So....is war in the Middle East imminent?

[Gandalf]

I hope it doesn't come down to war, but the double standards in the middle east are just astounding. Iran is to be sanctioned meanwhile Israel already has up to 300 nuclear warheads ready for use. Furthermore, they have a history of trying to sell said weaponry to other rogue states. With Israel's continued mistreatment of Gaza and frequent violations of international law they should be the ones suffering sanctions. Instead America uses the veto every single time and meanwhile continues to pump money into Israel. The hypocrisy is so blatant and there is not even any attempt to hide it.

The big difference is that Iran is run by a fucking lunatic. You may disagree with much of what Israel does, as do I, but Iran is run by a nutcase dictator who sees it as his duty to bring about the end of the world. That man should not under any circumstances be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

Israel appears to be heading along that path too right now. They are both quite unhinged. Weapons should be taken off of the both of them. To allow one to have them above the other is unjustified.

There is a huge difference between Ahmadinejad and any mainstream Israeli leader. They're incomparable.

I agree that Ahmadinejad is a loose cannon, but that doesn't escape the fact that Israel is the only nation in the region right now willing to step beyond loose rhetoric and actually use force to bully it's weak neighbors. You say they are incomparable, but I disagree.

Ahmadinejad is always running his mouth about this and that, but he never does anything about it. The region would better off nuclear free and that includes Israel too.

[killersheep]

I see no way, short of regime change and perhaps complete revolution in Iran, that war can be avoided.

Biblical stuff aside, what interests do China and Russia have in the Middle East that would cause them to go to war on the side of the Arabs? Is it just oil like everyone else? For some reason I always thought/assumed that China had their own oil resources.

China is the second highest consumer of oil at 7.99 million barrels per day, Russia comes in fourth at 2.8 million barrels per day.

China produces 3.725 million barrels per day which leaves a 4.265 million barrel a day deficit clearly the must make up that deficit

Russia on the other hand 9.876 millions barrels per day leaving a surplus of over 7 million barrels per day, however their government is run by oil tycoons, there is no that's enough oil scenario here.

Nobody is going to attack Iran while there is a possibility of a nuclear weapon (except maybe Israel of course, but the US, EU, UK will not be the ones to preemptively strike). The precedent has already been set by the worlds reaction to North Korea.

As to the point of Turkey siding with Iran, I don't think that's likely they know who has the bigger arsenal.

The frightening truth however is war is a very real possibility. As a microcosm of M.A.D. there are certainly reflections to be made about the cold war here, with war monger corporations (Lockheed, Northup Grumman etc.) making vast fortunes. The difference being Gorbachev and Reagan were much more stable heads of state. And currently the puppeteers of the middle east from around the globe standing to make vast fortunes on raping the desert of it's oil.

[mattboxingfan]

Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys

[Kev]

Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys

ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

[mattboxingfan]

Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys

ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

Thanks for that Bilbo! Is Iran's leader a muslim? And i've just read up a bit on the subject and im stumped as to why Israel is killing all these innocent Iranians?

[Kev]

Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys

ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

Thanks for that Bilbo! Is Iran's leader a muslim? And i've just read up a bit on the subject and im stumped as to why Israel is killing all these innocent Iranians?

Yes aside from Israel the entire Middle East is muslim,and the Arab muslims despise the Jews. If you picture a Tolkienesque landscape with a few thousand beautiful and noble, immortal elves surrounded by millions and millions of ugly Orcs and Urak Hai led by dark sorcerers and evil overlords you'll have the right picture.

This has been going on for 3500 years with those mighty immortal elves (Jews) facing down the Dark Hordes in impossible circumstances. My sig will show you the nations and civilisations stupid enough to think they could take out the Jewish race and the status table will show you how that worked out for them.

If Iran and the Arab world do attack Israel they will get beaten worse and more one sidedly than Ricky Hatton against Manny Pacquaio

[mattboxingfan]

Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys

ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

Thanks for that Bilbo! Is Iran's leader a muslim? And i've just read up a bit on the subject and im stumped as to why Israel is killing all these innocent Iranians?

Yes aside from Israel the entire Middle East is muslim,and the Arab muslims despise the Jews. If you picture a Tolkienesque landscape with a few thousand beautiful and noble, immortal elves surrounded by millions and millions of ugly Orcs and Urak Hai led by dark sorcerers and evil overlords you'll have the right picture.

This has been going on for 3500 years with those mighty immortal elves (Jews) facing down the Dark Hordes in impossible circumstances. My sig will show you the nations and civilisations stupid enough to think they could take out the Jewish race and the status table will show you how that worked out for them.

If Iran and the Arab world do attack Israel they will get beaten worse and more one sidedly than Ricky Hatton against Manny Pacquaio

How so? Surely with Russia and China they would be some force?

[Kev]

Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys

ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

Thanks for that Bilbo! Is Iran's leader a muslim? And i've just read up a bit on the subject and im stumped as to why Israel is killing all these innocent Iranians?

Yes aside from Israel the entire Middle East is muslim,and the Arab muslims despise the Jews. If you picture a Tolkienesque landscape with a few thousand beautiful and noble, immortal elves surrounded by millions and millions of ugly Orcs and Urak Hai led by dark sorcerers and evil overlords you'll have the right picture.

This has been going on for 3500 years with those mighty immortal elves (Jews) facing down the Dark Hordes in impossible circumstances. My sig will show you the nations and civilisations stupid enough to think they could take out the Jewish race and the status table will show you how that worked out for them.

If Iran and the Arab world do attack Israel they will get beaten worse and more one sidedly than Ricky Hatton against Manny Pacquaio

How so? Surely with Russia and China they would be some force?

Yeah you would think, but the Jews have.....other advantages. Seriously if every nation on earth waged war against Isreal (and it will happen eventually) Israel will still win.

[mattboxingfan]

Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys

ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

Thanks for that Bilbo! Is Iran's leader a muslim? And i've just read up a bit on the subject and im stumped as to why Israel is killing all these innocent Iranians?

Yes aside from Israel the entire Middle East is muslim,and the Arab muslims despise the Jews. If you picture a Tolkienesque landscape with a few thousand beautiful and noble, immortal elves surrounded by millions and millions of ugly Orcs and Urak Hai led by dark sorcerers and evil overlords you'll have the right picture.

This has been going on for 3500 years with those mighty immortal elves (Jews) facing down the Dark Hordes in impossible circumstances. My sig will show you the nations and civilisations stupid enough to think they could take out the Jewish race and the status table will show you how that worked out for them.

If Iran and the Arab world do attack Israel they will get beaten worse and more one sidedly than Ricky Hatton against Manny Pacquaio

How so? Surely with Russia and China they would be some force?

Yeah you would think, but the Jews have.....other advantages. Seriously if every nation on earth waged war against Isreal (and it will happen eventually) Israel will still win.

What! No way!?

[Kev]

This is a typical Iranian Presidential speech



I like how wears that shitty little jacket all the time as well. There are literally dozens of videos of him on the net and he's always in that little jacket. He's shorter than me and looks like a gnarled and sun baked desert goblin or something.

[mattboxingfan]

This is a typical Iranian Presidential speech



I like how wears that shitty little jacket all the time as well. There are literally dozens of videos of him on the net and he's always in that little jacket. He's shorter than me and looks like a gnarled and sun baked desert goblin or something.

What a whacko!

[Kirkland Laing]

There isn't going to be anything resembling a war in the region, only very one-sided military action by a rogue nation. If anything happens it'll be Israel, with its scaled-down version of the US army, attacking one of its infinitely weaker neighbours. It won't spread any further than that, China, Russia etc. would not get involved. Absent any Israeli attack there'll be no attacks on Israel by any other country. America doesn't want Israel bombing Iran while they have tens of thousands of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan in situations Iran could make much worse for America should they want to do so. Israel would have to get permission from America to overfly Iraq in order to attack Iran so if it does happen the world would know that America agreed to the bombing. This would have big consequences in Iraq/Afghanistan.

And bombing Iran wouldn't prevent them getting a nuke, quite the opposite in fact. Right now Iran aren't building a nuke and the only thing that would make them do it is an Israeli and/or US attack. Even if Iran started building a nuke tomorrow attacking them would only delay them building one, not prevent it. Also nobody is going to invade Iran. America couldn't handle an insurgency derived from 5 million Iraqi Sunnis, they had to agree to withdraw after failing in their objectives. No way could America fight an insurgency derived from 50 million pissed-off Iranians who only kicked America's imposed dictator out a generation ago. Plus you have the oil issue, nobody wants skyrocketing oil prices with such a fragile recovery. Any attack on Iran probably is years away, but who knows with a rogue regime in charge in Tel Aviv.

More likely is Israel bombing Lebanon, Syria, or the Palestinians again, and that's probably a reverse order of likelyhood. As in the past this is most likely to happen before a general election in Israel or at a point when the government needs more political capital or prevent what exists of the Arab-Israeli peace process making progress.

[Kirkland Laing]

I hope it doesn't come down to war, but the double standards in the middle east are just astounding. Iran is to be sanctioned meanwhile Israel already has up to 300 nuclear warheads ready for use. Furthermore, they have a history of trying to sell said weaponry to other rogue states. With Israel's continued mistreatment of Gaza and frequent violations of international law they should be the ones suffering sanctions. Instead America uses the veto every single time and meanwhile continues to pump money into Israel. The hypocrisy is so blatant and there is not even any attempt to hide it.

The big difference is that Iran is run by a fucking lunatic. You may disagree with much of what Israel does, as do I, but Iran is run by a nutcase dictator who sees it as his duty to bring about the end of the world. That man should not under any circumstances be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

Israel appears to be heading along that path too right now. They are both quite unhinged. Weapons should be taken off of the both of them. To allow one to have them above the other is unjustified.

There is a huge difference between Ahmadinejad and any mainstream Israeli leader. They're incomparable.

I agree that Ahmadinejad is a loose cannon, but that doesn't escape the fact that Israel is the only nation in the region right now willing to step beyond loose rhetoric and actually use force to bully it's weak neighbors. You say they are incomparable, but I disagree.

Ahmadinejad is always running his mouth about this and that, but he never does anything about it. The region would better off nuclear free and that includes Israel too.

Ahmadinejad has never threatened military action on Israel. And he's got zero control over foreign policy or the Iranian army, that's down to the clerics who've consistently said that Iran would never attack any other country unless attacked first. Ahmadinejad is like the mayor of Iran. He runs the country, the clerics rule the nation.

[Gandalf]

Yep, totally agree Kirkland. Hating the Israeli's is far different than going all out to actually invade and try to destroy them. Obviously Iran doesn't have the power to do that and wouldn't be so brazen. The only way a conflict starts is if Israel itself once again goes off the handle.

[Kev]

Yep, totally agree Kirkland. Hating the Israeli's is far different than going all out to actually invade and try to destroy them. Obviously Iran doesn't have the power to do that and wouldn't be so brazen. The only way a conflict starts is if Israel itself once again goes off the handle.

Once again When was the last time? They act only in self defence.