Manny Pacquiao sometimes we forget just how good he really is

[Nameless]

Somehow, the more I think about it, the more I give Manny a good run against Mayweather. I agree that skill wise, Mayweather is the best. However, the recipe to beat Mayweather lies in lot of pressure, lot of speed volume in punching and good power. Castillo in their first fight should have won, he unsettled Mayweather by being very aggressive and throwing loads of shot. Hatton made quite well in the first few rounds with his bull pressure, only to get beaten by lack of skill. Pacquiao is a different beast though, he has speed the two others didn't have, a much better firepower and he can throw shots endlessly without tiring. And when he lands, it hurts. If he nailed down Cotto, Marquez or the very durable Morales, he can sure knock down Mayweather. I could imagine a fight where Mayweather wins the first few rounds based on skills but get hurt in the middle run by some of the shots that will eventually land to be knocked out toward the end of the fight. At least, PAcquiao has all the very rare and hard to combine ingredients to make it happen.

[mnmc10]

there is no question pbf is far more superior than pac boxing skills wise. and to add to what nameless said pbf got rocked by mosley. it only shows that pbf can get hit and with the right punch will probably go down. but if they fight im sure pbf will still win even though im a huge pacfan there is no denying that pbf's skills might be enough to beat my idol.


on the other hand i think pac will win against margarito its going to be similar to pac odlh.

taeth,

odlh had no plans to bulk up on fight night, if memory serves me right their plan was to go down in weight weeks before the fight and stay there. instead of dealing with losing weight then gaining it back again they decided to just lose it all so odlh can match pacs speed.

we often say that pac won cause the opponent has some kind of problem. but aint it fair to say that pac made those opponents lose? odlh looked old and slow cause pac peppered him with lighting fast punches? or cotto back peddling cause pac tagged him? and cotto realized that pac can hurt him or clottey acting like a punching bag cause pac doesnt allow him to throw much?

pac is just that good, he makes his opponents look like noobs.

[DaxxKahn]

just watched this it brought back some great memories and reminded me of some big debates

Crazy thing is as you watch the fights and the years progress he gets better and better each time out....There is no such thing as an "OK" performance from Manny Pacquiao...He is just going to go all out in the best style he can...Plus he has started to use defense...Man the longer Floyd waits to fight him the worse it gets for Floyd

Oscar Larios? Jorge Solis? I agree Manny has looked better and better, but I think part of that is effective strategic planning on the part of Roach and Arum.

Oscar was shot when he faced Manny because for whatever reason he couldn't rehydrate. Cotto wasn't the same offensive force he was a few years before, and Clottey's style was tailor made for Manny to beat. I think they had the perfect strategy to beat Hatton. Now I think Manny has to be a great fighter to accomplish what he did, but he definitely had circumstantial advantages when he faced them.

Not to what you wrote, but what somebody else did. I simply think Floyd didn't want to fight in 2010 again. The more he has been in the spotlight, the more it seems Floyd gets stressed out by it. Across his whole career there have been times where he has been less dedicated to fighting often than necessarily the opponents he has foughten. I think Mayweather has faced plenty of opposition, clearly not like Manny has, but Floyd has beaten at least 8 future hall of famers. That is more than almost anyone else except Manny of this era.

Well yes you have valid points with the oppponents Manny faced and how they were choosen but the same can be said for Floyd...They both have some really big names they made sure they caught at the right time...I agree with Floyd being stressed out by the media but then again he seeks the media out? Kind of catch 22?....Floyd is stressed by the media because he is not really sure how to act.....

Inj truth nif Floyd was just "FLOYD" the Floyd I have met away from fans the Floyd that is known to give back to his community the guy would the this era most popular fighter....Floyd does not likie the villan role just with the way he gets around the media it is one that he finds easier to play

[:::PSL:::]

Somehow, the more I think about it, the more I give Manny a good run against Mayweather. I agree that skill wise, Mayweather is the best. However, the recipe to beat Mayweather lies in lot of pressure, lot of speed volume in punching and good power. Castillo in their first fight should have won, he unsettled Mayweather by being very aggressive and throwing loads of shot. Hatton made quite well in the first few rounds with his bull pressure, only to get beaten by lack of skill. Pacquiao is a different beast though, he has speed the two others didn't have, a much better firepower and he can throw shots endlessly without tiring. And when he lands, it hurts. If he nailed down Cotto, Marquez or the very durable Morales, he can sure knock down Mayweather. I could imagine a fight where Mayweather wins the first few rounds based on skills but get hurt in the middle run by some of the shots that will eventually land to be knocked out toward the end of the fight. At least, PAcquiao has all the very rare and hard to combine ingredients to make it happen.

...add the southpaw style and weird angle punches factor.

[Nameless]

Somehow, the more I think about it, the more I give Manny a good run against Mayweather. I agree that skill wise, Mayweather is the best. However, the recipe to beat Mayweather lies in lot of pressure, lot of speed volume in punching and good power. Castillo in their first fight should have won, he unsettled Mayweather by being very aggressive and throwing loads of shot. Hatton made quite well in the first few rounds with his bull pressure, only to get beaten by lack of skill. Pacquiao is a different beast though, he has speed the two others didn't have, a much better firepower and he can throw shots endlessly without tiring. And when he lands, it hurts. If he nailed down Cotto, Marquez or the very durable Morales, he can sure knock down Mayweather. I could imagine a fight where Mayweather wins the first few rounds based on skills but get hurt in the middle run by some of the shots that will eventually land to be knocked out toward the end of the fight. At least, PAcquiao has all the very rare and hard to combine ingredients to make it happen.

...add the southpaw style and weird angle punches factor.

Indeed. Not saying he will win but I would definitely give him a run at the win. And a serious one.

[Pavlik]

YouTube - HUGEADVANTAGE's Channel

Please take a gander, a really good analysis IMO

[:::PSL:::]

YouTube - HUGEADVANTAGE's Channel

Please take a gander, a really good analysis IMO

Some great pointers there.

I'm sure Roach is well aware of it. They even mock Floyd's shoulder roll in this vid.



('already posted it in the other thread. But what the heck)

[milmascaras1]

no doubt pacquiao is a great fighter but he's only one of the many great fighters past and present. i would agree that he's probably right now a top 25-30 all-time p4p fighter. but he still needs to do alot more things before he can be considered anywhere near the top 10. for those of you who think mayweather is "scurred" of pacquiao, let's wait until the end of 2011 before we make that assumption. this is no indictment on pacquiao but i seriously think mayweather is much will better than him and will beat him convincingly. many great fighters throughout history have had questions about them and pacquiao is certainly one of them. such as:

a. why oh why does he continue to get matched up with fighters who are on the way down and not in their absolute primes.

b. why oh why didn't he ever accept that 3rd fight with marquez? a vast majority of experts, writers and fans believe pacquiao clearly lost that fight. hell, even the philippine media thought he lost. and since he's their major super hero, well, you can make your conclusions on that one.

c. why did he fight the GREAT david diaz (paper champ) before whilst casamayor, marquez, juan diaz, campbell, and others were available.

d. why does he insist on fighting AND demanding catchweight fights? the great one never demanded them. they fought on their own merits and accomplishments and not with some kind of unfair advantage.

e. why won't he take that stupid blood test? what does he have to hide? you mean to tell me YOU would turn down $40-50 mil before you're scared of needles? come on, some people have rocks in their noggin and would believe anything, but not this fan.

f. and if margarito is supposedly way past his prime and pacquiao will go through him like butter, why then did pacquiao first agree to fight at a catchweight of 151 but later on complained and have it changed to 150? this is bullshit and unless you're a pacquiao nuthugger, you should agree as well.

g. finally, if he, pacman, was willing to give an absolute washed up, morales a trilogy, why oh why did he balk into giving a very dangerous marquez one? is this the mark of a superior ATG? Hmmmm!!!

well, there you go. i think pacquiao is a great fighter but i still have many, as do others, lingering questions about this guy. and to MORALES, no,this is NOT a racial thread. so don't turn me in to the moderators and try to have me banned. okay?

[milmascaras1]

oh, and congrats to rigoberto "es espanol" alvarez, older brother of "canelo" alvarez for winning the vacant WBC jr. middleweight title last night against a japanese opponent. this makes the 11th world champ mexico has won this year and he becomes mexico's 112th native born world champion.

and no, THIS IS NOT A RACIAL THREAD!

[:::PSL:::]

no doubt pacquiao is a great fighter but he's only one of the many great fighters past and present. i would agree that he's probably right now a top 25-30 all-time p4p fighter. but he still needs to do alot more things before he can be considered anywhere near the top 10. for those of you who think mayweather is "scurred" of pacquiao, let's wait until the end of 2011 before we make that assumption. this is no indictment on pacquiao but i seriously think mayweather is much will better than him and will beat him convincingly. many great fighters throughout history have had questions about them and pacquiao is certainly one of them. such as:

a. why oh why does he continue to get matched up with fighters who are on the way down and not in their absolute primes.

b. why oh why didn't he ever accept that 3rd fight with marquez? a vast majority of experts, writers and fans believe pacquiao clearly lost that fight. hell, even the philippine media thought he lost. and since he's their major super hero, well, you can make your conclusions on that one.

c. why did he fight the GREAT david diaz (paper champ) before whilst casamayor, marquez, juan diaz, campbell, and others were available.

d. why does he insist on fighting AND demanding catchweight fights? the great one never demanded them. they fought on their own merits and accomplishments and not with some kind of unfair advantage.

e. why won't he take that stupid blood test? what does he have to hide? you mean to tell me YOU would turn down $40-50 mil before you're scared of needles? come on, some people have rocks in their noggin and would believe anything, but not this fan.

f. and if margarito is supposedly way past his prime and pacquiao will go through him like butter, why then did pacquiao first agree to fight at a catchweight of 151 but later on complained and have it changed to 150? this is bullshit and unless you're a pacquiao nuthugger, you should agree as well.

g. finally, if he, pacman, was willing to give an absolute washed up, morales a trilogy, why oh why did he balk into giving a very dangerous marquez one? is this the mark of a superior ATG? Hmmmm!!!

well, there you go. i think pacquiao is a great fighter but i still have many, as do others, lingering questions about this guy. and to MORALES, no,this is NOT a racial thread. so don't turn me in to the moderators and try to have me banned. okay?

Answers:

a. They're only washed up fighters after Pac destroys them.

b. Both fights could have gone either way. Both outcome were razor thin. Respect it or not, imho Pac won both of those fights.

c. True. David Diaz was a paper champ. Team Pac was just testing the waters at higher weight class. And when Roach found out Pac could take on bigger opposition... they challenged DLH for megabuck/megaevent fight. 28 out of 30 boxing writers picked DLH to walk all over Pac btw.

d. He started at 106. I hate catchweight. But it's good way to make a high profile fight possible while leveling the playing field.

e. Pac made a statement that Floyd is not the boss of him. But when the public demand kept building up, then that was the moment Pac fully agreed to Mayweather's conditions - including full random drug test.

f. Marg is a natural 147-154 fighter and could show up 165-170 at fight night. So guess who's doing someone a favor.

g. You can't say Pac is avoiding JMM cuz they already fought twice. Neither of them is retired, so the third fight is remain to be seen. I believe it's a great subtitute for Pac-May fight for next year.

[:::PSL:::]

oh, and congrats to rigoberto "es espanol" alvarez, older brother of "canelo" alvarez for winning the vacant WBC jr. middleweight title last night against a japanese opponent. this makes the 11th world champ mexico has won this year and he becomes mexico's 112th native born world champion.

and no, THIS IS NOT A RACIAL THREAD!

Yepee! Good for him. But WTF is that got to do with this thread?

[milmascaras1]

PSL,

because i was lazy to start another thread and decided to mention rigoberto alvarez winning a title. that's all!

[milmascaras1]

PSL,

a. do you actually in your mind think morales wasn't past his prime and a shot fighter when pacquiao won that 3rd fight? do you actually think de la hoya wasn't drained and way past his prime? what about hatton? funny how pacquiao beat mayweather's leftovers (oscar/hatton) and you think pacquiao did this great deed in beating these two.

b. okay wise guy, everyone knows pacquiao walks on water in the philippines, right! so why is it then that the vast majority of pinoy boxing writers said pacquiao lost it. even your very own nonito donaire thought pacquiao lost. hmmmm!

c. it doesn't matter how many boxing writers thought oscar would have beaten pacquiao. they also didn't know oscar would have been a walking zombie either, did they? if pacquiao's team wanted to "test the waters" at lightweight, then why did they go for the weakest paper champion? if they truly wanted to "test the waters", they would have put him in with a non-title holder. truth is this, they just wanted that paper championship to better market pacquiao. nothing more, nothing less!

d. i am sick and tired of pacman's fans saying "he started at 106". well, guess what sonny, he's no longer 106 lbs.. many fighters in history started at a lower weight class only to fully grow into maturity at a higher weight. stop with this "but he's only a jr. flyweight" crap cause it isn't gonna fly anymore. the only reason he was fighting at that weight class was to get an unfair advantage over the much shorter flyweights, and he paid dearly for by getting KTFO twice by total bums.

e. this is a lie (about pacquiao agreeing fully to those blood tests) and you know it. mayweather's team NEVER negotiated with pacquiao again after pacquiao refused those blood tests. bob arum, with his PR machine wanted to save pacquiao a little face time by saying there were direct negotiations. arum made these lies up and you know it. again, quit believing everything you read. and tell me, when he made all those excuses (afraid of needles, gets weak, superstitious) and then turns around and does a complete 180 and agrees to the tests, are you really going to believe this crap? so all of the sudden he wasn't superstitious anymore, or afraid of needles etc...and you're buying that crap? pleeeese!

f. hey einstein, this bogus fight is for a world title! what favor are you talking about. last time i checked, jr. middleweight's limit is at 154 and not 150 lbs. they might as well start making additional weight classes for pacquiao. if you were a true boxing fan, you would have to agree with me. if pacquiao thinks margarito is too big for him then why take the fight? i'll tell you why he did, it's because pacquiao has to have an unfair advantage in most of his fights. if pacquiao beats margarito, what's going to happen when he has to defend his title? go up to the next weight (middleweight) and demand another catchweight? what if paul williams is the no.1 contender at jr. middleweight? you think roach is going to risk pacquiao fighting williams? hell no, roach is much too cunning for that. this is why boxing is losing it's credibility. do you actually think the title pacquiao won vs. cotto is truly legit? you know, fighters of yesteryear would never have fallen for this crap. real, true boxing fans know better. hell, if any mexican fighter EVER demands a catchweight title fight, i will be the first to curse him out. i don't play that crap because i believe a boxer should win a title legitimately within the rules and not be given unfair advantages. i'm surprised cotto's fans aren't saying much about cotto's catchweight loss to pacquiao. i would have been livid if it were me. but then again, my guess is maybe some cotto's fans have tasted the pacquiao kool aid and like it!

g. look, the only reasons why pacquiao fought marquez twice was because marquez both times was the champion. but seriously now, whenever two great warriors fight a very controversially disputed fight, it's their duties as warriors to settle the dispute to see who really is the better fighter. take the marquez/vazquez trilogy, now those two little guys are true warriors. vazquez didn't have to take that 4th fight because the first three were so very hotly disputed and even though he had a 2-1 lead, many fans still thought marquez was better than him. but like a true warrior, he decided to take that 4th fight even though he physically hadn't really recovered from his trilogy. same with pacquiao, after that 2nd marquez fight, there was still ALOT of doubt as to who really won. about 75 pct. of all boxing writers worldwide thought marquez won. pacquiao should have manned up and taken that 3rd fight to erase that doubt. but now it's too late because marquez is already 37 years old and clearly on the downside of his career. but knowing pacquiao's past, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he suddenly decided to accept that long awaited 3rd fight. just a hunch!

[Julius Rain]

PSL,

a. do you actually in your mind think morales wasn't past his prime and a shot fighter when pacquiao won that 3rd fight? do you actually think de la hoya wasn't drained and way past his prime? what about hatton? funny how pacquiao beat mayweather's leftovers (oscar/hatton) and you think pacquiao did this great deed in beating these two.

b. okay wise guy, everyone knows pacquiao walks on water in the philippines, right! so why is it then that the vast majority of pinoy boxing writers said pacquiao lost it. even your very own nonito donaire thought pacquiao lost. hmmmm!

c. it doesn't matter how many boxing writers thought oscar would have beaten pacquiao. they also didn't know oscar would have been a walking zombie either, did they? if pacquiao's team wanted to "test the waters" at lightweight, then why did they go for the weakest paper champion? if they truly wanted to "test the waters", they would have put him in with a non-title holder. truth is this, they just wanted that paper championship to better market pacquiao. nothing more, nothing less!

d. i am sick and tired of pacman's fans saying "he started at 106". well, guess what sonny, he's no longer 106 lbs.. many fighters in history started at a lower weight class only to fully grow into maturity at a higher weight. stop with this "but he's only a jr. flyweight" crap cause it isn't gonna fly anymore. the only reason he was fighting at that weight class was to get an unfair advantage over the much shorter flyweights, and he paid dearly for by getting KTFO twice by total bums.

e. this is a lie (about pacquiao agreeing fully to those blood tests) and you know it. mayweather's team NEVER negotiated with pacquiao again after pacquiao refused those blood tests. bob arum, with his PR machine wanted to save pacquiao a little face time by saying there were direct negotiations. arum made these lies up and you know it. again, quit believing everything you read. and tell me, when he made all those excuses (afraid of needles, gets weak, superstitious) and then turns around and does a complete 180 and agrees to the tests, are you really going to believe this crap? so all of the sudden he wasn't superstitious anymore, or afraid of needles etc...and you're buying that crap? pleeeese!

f. hey einstein, this bogus fight is for a world title! what favor are you talking about. last time i checked, jr. middleweight's limit is at 154 and not 150 lbs. they might as well start making additional weight classes for pacquiao. if you were a true boxing fan, you would have to agree with me. if pacquiao thinks margarito is too big for him then why take the fight? i'll tell you why he did, it's because pacquiao has to have an unfair advantage in most of his fights. if pacquiao beats margarito, what's going to happen when he has to defend his title? go up to the next weight (middleweight) and demand another catchweight? what if paul williams is the no.1 contender at jr. middleweight? you think roach is going to risk pacquiao fighting williams? hell no, roach is much too cunning for that. this is why boxing is losing it's credibility. do you actually think the title pacquiao won vs. cotto is truly legit? you know, fighters of yesteryear would never have fallen for this crap. real, true boxing fans know better. hell, if any mexican fighter EVER demands a catchweight title fight, i will be the first to curse him out. i don't play that crap because i believe a boxer should win a title legitimately within the rules and not be given unfair advantages. i'm surprised cotto's fans aren't saying much about cotto's catchweight loss to pacquiao. i would have been livid if it were me. but then again, my guess is maybe some cotto's fans have tasted the pacquiao kool aid and like it!

g. look, the only reasons why pacquiao fought marquez twice was because marquez both times was the champion. but seriously now, whenever two great warriors fight a very controversially disputed fight, it's their duties as warriors to settle the dispute to see who really is the better fighter. take the marquez/vazquez trilogy, now those two little guys are true warriors. vazquez didn't have to take that 4th fight because the first three were so very hotly disputed and even though he had a 2-1 lead, many fans still thought marquez was better than him. but like a true warrior, he decided to take that 4th fight even though he physically hadn't really recovered from his trilogy. same with pacquiao, after that 2nd marquez fight, there was still ALOT of doubt as to who really won. about 75 pct. of all boxing writers worldwide thought marquez won. pacquiao should have manned up and taken that 3rd fight to erase that doubt. but now it's too late because marquez is already 37 years old and clearly on the downside of his career. but knowing pacquiao's past, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he suddenly decided to accept that long awaited 3rd fight. just a hunch!

I'm going to have to agree here, I think your absolutely right.

[generalbulldog]

PSL,

a. do you actually in your mind think morales wasn't past his prime and a shot fighter when pacquiao won that 3rd fight? do you actually think de la hoya wasn't drained and way past his prime? what about hatton? funny how pacquiao beat mayweather's leftovers (oscar/hatton) and you think pacquiao did this great deed in beating these two.

b. okay wise guy, everyone knows pacquiao walks on water in the philippines, right! so why is it then that the vast majority of pinoy boxing writers said pacquiao lost it. even your very own nonito donaire thought pacquiao lost. hmmmm!

c. it doesn't matter how many boxing writers thought oscar would have beaten pacquiao. they also didn't know oscar would have been a walking zombie either, did they? if pacquiao's team wanted to "test the waters" at lightweight, then why did they go for the weakest paper champion? if they truly wanted to "test the waters", they would have put him in with a non-title holder. truth is this, they just wanted that paper championship to better market pacquiao. nothing more, nothing less!

d. i am sick and tired of pacman's fans saying "he started at 106". well, guess what sonny, he's no longer 106 lbs.. many fighters in history started at a lower weight class only to fully grow into maturity at a higher weight. stop with this "but he's only a jr. flyweight" crap cause it isn't gonna fly anymore. the only reason he was fighting at that weight class was to get an unfair advantage over the much shorter flyweights, and he paid dearly for by getting KTFO twice by total bums.

e. this is a lie (about pacquiao agreeing fully to those blood tests) and you know it. mayweather's team NEVER negotiated with pacquiao again after pacquiao refused those blood tests. bob arum, with his PR machine wanted to save pacquiao a little face time by saying there were direct negotiations. arum made these lies up and you know it. again, quit believing everything you read. and tell me, when he made all those excuses (afraid of needles, gets weak, superstitious) and then turns around and does a complete 180 and agrees to the tests, are you really going to believe this crap? so all of the sudden he wasn't superstitious anymore, or afraid of needles etc...and you're buying that crap? pleeeese!

f. hey einstein, this bogus fight is for a world title! what favor are you talking about. last time i checked, jr. middleweight's limit is at 154 and not 150 lbs. they might as well start making additional weight classes for pacquiao. if you were a true boxing fan, you would have to agree with me. if pacquiao thinks margarito is too big for him then why take the fight? i'll tell you why he did, it's because pacquiao has to have an unfair advantage in most of his fights. if pacquiao beats margarito, what's going to happen when he has to defend his title? go up to the next weight (middleweight) and demand another catchweight? what if paul williams is the no.1 contender at jr. middleweight? you think roach is going to risk pacquiao fighting williams? hell no, roach is much too cunning for that. this is why boxing is losing it's credibility. do you actually think the title pacquiao won vs. cotto is truly legit? you know, fighters of yesteryear would never have fallen for this crap. real, true boxing fans know better. hell, if any mexican fighter EVER demands a catchweight title fight, i will be the first to curse him out. i don't play that crap because i believe a boxer should win a title legitimately within the rules and not be given unfair advantages. i'm surprised cotto's fans aren't saying much about cotto's catchweight loss to pacquiao. i would have been livid if it were me. but then again, my guess is maybe some cotto's fans have tasted the pacquiao kool aid and like it!

g. look, the only reasons why pacquiao fought marquez twice was because marquez both times was the champion. but seriously now, whenever two great warriors fight a very controversially disputed fight, it's their duties as warriors to settle the dispute to see who really is the better fighter. take the marquez/vazquez trilogy, now those two little guys are true warriors. vazquez didn't have to take that 4th fight because the first three were so very hotly disputed and even though he had a 2-1 lead, many fans still thought marquez was better than him. but like a true warrior, he decided to take that 4th fight even though he physically hadn't really recovered from his trilogy. same with pacquiao, after that 2nd marquez fight, there was still ALOT of doubt as to who really won. about 75 pct. of all boxing writers worldwide thought marquez won. pacquiao should have manned up and taken that 3rd fight to erase that doubt. but now it's too late because marquez is already 37 years old and clearly on the downside of his career. but knowing pacquiao's past, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he suddenly decided to accept that long awaited 3rd fight. just a hunch!

I'll address some of it for fun.

A: It's true Morales wasn't in his prime, but neither was Pac entering it yet. Regardless he took 2 out of 3. And if there was a hypothetical matchup of the 2 in their absolute prime and best, not too many people will say Morales beats Pac prime for prime, especially not with the way Erik likes to exchange.

B: I also thought Pacquiao lost it, for the 2nd fight. The 1st fight I thought he won. Regardless 2 very close fights. And close fights are not considered to be robberies. If you want to talk robberies, see Chavez-Whitaker.

C: De La Hoya got what he deserved for cherry picking a guy that had fought over 130 pounds only once in his career. In fact Oscar should have fought Margarito like he promised, but hey he thought it would be an easy money making fight for him beating up on Pacquiao. About Diaz, it's a fight to test the waters and eventually go on to fightiing the rest of the 135 pounders, but then Oscar offered a fight with him, then Pac went on to better things, it is rare in boxing today for a guy to all of a sudden move up and fight an elite fighter at the new weight class.

D: He started at Jr. flyweight as a 16 year old kid, you're making it sound like he wanted to start his career there to have an unfair advantage in having the physical tools.

E: Ross Greenburg the president of HBO sports did back up Arum and say negotiations took place when Ellerbe came out and said no such thing happened. It hasn't been verify but according to insiders Manny agreed to take the full test.

F: I'm not a fan of catchweight fights also, but it is what it is since Leonard started the bullshit in the 80s and other fighters have done the same thing.

You said you would curse a Mexican fighter out if he demanded a catchweight fight? The greatest Mexican boxer of all time weight drain Pernell Whitaker to 145 pounds for his WBC strap and got outboxed for 10 out of 12 rounds in San Antonio, most unbias boxing fans saw it as a 1 sided victory for Sweetpea. And De La Hoya, an Mexican-American fighter weight drain Hopkins to 156 pounds for his MW titles in 2004. You know you ain't cursing them.