Manny Pacquiao sometimes we forget just how good he really is

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Oscar Larios? Jorge Solis?

I see the '?' so pls let me post these.

Oscar Larios - 2 Division Champion ( 122, 126 ) and fought @ 130 prior to facing Manny at 130. Not as great but a legitimate champion 2 times at that.

Jorge Solis - Has accomplished less compared to Larios but is a Belt holder at the moment currently holding a WBA version at 130.


Pac's Resume is the best among the active fighters IMO.

Sasakul, Ledwabba, Barrera, Marquez, Morales, Larios, Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey

All former or current Champions, ALL Were Dominated except JMM. Add Former title holders Jorge Julio, Jorge Solis and David Diaz for kickers.

Resume wise Pac is way ahead compared to Floyd. But Floyd must be the betting favorite if they fight. IF

[UKPH]

just watched this it brought back some great memories and reminded me of some big debates

Crazy thing is as you watch the fights and the years progress he gets better and better each time out....There is no such thing as an "OK" performance from Manny Pacquiao...He is just going to go all out in the best style he can...Plus he has started to use defense...Man the longer Floyd waits to fight him the worse it gets for Floyd

Yes its true if this fight happens now, I could agree Floyd can win easily, but he's already middle aged boxer sometimes reflexes are diminishing when you start at 34-35 ish like Roy Jones ala cat reflexes before, still Mayweather cant be ignored a genius in the ring.

Still in doubt in Pacquiao now ,he's been too many wars. to me not long maybe after Margarito he's already a shot fighter. In his last 2-3 fights, his training pushing to the limits fighting bigger men causing some injuries although his team said theres no problem.

[:::PSL:::]

[milmascaras1]

no doubt pacquiao is a great fighter but he's only one of the many great fighters past and present. i would agree that he's probably right now a top 25-30 all-time p4p fighter. but he still needs to do alot more things before he can be considered anywhere near the top 10. for those of you who think mayweather is "scurred" of pacquiao, let's wait until the end of 2011 before we make that assumption. this is no indictment on pacquiao but i seriously think mayweather is much will better than him and will beat him convincingly. many great fighters throughout history have had questions about them and pacquiao is certainly one of them. such as:

a. why oh why does he continue to get matched up with fighters who are on the way down and not in their absolute primes.

b. why oh why didn't he ever accept that 3rd fight with marquez? a vast majority of experts, writers and fans believe pacquiao clearly lost that fight. hell, even the philippine media thought he lost. and since he's their major super hero, well, you can make your conclusions on that one.

c. why did he fight the GREAT david diaz (paper champ) before whilst casamayor, marquez, juan diaz, campbell, and others were available.

d. why does he insist on fighting AND demanding catchweight fights? the great one never demanded them. they fought on their own merits and accomplishments and not with some kind of unfair advantage.

e. why won't he take that stupid blood test? what does he have to hide? you mean to tell me YOU would turn down $40-50 mil before you're scared of needles? come on, some people have rocks in their noggin and would believe anything, but not this fan.

f. and if margarito is supposedly way past his prime and pacquiao will go through him like butter, why then did pacquiao first agree to fight at a catchweight of 151 but later on complained and have it changed to 150? this is bullshit and unless you're a pacquiao nuthugger, you should agree as well.

g. finally, if he, pacman, was willing to give an absolute washed up, morales a trilogy, why oh why did he balk into giving a very dangerous marquez one? is this the mark of a superior ATG? Hmmmm!!!

well, there you go. i think pacquiao is a great fighter but i still have many, as do others, lingering questions about this guy. and to MORALES, no,this is NOT a racial thread. so don't turn me in to the moderators and try to have me banned. okay?

[milmascaras1]

oh, and congrats to rigoberto "es espanol" alvarez, older brother of "canelo" alvarez for winning the vacant WBC jr. middleweight title last night against a japanese opponent. this makes the 11th world champ mexico has won this year and he becomes mexico's 112th native born world champion.

and no, THIS IS NOT A RACIAL THREAD!

[:::PSL:::]

no doubt pacquiao is a great fighter but he's only one of the many great fighters past and present. i would agree that he's probably right now a top 25-30 all-time p4p fighter. but he still needs to do alot more things before he can be considered anywhere near the top 10. for those of you who think mayweather is "scurred" of pacquiao, let's wait until the end of 2011 before we make that assumption. this is no indictment on pacquiao but i seriously think mayweather is much will better than him and will beat him convincingly. many great fighters throughout history have had questions about them and pacquiao is certainly one of them. such as:

a. why oh why does he continue to get matched up with fighters who are on the way down and not in their absolute primes.

b. why oh why didn't he ever accept that 3rd fight with marquez? a vast majority of experts, writers and fans believe pacquiao clearly lost that fight. hell, even the philippine media thought he lost. and since he's their major super hero, well, you can make your conclusions on that one.

c. why did he fight the GREAT david diaz (paper champ) before whilst casamayor, marquez, juan diaz, campbell, and others were available.

d. why does he insist on fighting AND demanding catchweight fights? the great one never demanded them. they fought on their own merits and accomplishments and not with some kind of unfair advantage.

e. why won't he take that stupid blood test? what does he have to hide? you mean to tell me YOU would turn down $40-50 mil before you're scared of needles? come on, some people have rocks in their noggin and would believe anything, but not this fan.

f. and if margarito is supposedly way past his prime and pacquiao will go through him like butter, why then did pacquiao first agree to fight at a catchweight of 151 but later on complained and have it changed to 150? this is bullshit and unless you're a pacquiao nuthugger, you should agree as well.

g. finally, if he, pacman, was willing to give an absolute washed up, morales a trilogy, why oh why did he balk into giving a very dangerous marquez one? is this the mark of a superior ATG? Hmmmm!!!

well, there you go. i think pacquiao is a great fighter but i still have many, as do others, lingering questions about this guy. and to MORALES, no,this is NOT a racial thread. so don't turn me in to the moderators and try to have me banned. okay?

Answers:

a. They're only washed up fighters after Pac destroys them.

b. Both fights could have gone either way. Both outcome were razor thin. Respect it or not, imho Pac won both of those fights.

c. True. David Diaz was a paper champ. Team Pac was just testing the waters at higher weight class. And when Roach found out Pac could take on bigger opposition... they challenged DLH for megabuck/megaevent fight. 28 out of 30 boxing writers picked DLH to walk all over Pac btw.

d. He started at 106. I hate catchweight. But it's good way to make a high profile fight possible while leveling the playing field.

e. Pac made a statement that Floyd is not the boss of him. But when the public demand kept building up, then that was the moment Pac fully agreed to Mayweather's conditions - including full random drug test.

f. Marg is a natural 147-154 fighter and could show up 165-170 at fight night. So guess who's doing someone a favor.

g. You can't say Pac is avoiding JMM cuz they already fought twice. Neither of them is retired, so the third fight is remain to be seen. I believe it's a great subtitute for Pac-May fight for next year.

[Violent Demise]

Good video. Looks like steroids really do pay off

[brucelee]

Good video. Looks like steroids really do pay off

LOL. VD's still on some serious drugs.

[Nameless]

Somehow, the more I think about it, the more I give Manny a good run against Mayweather. I agree that skill wise, Mayweather is the best. However, the recipe to beat Mayweather lies in lot of pressure, lot of speed volume in punching and good power. Castillo in their first fight should have won, he unsettled Mayweather by being very aggressive and throwing loads of shot. Hatton made quite well in the first few rounds with his bull pressure, only to get beaten by lack of skill. Pacquiao is a different beast though, he has speed the two others didn't have, a much better firepower and he can throw shots endlessly without tiring. And when he lands, it hurts. If he nailed down Cotto, Marquez or the very durable Morales, he can sure knock down Mayweather. I could imagine a fight where Mayweather wins the first few rounds based on skills but get hurt in the middle run by some of the shots that will eventually land to be knocked out toward the end of the fight. At least, PAcquiao has all the very rare and hard to combine ingredients to make it happen.

[mnmc10]

there is no question pbf is far more superior than pac boxing skills wise. and to add to what nameless said pbf got rocked by mosley. it only shows that pbf can get hit and with the right punch will probably go down. but if they fight im sure pbf will still win even though im a huge pacfan there is no denying that pbf's skills might be enough to beat my idol.


on the other hand i think pac will win against margarito its going to be similar to pac odlh.

taeth,

odlh had no plans to bulk up on fight night, if memory serves me right their plan was to go down in weight weeks before the fight and stay there. instead of dealing with losing weight then gaining it back again they decided to just lose it all so odlh can match pacs speed.

we often say that pac won cause the opponent has some kind of problem. but aint it fair to say that pac made those opponents lose? odlh looked old and slow cause pac peppered him with lighting fast punches? or cotto back peddling cause pac tagged him? and cotto realized that pac can hurt him or clottey acting like a punching bag cause pac doesnt allow him to throw much?

pac is just that good, he makes his opponents look like noobs.

[:::PSL:::]

Somehow, the more I think about it, the more I give Manny a good run against Mayweather. I agree that skill wise, Mayweather is the best. However, the recipe to beat Mayweather lies in lot of pressure, lot of speed volume in punching and good power. Castillo in their first fight should have won, he unsettled Mayweather by being very aggressive and throwing loads of shot. Hatton made quite well in the first few rounds with his bull pressure, only to get beaten by lack of skill. Pacquiao is a different beast though, he has speed the two others didn't have, a much better firepower and he can throw shots endlessly without tiring. And when he lands, it hurts. If he nailed down Cotto, Marquez or the very durable Morales, he can sure knock down Mayweather. I could imagine a fight where Mayweather wins the first few rounds based on skills but get hurt in the middle run by some of the shots that will eventually land to be knocked out toward the end of the fight. At least, PAcquiao has all the very rare and hard to combine ingredients to make it happen.

...add the southpaw style and weird angle punches factor.

[Nameless]

Somehow, the more I think about it, the more I give Manny a good run against Mayweather. I agree that skill wise, Mayweather is the best. However, the recipe to beat Mayweather lies in lot of pressure, lot of speed volume in punching and good power. Castillo in their first fight should have won, he unsettled Mayweather by being very aggressive and throwing loads of shot. Hatton made quite well in the first few rounds with his bull pressure, only to get beaten by lack of skill. Pacquiao is a different beast though, he has speed the two others didn't have, a much better firepower and he can throw shots endlessly without tiring. And when he lands, it hurts. If he nailed down Cotto, Marquez or the very durable Morales, he can sure knock down Mayweather. I could imagine a fight where Mayweather wins the first few rounds based on skills but get hurt in the middle run by some of the shots that will eventually land to be knocked out toward the end of the fight. At least, PAcquiao has all the very rare and hard to combine ingredients to make it happen.

...add the southpaw style and weird angle punches factor.

Indeed. Not saying he will win but I would definitely give him a run at the win. And a serious one.