The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao

[Manju]

I think its safe to say Pac engenders much more passion in his fans than PBF. PBF, like Sweat Pea, is a great technician but hardly a passionate fighter. Indeed, PBF's abrasive personality further alienates him from fans above and beyond his cold scientific tactics. He's not a charismatic crossover star like Ali, SRL, or ODLH; nor is he a human highlight real like roy jones. If anything, he's not given the benefit of the doubt...because he not that likeable.

Pac in contrast is like JCC: a valiant warrior who taps into the primitive appeal that is boxing. On top of that he has a huge nationalistic and identity based following, very similar to Chavez. I think its therefore very difficult for Pac fans to see the situation objectively. There's too much emotion involved.

I find it very unlikely, short of new developments, that history will blame PBF if this fight fails to materialize. Regardless or whether or not we think Pac is cheating, and I don't think he is, his legacy will take a great hit if he fails to fight his most worthy opponent.

[Violent Demise]

The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue

[boozeboxer]

The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue

you respond with a picture of a man fishing?

[Violent Demise]

The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue

you respond with a picture of a man fishing?

The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.

[boozeboxer]

The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue

you respond with a picture of a man fishing?

The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.

Obviously went over my head? It looks like the time I have been away you have spent driving a minivan and hating Pac playing gangster than anything else. I believe I have read and understood everything on this thread. I was just pointing out that if someone had responded to one of your posts with a gay ass picture of someone fishing, you would have responded negatively.

[:::PSL:::]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan.
So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back
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[Julius Rain]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan.
So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back
.

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Holyshite!

haha after reading the first sentence I already knew this was full with bull shit.

[Violent Demise]

Outstanding thread, if I do say so myself. Violent D never been hesitant to criticize his favorites. Pacquiao is no exception. It actually pained me to make this thread. But it had to be done

[InTheNeutralCorner]

So Violent Demise, after the collapse of the last Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation, what is your "Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao"?

[Julius Rain]

Outstanding thread, if I do say so myself. Violent D never been hesitant to criticize his favorites. Pacquiao is no exception. It actually pained me to make this thread. But it had to be done

This is sad.

[Kel]

Fuck me, what happened to VD?

Pac fan? What's going on fella? This is weired.

[gsi]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

This post is interesting on many levels. You are assuming he is guilty and he must prove that he's innocent. I assume you are American so it's interesting you have this viewpoint which is opposite of the 'innocent until proven guilty' norm. I beleive Pac has passed every drug test he's taken. Refusal to take additional test mandated from your opponent is not an admission of guilt

You also say that that Pac is a fraud for not taking blood tests. Using that logic, I beleive you would have to remove everyone including Floyd from your list. How many fights has Floyd had where he was subject to random blood tests? I think none but I may be wrong. He could very easily have been cycling on and off PED's through his career but just not be on them now - we'll never know. THat applys to everyone on the list.

I agree that blood testing should become standard practice in boxing - it's insane that it's not. But this should be done at the commission level.

[Nameless]

Manny is not guilty till he get caught. However, if ever he refuses any blood test at a normal period to detect substances, he'll raise questions eternally over his case and that, for some seriously right reasons. Till I see if he accepts or not, I won't say he's a cheat, just that he raises lot of eyebrows.

[mnmc10]

"I always been a massive Pacquiao fan"

ahahaha you just made yourself look like a clown man! people dont respect you here for being a badmouth pacfan hating scum. congratulations you are now a clown too!

[Violent Demise]

Manny is not guilty till he get caught. However, if ever he refuses any blood test at a normal period to detect substances, he'll raise questions eternally over his case and that, for some seriously right reasons. Till I see if he accepts or not, I won't say he's a cheat, just that he raises lot of eyebrows.

The fact that he rather enter the courtroom instead of the ring speaks volumes.