The one thing I thought Haye had a chance of doing against Wlad that would work is countering over the jab, but he couldn't do it against Valuev. I thought because of his amazing athleticism and speed he would be able to get in and out at will against Valuev, but even Chagaev, who though a good athlete is much slower and less coordinated than Haye, had way more success getting in and out on Valuev. I think Haye should have followed Mayweather's blue print for beating Corrales, and that was to jab to the body (In Haye's case he loves to throw hooks to the body as well) until he brought Valuev's arms down, then hit him with looping hooks over the top, but Haye hardly threw anything which didn't force Valuev alter his guard at all. I was just surprised because Valuev often timed Haye coming in, and got off glancing counter punches at times. If it was a quicker more light footed fight like Wladimir I think Haye would be getting hit cleanly a lot.