexes if you could have your forearm arm touching it and go off the contact reaction more than the visual one.

Andre, for what it's worth, I tried your suggestion today and found the visual is much better, at least for me. It was just too fast to even deflect the RBT arm with my arm that was touching it before it hit me.

I also tried a new style of punching today against it that made me get hit less but it is a shoulder killer. Rather than just punching fast to get in out quick, I also worked hard at bringing my punch hand back to the guard position as fast as possible once it made the hit. It is obviously great for the least percentage of time your guard is open, but it also is like a fast reload to be ready to punch again with the same arm. The only problem like I said, it really gets to my shoulders and I will have to build up those muscles involved with that quick return movement, but I could see it is worth it.

[Andre]

It think it could be great to build contact reflexes if you could have your forearm arm touching it and go off the contact reaction more than the visual one.

Andre, for what it's worth, I tried your suggestion today and found the visual is much better, at least for me. It was just too fast to even deflect the RBT arm with my arm that was touching it before it hit me.

I also tried a new style of punching today against it that made me get hit less but it is a shoulder killer. Rather than just punching fast to get in out quick, I also worked hard at bringing my punch hand back to the guard position as fast as possible once it made the hit. It is obviously great for the least percentage of time your guard is open, but it also is like a fast reload to be ready to punch again with the same arm. The only problem like I said, it really gets to my shoulders and I will have to build up those muscles involved with that quick return movement, but I could see it is worth it.

Its a forearm feeling that is built up over a long time through a system that is slow and one armed al the way to fast and blind folded.A practiced person would enjoy having a go at it I imagine although the style that does utilize it in nose to nose fighting feels the whole opponents intention through that point, I imagine a machine having zero intention and a very stable balance would exercise them in reaction speed only as an additional benefit. It would be interesting to get a local advanced practitioner of Wing Chun in to see what they think.

[atgatt]

It would be interesting to get a local advanced practitioner of Wing Chun in to see what they think.

I emailed a few other boxing gyms and about 5 martial arts schools if I could bring the RBT there, and only one boxing gym took up the offer and they were surprised they couldn't slip the jabs at the slower speeds.

You gave me an idea to email martial arts schools and challenge them that they may not be good enough to slip normal jabs and the RBT can prove it. Appeal to their challenging ego.

Interesting about the blind folded close range fighting technique. Sounds very advanced.

[Scrap]

Looking at it, how much will they retail at.

[atgatt]

Looking at it, how much will they retail at.

I really don't know. The arms and shoulders that are the least expensive out of all it can be made much cheaper by buying in higher amounts. The electronics is the biggest cost, but if a company took on the project, once the various modes were programmed for the random punch sequences, that could be made into a computer chip rather than the more expensive Programmable Logic Controller and Power Supply that I'm using now.

So, if I were guessing, a company could sell them around $300 to $400, maybe even cheaper. Don't even ask what I spent coming up with what would work and the time doing it. It is much harder than it appears.

It's the hardest workout tool I have, bar none. I've hit various bags for years thinking my shoulders were in good shape, until......the RBT came along.

[God.in.my.corner]

that's an amazing device you got there! wouldn't mind buying one for that price.

[atgatt]

that's an amazing device you got there! wouldn't mind buying one for that price.

Thanks. As mentioned, there is so much more I would like to do to the RBT but the lack of funding will delay that. All I can do is continue to see if a company that sees its potential will invest in it.

As it is now, it has taught me so much. I know if I can't slip a 9 mph jab from it, my 10 mph bare fisted jab will very likely hit its mark before a person can react. Adding 1 mph to a jab really makes a difference too and I will see if I could analyze how to get my jab to 11 mph.

It would be interesting to see how a boxer's jab speed changes from wearing a boxing glove compared to not wearing one and where the jab hand is positioned before the jab to see if more speed can be attained by making a slight change in position. As far as I know, punches have never been analyzed like that and I wonder why. At least the RBT can make a person aware of what jab speeds in mph really reveal to a reaction time.

[Youngblood]

I've read a lot of this stuff, and have been giving you the benefit of the doubt, and can actually see a use for this machine. But I gotta tell you something. I am starting to see you wander into threads talking about things you have no idea about with this sport while promoting your contraption. So you are starting to lose me fast.

And for the record...I was one of the first people "The Truth Is" on another site who told you how ridiculous it was that you were advertising how this machine was better then a sparring partner (yes, I know, you said you were joking...but it covered 1/2 of your promotional page at the time). Atleast you had to good sense to remove that claim, for it was truly laughable. So sorry if this seems a bit bitter, but stick to what you know. Building an interesting machine with a potential use for limited help with a boxer in one or 2 areas.

[atgatt]

I've read a lot of this stuff, and have been giving you the benefit of the doubt, and can actually see a use for this machine. But I gotta tell you something. I am starting to see you wander into threads talking about things you have no idea about with this sport while promoting your contraption. So you are starting to lose me fast.

And for the record...I was one of the first people "The Truth Is" on another site who told you how ridiculous it was that you were advertising how this machine was better then a sparring partner (yes, I know, you said you were joking...but it covered 1/2 of your promotional page at the time). Atleast you had to good sense to remove that claim, for it was truly laughable. So sorry if this seems a bit bitter, but stick to what you know. Building an interesting machine with a potential use for limited help with a boxer in one or 2 areas.

Truth? You claim to be saying the truth?! What I had was a COMPARISON to a sparring partner. You and others assumed that I was saying it was better. The joking part was saying how the RBT didn't get sweaty, etc. Why don't you say the truth how I asked which one of those claims were not true in the comparison. Not one person did that. They just kept mouthing off but couldn't produce and here it goes again. I don't care if I lose people like you fast. Take Reading 101 again and see what a person is saying rather than assuming. I took out the comparison realizing that people read what they want instead of what is there. I should have left it so I do lose people like you fast.

As far as promoting my "contraption", I'll continue to do so. If you don't like it, then don't have interest. Sorry if you are the only expert out there knowing anything about the sport and no one else can make anything that just might be better than a slip bag.

Hey "truthseeker", which one of my comparisons to a sparring partner was not true? Come on. Let the truth be known to all. If you can't make that claim, how are you the one out for truth and justice?

Go to Boxingscene.com and copy and past here a comparison that was brought up that was wrong. Can you?