How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?

[purtyboy]

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the maximum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

*edit replaced minimum typo*

[fan johnny]

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

[did you mean Maximum?]

[Pacdbest2]

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

147 is the maximum at welter Stupid!!!

[purtyboy]

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

147 is the maximum at welter Stupid!!!

It's the 147 title you fucking moron

[OumaFan]

all right, lets keep this one on the main board


I just ignore the belts for the most part personally

[JazMerkin]

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

147 is the maximum at welter Stupid!!!

It's the 147 title you fucking moron that is why i said MINIMUM ofcourse it's the maximum aswell!

Sorry, he's right. The minimum would be anything over 140.1lbs. The maximum is 147lbs on the dot.

If you could only weigh 147lbs, then Cotto wouldn't have been the champion because he weighed less for his last 2 fights.

[Rantcatrat]

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

I don't see the point in catchweights either, but I think you're sort of both right. The weight limit for a welterweight fight is at 147, but the welterweight division by definition is anywhere between 141 and 147. Isn't a fight between A and B at 145 technically is a welterweight fight?

[0james0]

So for anyone who hasn't got it yet:

A welterweight fight is for anyone 147 or less.

Cotto was daft/ desperate enough to fight Manny to agree to have a 145 maximum for this fight. Had he had better negotiators or even cared then he could have weighed at anything up to 147.

The fact is Manny was a big money match and to do the fight he had to agree to his terms.

And yes a super flyweight could fight a heavyweight for their title.

[0james0]

Plus 2lbs is neither here nor there. You can shit 2lbs!

I've always though that anything within a few lbs wouldn't make all that much difference. But then havin nver boxed at a decent standard I may be a bit naive.

[JazMerkin]

So for anyone who hasn't got it yet:

A welterweight fight is for anyone 147 or less.

Cotto was daft/ desperate enough to fight Manny to agree to have a 145 maximum for this fight. Had he had better negotiators or even cared then he could have weighed at anything up to 147.

The fact is Manny was a big money match and to do the fight he had to agree to his terms.

And yes a super flyweight could fight a heavyweight for their title.

Nowadays I don't think that's still possible, I think there was a ruling in the late 80s that you had to also meet the minimum weight requirements to fight for a title. Might have been around the time of the Leonard-Duran rubber match.

As for the lb issue, when you have to make weight, it's those last few lbs that get you. I'm not saying this is the case with Cotto, but I think if it was say Mosley, then cutting down to 145 now would be very difficult for him. It all depends on what each individual's limit is.

[the_sacred_chilli]

the sanctioning board have nothing to do with the contract.

If there had been no contract and they both weighed in at 145, no issue.

If cotto had weighed in at 147 and manny at 145, then the fight would still have been sanctioned as a ww title fight.

on the case of a fly going for a hw title, i think you are technically correct but think that whoever is the medical team granting the license would refuse to allow it, idue to the danger faced by the lighter man.

that being said i swear years ago i heard a rumour of naseem wearing lead in his shorts so he weighed more for some fights. perhaps i just made that up. anycase he certainly doesnt need to do that now!

[Intazzz]

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

WTF! lol 147 is the minimum at welterweight? Kid get we don't need you here.

Welterweight is between 140.1 to 147 pounds. The Maximum is 147 not minimum.

[TheBranMan]

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

WTF! lol 147 is the minimum at welterweight? Kid get we don't need you here.

Welterweight is between 140.1 to 147 pounds. The Maximum is 147 not minimum.

...Although title fights are usually fought spanning the whole of the weight class (ie. 147 being the maximum).

[purtyboy]

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

WTF! lol 147 is the minimum at welterweight? Kid get we don't need you here.

Welterweight is between 140.1 to 147 pounds. The Maximum is 147 not minimum.

Yeah that was brought up already i meant Maximum, and i rephrase the whole question so read everything before you post... the thing is simple.. Championship fights should not have a catch weight a fighter should be allowed to come at the maximum weight of his belt division which was 147 not 145! ps: I been here since 04/05 around there i aint leaving just yet...

[0james0]

Yeah that was brought up already i meant Maximum, and i rephrase the whole question so read everything before you post... the thing is simple.. Championship fights should not have a catch weight a fighter should be allowed to come at the maximum weight of his belt division which was 147 not 145! ps: I been here since 04/05 around there i aint leaving just yet...

But Cotto agreed to it. As champion he could have declined that catch weight if he really wanted, he prob wasn't bothered by it and thought it was an easy way to make an extra couple £m.