How much do you REALLY know about boxing???

[CFH]

I haven't looked at boxingtalk in ages. There was actually a period of about a year (that coincided with my joining here) where I was obsessed with the sport and learning as much as possible about it as I could so I think I do know a fair bit but the last few years I've just been coasting on that previous knowledge.

CFH, are you insinuating that you know as much as TM?

How many of you people know as much as I do about Niccolino Loche? Who was James Toney's first trainer? Which fighter did TM want an apology from in blood?

Not at all man, I'm not "in the buis"

Why would you write it as "buis" anyways? Business is spelled with the "i" following the "s", not before.

[OumaFan]

I haven't looked at boxingtalk in ages. There was actually a period of about a year (that coincided with my joining here) where I was obsessed with the sport and learning as much as possible about it as I could so I think I do know a fair bit but the last few years I've just been coasting on that previous knowledge.

CFH, are you insinuating that you know as much as TM?

How many of you people know as much as I do about Niccolino Loche? Who was James Toney's first trainer? Which fighter did TM want an apology from in blood?

Not at all man, I'm not "in the buis"

Why would you write it as "buis" anyways? Business is spelled with the "i" following the "s", not before.

"I'm in the busi" sounds kind of silly though. TM 1-CFH 0. LOL its not really that close of course.

[CFH]

I haven't looked at boxingtalk in ages. There was actually a period of about a year (that coincided with my joining here) where I was obsessed with the sport and learning as much as possible about it as I could so I think I do know a fair bit but the last few years I've just been coasting on that previous knowledge.

CFH, are you insinuating that you know as much as TM?

How many of you people know as much as I do about Niccolino Loche? Who was James Toney's first trainer? Which fighter did TM want an apology from in blood?

Not at all man, I'm not "in the buis"

Why would you write it as "buis" anyways? Business is spelled with the "i" following the "s", not before.

"I'm in the busi" sounds kind of silly though. TM 1-CFH 0. LOL its not really that close of course.

Did you just quote me?

I never thought I'd see the day and now that it is here I feel strangely empty.

[OumaFan]

None of you, Bill Miller, Anthony Mora (and he wanted it written in Mora's blood, not somebody else's.)

[CFH]

I do use boxrec to fact-check sometimes. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that. The information is out there, so why not look it up? I've actually learned some interesting things from boxrec.

[killersheep]

I don't know a thing about boxing. I use boxrec for facts, especially for dates and timelines. I try to watch as much boxing as I can in a week ESPN2, Vs. Telemundo, Telefutura, HBO, Showtime, Fox Sports, TyC streams, ARD streams, Sky streams, etc. etc. I have trained a bit and sparred a bit at a few local gyms. I don't know any pros.

[Spicoli]

I think some of it may come down to sites,box rec as somewhat of a crutch for lack of a better term.Like when some,no one around here of courssssse,talk about "remembering" certain fights or fighters.I fooking love Box rec and the record books but stating a fight line result and speaking on it as unshakable truth does not began to tell how it unfolded.The old saying,believe none of what u read and half of what u see... wait...F it.

I mean shite...not only Boxrec but U tube,other major downloads...have changed the sport and made it possible to follow much more intensely.

[Kel]

Loved boxing since watching it regular on 'The Big Fight Live' on ITV when I was about 10 or 11. Watching Eubank, Naz and Benn with my pot noodle and single can of beer my dad would give me.

I boxed for 3 years in my teens without really watching much boxing as it all started to go PPV and what not and my tight arsed parents were content with 5 terrestrial channels.

Once I got a job at 17 I started buying PPV's on cable and once again got massively into it.

Got the internet installed a year or so after we got cable and that was it. I was a reader of this place quite a while before I joined and I reckon about 60% of all I know about boxing came from Saddo's.

A MASSIVE thrill for me was watching all the ODLH,Vargas,Mosley,Trinidad,Mayorga fights I'd missed over the years which I got thanks to this site. Catching up on boxing and having a place to access it all gave me the buzz back in a big way.

Anyway what was the question? Jotting down my fucking life story here.........Yeah I think I know quite a lot but it's mainly due to this place. There is no better way to learn stuff other than talking to other fans.

[Fenster]

It's beyond sad TM wont be replying to this thread, he would have LOVED it.

Whatever you boring fuckers write it wont be a patch on that awesome lunatic. Fact.

[Hulk]

It's beyond sad TM wont be replying to this thread, he would have LOVED it.

Whatever you boring fuckers write it wont be a patch on that awesome lunatic. Fact.

What ever happened to Trainer Monkey ?

I thought he was a nice guy myself.

I know he trained club level fighters and his wife who was a female boxer.

Did he get banned ?

[CFH]

It's beyond sad TM wont be replying to this thread, he would have LOVED it.

Whatever you boring fuckers write it wont be a patch on that awesome lunatic. Fact.

What ever happened to Trainer Monkey ?

I thought he was a nice guy myself.

I know he trained club level fighters and his wife who was a female boxer.

Did he get banned ?

He left voluntarily. It looked something like this:

[BoxingGorilla]

I am just wondering how some people get their information on boxing....

I mean how long have you been watching the sport, how many fights have you really seen be it in person or video, have you ever really been in a gym other then a few times hitting the bag...Do you actually know any fighters and that does not mean third hand because you know a guy who knows a guy.....Can you actually get into a debate on a fighters career without having to look at boxrec to see if they won or lost a fight?....

Seriously though I am wondering because it seems so many people these days actually know little about boxing itself other then what they get off the internet yet they will try to debate things as if they know it first hand...

EG- When someone says Fighter A wants X amount of dollars to face Fighter B and a ring size of 16X16...But Fighter B states they wont fight in a ring less then 20X20..

Where do you get your info from?...Website, ESPN, chatroom, Reliable news source like a newspaper or do you get it from Forums and gossip columns

It what you are saying based on REAL boxing knowledge or all second hand info

I've been watching since I was a youngster.

I can debate with people my age but the old folk usually throw out some ridiculous name that auotmatically makes them the winner simply because I have never heard of this off-the-wall person.

The problem is you only really "know" what has taken place within your lifetime. The rest of it you are getting second or thrid hand anyway.

Most of it boils down to a persons ability to reason. A smart man knows how to apply commen sense to just about any topic.

Urango slow. Urango want small ring when Urango fight.

Mayweather fast. Mayweather want big ring when Mayweather fight.

[Jimmy G-Force]

I am just wondering how some people get their information on boxing....

I mean how long have you been watching the sport, how many fights have you really seen be it in person or video, have you ever really been in a gym other then a few times hitting the bag...Do you actually know any fighters and that does not mean third hand because you know a guy who knows a guy.....Can you actually get into a debate on a fighters career without having to look at boxrec to see if they won or lost a fight?....

Seriously though I am wondering because it seems so many people these days actually know little about boxing itself other then what they get off the internet yet they will try to debate things as if they know it first hand...

EG- When someone says Fighter A wants X amount of dollars to face Fighter B and a ring size of 16X16...But Fighter B states they wont fight in a ring less then 20X20..

Where do you get your info from?...Website, ESPN, chatroom, Reliable news source like a newspaper or do you get it from Forums and gossip columns

It what you are saying based on REAL boxing knowledge or all second hand info

My very first memories of boxing were when I was 6 years old, I remember watching Hagler smash Alan Minter to pieces on T.V. Then after that I guess it was Hagler again 3 years later doing pretty much the same thing to Tony Sibson. My Mam liked boxing back then I guess, hence the reason I saw these fights live. Honeyghan v Curry, Bumphus then Blocker and Starling I also remember watching live on T.V.

It wasnt until I was maybe 12 or so when I got my first Boxing VHS tape which was called Champions Forever. I must have watched that 100 times, and was fascinated by Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes and Norton.

Then Tyson came along and I was hooked. My favourite fighters during my teens were Micheal Nunn, Jorge Paez ( I remember a fight when he had a Batman emblem shaved into his head ), Meldrick Taylor, James Toney, RJJ and Oscar. I remember shedding a tear the night Chavez lost his first fight to Frankie Randall, I even remember where I was that day. I was boxing obsessed at this time, but this was way before the internet in my world.

There was a time that I could tell you every champion from every division, but I certainly couldnt do that now. I also subscribed to that monthly magazine that came with a free boxing video and pretty much owned the lot. That gave me an insight into all the fighters before my time. Sugar Ray Robinson, Walcott, Marciano, Tunney, Johnson, everyone really.

The Fab Four VHS tape was another of my favourites giving me all I needed to know about Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and Duran.

The birth of the net saw me download pretty much every major fight in history, I became an anorak and had to see the likes of Salvador Sanchez, Wilfredo Gomez, Aaron Pryor and the magnifcent Arguello to name but a very few.

I remember shedding my first boxing tear when Benn lost to Watson, I was a huge Nigel Benn fan. The same went for Tyson v Douglas, but I had to listen to that on the radio at stupid o'clock in the morning. I remember waking up the next day thinking my world had ended, and a myth shattered.

I seem to know at times alot more than I actually think, mainly due to the fact I dont follow boxing as religiously as I once did. I will never miss a Marquee fight but I no longer make sure I watch every domestic fight I can, like I once did. There is still nothing that sends a shiver down my spine like the atmosphere of a big fight, and I dont think anything ever will.

I've followed Roy, Oscar and Hatton from the very early days, and they have always been my top 3 fighters, more so Ricky, as thanks to Saddo I became someone he calls a friend.

I feel at times though that I'm at the end of a special era, boxing for the most part, unless it's a big fight doesnt get me as excited as it once did. For me, there doesnt seem to be many fighters out there coming through that get me excited like they once was.

Juan Manuel Lopez is someone I really like the look of, and Gamboa last time out was the first time I'd caught him, and he looks impressive, but it's early days yet.

I have become a huge fan of MMA, and watch everything related to this sport. UFC, Strikeforce, Dream and the WEC, I never miss a show. MMA is something that I've come to really appreciate over the years. At one time, due to my intense boxing background, I hated watching the ground game and preferred the striking only fights. Now it's the opposite, and I love JiuJitsu, especially now I understand the technical side of it. And I've started training it myself. I've done some boxing before on various occasions, but only for fitness, I was never really any good.

I've always been very good though at picking fights, but never bet. I dont know why, I could have made some serious money, for the most part usually getting within a few rounds if a KO or picking the decision correctly for the most part. Probably less so now, as like I say, my current knowledge isnt anywhere near as up to date as it used to be. Although there is very little I dont know about MMA as I follow this like I used to follow boxing. Boxing will always be my first love, but MMA is a very close second these days.

I have met plenty of professional boxers over the years, and never really met an arsehole, although Eamon Magee was a bit of a prick. I've been to countless live events over years and loved every one. I've read many books over years, usually boxing autobiographys or anything by Thomas Hauser. I have written alot of boxing articles myself over the years, and obviously learnt alot through research for them. I have been here and known Saddo as a friend since day one.

Now I'm boring myself so I'll stop there ........

[DaxxKahn]

Good stuff from all you Gents....Thanks for the replies and Honesty....I was not trying to see who knows more then anyone else...Never was trying to say if you got info from the internet or Boxrec, magazines etc it means you did not know enough about boxing or it was the wrong way to get info...I mean hell if that was the case NOONE would know anything about Boxing or anything else for that matter that existed before they were born.....

Was more or less just seeing how this knowledge came about.....I really don't think anyone who post here is the type that keeps boxrec or wikipedia open in a seperate tab so when debating they can look up the info and seem as if they know everything...I mean for anyone to say they or act as if they know everything is just plain ass obnoxious....I was reading an article on Yahoo abt Freddie Roach turning 50 and somewhere in there he mentioned he is still learning so if a guy Like Roach is still learning i know I certainly don't know a 10th of what Freddie does.......Though it would be nice to have the knowledge he does and make his type of money

So again thanks for all the replies I was actually surprised so many people did reply to the thread and Sorry to anyone who might have been offened or thought this was a thread to try and act as if I was a know it all...

Rep to those I didn't later...I gave out too much in 24