Dominance! (There will be spoilers about Wlad-Chambers)

[Mar]

There's no spoilers here....wlad wins !!?? No freakin way. Any guy povetkin can beat wlad can beat better. Same thing would happen to haye. If he'd quit running his mouth drawing pictures and fighting slow circus freaks...

[JohnnyKickAss]

There's no spoilers here....wlad wins !!?? No freakin way. Any guy povetkin can beat wlad can beat better. Same thing would happen to haye. If he'd quit running his mouth drawing pictures and fighting slow circus freaks...

HaHa...Ruiz or Valuev or both ?

[jon09]

You know it amazes me when a heavyweight is called boring when he plays safety 1st, but when a lighter fighter does the same thing he is a defensive wizard and or technician ie BHop, Floyd Mayweather and they get called atg's; Now I'm not necessarily comparing him to them but the man is cleaning out the heavyweights no matter how you look at it and if there was another division above heavyweights I'm sure Vlad would rule that too. Another heavyweight bites the dust and people still knock him. I tell you what nobody in this era is going to beat a 100% Vlad unless they put their nuts out there and go for broke like Sanders did. Lennox Lewis could be boring as hell but he is in alot of atg heavyweight list without fighting Bowe, Moorer, Byrd or a rubber match with Evander or even fighting Vlad and he had been knocked out twice himself by lesser opponents and could put people to sleep (see Mavrovic and Tua fights) with his dull style. Vlad at this point should be in the p4p top 10 and deserves all the credit he has earned. He has lost before but like a true champion he has learned from his mistakes and this has made him a complete fighter. He will be missed when he is gone and no one is there to fill the void when the time comes...Long live Vlad and his dominant reign as heavyweight king. And kudos to Manny Steward for chipping away the final pebbles to his latest masterpiece.

[Taeth]

I don't think this is fair. The guy Chambers' fought before Wlad was actually a little bigger than Wlad and quick and had good technical skills. Chagaev beat up Valuev. I don't think height alone is the reason Wlad is so good. Also using Corrie Sanders as an analogy to say what Wlad isn't good IMO is a little unfair. It's like saying Pep wasn't good because he couldn't get the better of Saddler. Or Marquez against Mayweather. I think stylewise, Sanders who is quick, southpaw, taller, and heavyhanded is the worst matchup for Wladimir. He would do a lot better against a orthodox fighter with those same traits, but a tall southpaw has too easy of a time landing on Wlad because his chin simply isn't good enough, and nobody can avoid a quick southpaw forever. I honestly think Wlad would have beaten almost everyone from the 90's and 70's when heavyweight boxing was in its "glory days"

[DaxxKahn]

I don't think this is fair. The guy Chambers' fought before Wlad was actually a little bigger than Wlad and quick and had good technical skills. Chagaev beat up Valuev. I don't think height alone is the reason Wlad is so good. Also using Corrie Sanders as an analogy to say what Wlad isn't good IMO is a little unfair. It's like saying Pep wasn't good because he couldn't get the better of Saddler. Or Marquez against Mayweather. I think stylewise, Sanders who is quick, southpaw, taller, and heavyhanded is the worst matchup for Wladimir. He would do a lot better against a orthodox fighter with those same traits, but a tall southpaw has too easy of a time landing on Wlad because his chin simply isn't good enough, and nobody can avoid a quick southpaw forever. I honestly think Wlad would have beaten almost everyone from the 90's and 70's when heavyweight boxing was in its "glory days"

Well not only what you said (which was summed up pretty well and agreed too many people use a fight from too long ago as basis to judge him)...But seriously Wlad was a whole different fighter then....That was 7 years ago...

It would be like people dismissing everything Lennox Lewis accomplished because of his loss to MCCall

[eagleskins]

If Lennonx Lewis happened to be gay, he would be ripped constantly on this board. Wlad is an unreal good heavy weight.

[DaxxKahn]

If Lennonx Lewis happened to be white, he would be ripped constantly on this board. Wlad is an unreal good heavy weight.

Sorry don't know who you are or where you have posted in the past but guys around here don't make assumptions, hate/love fighters due to color....

Opinions of the people here are on what they believe of the fighters style, accomplishments, decisions etc...

And since your new I will catch you up to speed...Lennox is/has been ripped plenty on these boards

[CFH]

He's truly a special fighter who may never be appreciated in his time.

Hi guys, I can't agree with you here for two simple reasons. This weekend's fight (March 20, 2010):

• At the beginning of the fight Wlad knocked Chambers' gloves down, but didn't return the opposite greet.
• At the end of the fight, Wlad swung at and punched Chambers while he was down and out.

Anyway, Chambers' team (trainer) could've / should've thrown in the towel when Chambers got shook-up the first time in round 12. No need to have him suffer like that, I hope that someone will see it and actually replace that incompetent kind of leadership (as Chambers was awesome, against the unstoppable force, until he got totally worn-out I'm guessing).

Thanks for reading, hope it wasn't boring.

P.S. There are two threads, one old and a fresh one @

• saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/58563-wlad-vs-chambers-3.html
• saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/59696-klitschko-chambers-weekend-anyone-else-excited.html

Welcome to the forum.

[CFH]

If Lennonx Lewis happened to be white, he would be ripped constantly on this board. Wlad is an unreal good heavy weight.

Because we're all a bunch of black-supremacists?

I've never noticed any racial bias in terms of which fighters are criticized on here.

[Pugilistic]

Check the sig.

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[DaxxKahn]

Check the sig.

owned.

People can say what they want but that is a hard sig to argue with

[Majesty]

You know it amazes me when a heavyweight is called boring when he plays safety 1st, but when a lighter fighter does the same thing he is a defensive wizard and or technician ie BHop, Floyd Mayweather and they get called atg's; Now I'm not necessarily comparing him to them but the man is cleaning out the heavyweights no matter how you look at it and if there was another division above heavyweights I'm sure Vlad would rule that too. Another heavyweight bites the dust and people still knock him. I tell you what nobody in this era is going to beat a 100% Vlad unless they put their nuts out there and go for broke like Sanders did. Lennox Lewis could be boring as hell but he is in alot of atg heavyweight list without fighting Bowe, Moorer, Byrd or a rubber match with Evander or even fighting Vlad and he had been knocked out twice himself by lesser opponents and could put people to sleep (see Mavrovic and Tua fights) with his dull style. Vlad at this point should be in the p4p top 10 and deserves all the credit he has earned. He has lost before but like a true champion he has learned from his mistakes and this has made him a complete fighter. He will be missed when he is gone and no one is there to fill the void when the time comes...Long live Vlad and his dominant reign as heavyweight king. And kudos to Manny Steward for chipping away the final pebbles to his latest masterpiece.

There is a very big difference between being a defensive master. And playing it safe when you have every physical advantage on a fighter. Wladimer jabs jabs jabs and grabs which he should be warned for.

Wladimer fights like he is scared to get knocked out again. Wladimer has size, power, speed, and accuracy on Chambers, explain to me why he has to jab for 12 rounds before finishing him.

You cannot compare him to Floyd or Whitaker or any defensive fighter.

Mayweather has speed over most anyone he faces and has the best defense in the business, yet when he has the opening he stops his opponents, and knocks them out and when he has a fighter hurt he goes for the kill when its there.

With Wladimer, it's been "there" for the last 6 rounds before he decided to do anything about it.

There's a difference between a boring fighter and a defensive artist. What Wlad does isn't being a defensive master its being scared to be knocked out again.

When you have reach, size, weight, He had a near 50 pound weight advantage. And power!!!

Tell me how someone with all these strengths waits for the 12th round to get someone out that he should get out in 4 or 5 rounds?

And don't say "its up to someone to bring it out of him and make him use it" That makes no sense, so he should wait till he gets hurt in a fight before he starts to use all the advantages he has? If anything prolonging a fight cause you're scared to go for the kill only makes another fighter braver and likens your chance to be stopped. There is no excuse to justify how Wladimer fights, so don't look for one.

[Pugilistic]

Corrie Sanders

This version of Wlad would destroy Sanders.

Hard to say that really, Wladimir Klitschko hasn't really met a dangerous fighter like Corrie Sanders for some years now. It was Corrie Sander's speed and aggression that won him the fight, he literally stormed out in the 1st round and Wladimir Klitschko never had a chance.

I honestly don't think Wladimir Klitschko, could deal with a prime/dangerous Corrie Sanders. And he certainly wouldn't be able to just cruise to victory by using his jab either, his jab wouldn't be as effective against a Southpaw, especially a fast Southpaw like Corrie Sanders.

Remember even Vitali Klitschko had to take some hard shots, from Corrie Sanders before he won. Especially in the 1st round where he was quite badly stunned, Wladimir Klitschko wouldn't of been able to survive that onslaught.

Styles make fights and just because Wladimir Klitschko has improved, mostly due to the fact he fights more cautiously. Doesn't mean he would beat Corrie Sanders, i just can't see Wladimir Klitschko being able to hide behind his jab all night.

Considering Corrie Sanders is a Southpaw, is very quick handed. Plus he has a fair dig aswell.

Corrie Sanders is a tough fight for Wlad no doubt. His handspeed was sneaky and he had good pop.

I personally think that Wlad could deal with that now though.

Since then Wlad has learned to control the pace and distance better, his footwork has improved, he is alot harder to hit now and he learned that him fighting on the inside isn't a good idea which is why he ties up his opponents.

Wlad has proved he can deal with speedy guys like Byrd and Chambers as well.

I would see the current version of Wlad controlling the fight with his jab, he wouldn't come forward against Sanders like he did before either, When Sanders did open up Klitschko would use his superior footwork to get out of the way and reset with his jab. His right hand would be a key weapon as well. It wouldn't be easy though and Sanders would always have a punchers chance.

Comparing Vitali and Wlad is a bit pointless imo, they have two different styles.

Wlad is more cautious, has the superior boxing ability/footwork/defense,etc where Vitali is more offensive and is more durable but is easier to hit.

[Gandalf]

You know it amazes me when a heavyweight is called boring when he plays safety 1st, but when a lighter fighter does the same thing he is a defensive wizard and or technician ie BHop, Floyd Mayweather and they get called atg's; Now I'm not necessarily comparing him to them but the man is cleaning out the heavyweights no matter how you look at it and if there was another division above heavyweights I'm sure Vlad would rule that too. Another heavyweight bites the dust and people still knock him. I tell you what nobody in this era is going to beat a 100% Vlad unless they put their nuts out there and go for broke like Sanders did. Lennox Lewis could be boring as hell but he is in alot of atg heavyweight list without fighting Bowe, Moorer, Byrd or a rubber match with Evander or even fighting Vlad and he had been knocked out twice himself by lesser opponents and could put people to sleep (see Mavrovic and Tua fights) with his dull style. Vlad at this point should be in the p4p top 10 and deserves all the credit he has earned. He has lost before but like a true champion he has learned from his mistakes and this has made him a complete fighter. He will be missed when he is gone and no one is there to fill the void when the time comes...Long live Vlad and his dominant reign as heavyweight king. And kudos to Manny Steward for chipping away the final pebbles to his latest masterpiece.

There is a very big difference between being a defensive master. And playing it safe when you have every physical advantage on a fighter. Wladimer jabs jabs jabs and grabs which he should be warned for.

Wladimer fights like he is scared to get knocked out again. Wladimer has size, power, speed, and accuracy on Chambers, explain to me why he has to jab for 12 rounds before finishing him.

You cannot compare him to Floyd or Whitaker or any defensive fighter.

Mayweather has speed over most anyone he faces and has the best defense in the business, yet when he has the opening he stops his opponents, and knocks them out and when he has a fighter hurt he goes for the kill when its there.

With Wladimer, it's been "there" for the last 6 rounds before he decided to do anything about it.

There's a difference between a boring fighter and a defensive artist. What Wlad does isn't being a defensive master its being scared to be knocked out again.

When you have reach, size, weight, He had a near 50 pound weight advantage. And power!!!

Tell me how someone with all these strengths waits for the 12th round to get someone out that he should get out in 4 or 5 rounds?

And don't say "its up to someone to bring it out of him and make him use it" That makes no sense, so he should wait till he gets hurt in a fight before he starts to use all the advantages he has? If anything prolonging a fight cause you're scared to go for the kill only makes another fighter braver and likens your chance to be stopped. There is no excuse to justify how Wladimer fights, so don't look for one.

Good post. In no other division can you hold such obvious advantages over your opponents and he plays it extremely safe in order to make the win. You have to respect him doing what he needs to do to win, but why on earth are 50, 000 people wanting to see it? It is bloody boring.

Jab, jab, jab then clinch if he can. I quite like how Chambers picked him up twice. I would like to see more of that. Chambers was simply too small and had the wrong style. What we need is either more big heavyweights who can deploy the same tools Wlad does or a strong smaller heavyweight who will move the head, slip and get inside and fire off punches before Wlad can. Someone like prime Tyson would have eaten Wlad Klitschko up for breakfast. Klitschko is really no defensive master, not at all. He just looks decent against fighters who give up trying to win and who turn all Clottey-esque on us.

[Pugilistic]

You know it amazes me when a heavyweight is called boring when he plays safety 1st, but when a lighter fighter does the same thing he is a defensive wizard and or technician ie BHop, Floyd Mayweather and they get called atg's; Now I'm not necessarily comparing him to them but the man is cleaning out the heavyweights no matter how you look at it and if there was another division above heavyweights I'm sure Vlad would rule that too. Another heavyweight bites the dust and people still knock him. I tell you what nobody in this era is going to beat a 100% Vlad unless they put their nuts out there and go for broke like Sanders did. Lennox Lewis could be boring as hell but he is in alot of atg heavyweight list without fighting Bowe, Moorer, Byrd or a rubber match with Evander or even fighting Vlad and he had been knocked out twice himself by lesser opponents and could put people to sleep (see Mavrovic and Tua fights) with his dull style. Vlad at this point should be in the p4p top 10 and deserves all the credit he has earned. He has lost before but like a true champion he has learned from his mistakes and this has made him a complete fighter. He will be missed when he is gone and no one is there to fill the void when the time comes...Long live Vlad and his dominant reign as heavyweight king. And kudos to Manny Steward for chipping away the final pebbles to his latest masterpiece.

There is a very big difference between being a defensive master. And playing it safe when you have every physical advantage on a fighter. Wladimer jabs jabs jabs and grabs which he should be warned for.

Wladimer fights like he is scared to get knocked out again. Wladimer has size, power, speed, and accuracy on Chambers, explain to me why he has to jab for 12 rounds before finishing him.

You cannot compare him to Floyd or Whitaker or any defensive fighter.

Mayweather has speed over most anyone he faces and has the best defense in the business, yet when he has the opening he stops his opponents, and knocks them out and when he has a fighter hurt he goes for the kill when its there.

With Wladimer, it's been "there" for the last 6 rounds before he decided to do anything about it.

There's a difference between a boring fighter and a defensive artist. What Wlad does isn't being a defensive master its being scared to be knocked out again.

When you have reach, size, weight, He had a near 50 pound weight advantage. And power!!!

Tell me how someone with all these strengths waits for the 12th round to get someone out that he should get out in 4 or 5 rounds?

And don't say "its up to someone to bring it out of him and make him use it" That makes no sense, so he should wait till he gets hurt in a fight before he starts to use all the advantages he has? If anything prolonging a fight cause you're scared to go for the kill only makes another fighter braver and likens your chance to be stopped. There is no excuse to justify how Wladimer fights, so don't look for one.

Good post. In no other division can you hold such obvious advantages over your opponents and he plays it extremely safe in order to make the win. You have to respect him doing what he needs to do to win, but why on earth are 50, 000 people wanting to see it? It is bloody boring.

Jab, jab, jab then clinch if he can. I quite like how Chambers picked him up twice. I would like to see more of that. Chambers was simply too small and had the wrong style. What we need is either more big heavyweights who can deploy the same tools Wlad does or a strong smaller heavyweight who will move the head, slip and get inside and fire off punches before Wlad can. Someone like prime Tyson would have eaten Wlad Klitschko up for breakfast. Klitschko is really no defensive master, not at all. He just looks decent against fighters who give up trying to win and who turn all Clottey-esque on us.

Although i agree that a prime Tyson would cause Wlad major problems because of the speed, power, head movement and angles, You shouldn't discredit Wlad's abilities in the ring and his achivements regardless of how weak the division is. Calzaghe and Hopkins are great fighters but the division's they dominated weren't that good really but there dominance was too good to go ignored. Wlad stylistically would actually cause Tyson alot of problems because of his size, reach advantage, great jab,etc. I would favor Mike though.

Wlad is a great boxer, he is awesome at fighting at his range and at controlling the pace, his footwork is great. His jab is deadly accurate and his right hand and left hook can take you out if landed clean. His handspeed is good for a fighter his size also. The only thing his game lacks is body work and an inside game but with his reach and height advantage he doesn't really need them.

Chambers did try and win tonight, he simply couldn't get past the jab and Wlad's footwork threw him off. When ever Eddie fired punches, Wlad would take a few steps back, avoid Eddie shots and start firing the jab again. Thats really frustrating for a fighter to deal with especially a accurate guy like Chambers.