Real World champions who were British and number 1

[erics44]

Nobody really, if anybody at the moment then I'd say Ward obviously. Before that Kessler and before Calzaghe. But Kessler and Ward never had a foothold on the position that can't be disputed. Froch definitely didn't ever.

are you making your own rules up on the thread now dude?

[DatsiK]

are you making your own rules up on the thread now dude?

It's pretty fucking simple. Froch held the title for three fights (if you want to count the fight with pascal).. 2 of which weren't against anyone in the top 5 of the division, and the third time he was given an absolute gift of a decision. No way he's ever been number 1 in his division.

[erics44]

are you making your own rules up on the thread now dude?

It's pretty fucking simple. Froch held the title for three fights (if you want to count the fight with pascal).. 2 of which weren't against anyone in the top 5 of the division, and the third time he was given an absolute gift of a decision. No way he's ever been number 1 in his division.

chill bro

i think he was and still is the best, and it wasnt a gift of a decision but i dont fancy that debate

[JazMerkin]

Bruno was never the best Heavyweight in the world. At the time he was WBC champ, George Foreman had the lineal title & Riddick Bowe was the only one you could argue was a better HW at that point.

Carl Froch has never really had a hold on the #1 spot at 168, as at least one of Kessler, Bute & Ward have all been ranked above him whilst he was WBC champ.

[erics44]

Bruno was never the best Heavyweight in the world. At the time he was WBC champ, George Foreman had the lineal title & Riddick Bowe was the only one you could argue was a better HW at that point.

Carl Froch has never really had a hold on the #1 spot at 168, as at least one of Kessler, Bute & Ward have all been ranked above him whilst he was WBC champ.

Bruno is the best heavyweight in history

froch is better than kessler bute and ward

[JazMerkin]

Bruno was never the best Heavyweight in the world. At the time he was WBC champ, George Foreman had the lineal title & Riddick Bowe was the only one you could argue was a better HW at that point.

Carl Froch has never really had a hold on the #1 spot at 168, as at least one of Kessler, Bute & Ward have all been ranked above him whilst he was WBC champ.

Bruno is the best heavyweight in history

froch is better than kessler bute and ward

Being on a wind-up is fine if you're funny with it, but you just aren't mate.

We've already got Hammer who does the whole patriotic fool schtick that you're trying to run with, and to be honest he does it much better, because it's just enough that you're not sure whether he's serious or pulling your leg.

You need to go away, read his posts & understand how to step up your game

[erics44]

Bruno was never the best Heavyweight in the world. At the time he was WBC champ, George Foreman had the lineal title & Riddick Bowe was the only one you could argue was a better HW at that point.

Carl Froch has never really had a hold on the #1 spot at 168, as at least one of Kessler, Bute & Ward have all been ranked above him whilst he was WBC champ.

Bruno is the best heavyweight in history

froch is better than kessler bute and ward

Being on a wind-up is fine if you're funny with it, but you just aren't mate.

We've already got Hammer who does the whole patriotic fool schtick that you're trying to run with, and to be honest he does it much better, because it's just enough that you're not sure whether he's serious or pulling your leg.

You need to go away, read his posts & understand how to step up your game

ha, ill do as you say dude and learn from the master

just so i know tho, which bit of my post did you think was a wind up?

[JazMerkin]

Bruno was never the best Heavyweight in the world. At the time he was WBC champ, George Foreman had the lineal title & Riddick Bowe was the only one you could argue was a better HW at that point.

Carl Froch has never really had a hold on the #1 spot at 168, as at least one of Kessler, Bute & Ward have all been ranked above him whilst he was WBC champ.

Bruno is the best heavyweight in history

froch is better than kessler bute and ward

Being on a wind-up is fine if you're funny with it, but you just aren't mate.

We've already got Hammer who does the whole patriotic fool schtick that you're trying to run with, and to be honest he does it much better, because it's just enough that you're not sure whether he's serious or pulling your leg.

You need to go away, read his posts & understand how to step up your game

ha, ill do as you say dude and learn from the master

just so i know tho, which bit of my post did you think was a wind up?

Definitely the first bit about Bruno being the best HW in history.

Maybe the 2nd bit, but I can see someone stupid believing that.

[erics44]

Bruno was never the best Heavyweight in the world. At the time he was WBC champ, George Foreman had the lineal title & Riddick Bowe was the only one you could argue was a better HW at that point.

Carl Froch has never really had a hold on the #1 spot at 168, as at least one of Kessler, Bute & Ward have all been ranked above him whilst he was WBC champ.

Bruno is the best heavyweight in history

froch is better than kessler bute and ward

Being on a wind-up is fine if you're funny with it, but you just aren't mate.

We've already got Hammer who does the whole patriotic fool schtick that you're trying to run with, and to be honest he does it much better, because it's just enough that you're not sure whether he's serious or pulling your leg.

You need to go away, read his posts & understand how to step up your game

ha, ill do as you say dude and learn from the master

just so i know tho, which bit of my post did you think was a wind up?

Definitely the first bit about Bruno being the best HW in history.

Maybe the 2nd bit, but I can see someone stupid believing that.

i cant believe a british man doesnt know the bruno fact, you mustnt have been around when he was at his peak

why is its stupid to believe froch is the best?

[skel1983]

Eric wtf mate, you are one bizzare dude.

[0james0]

When was Bruno ever number 1?

Or Froch? The one defining fight Froch has had, he lost. (although I hope he can get a win soon over Artur)

[erics44]

When was Bruno ever number 1?

Or Froch? The one defining fight Froch has had, he lost. (although I hope he can get a win soon over Artur)

i think froch is the best in the division

and he did lose to kes, but me as well as a lot of boxing experts think he won

[0james0]

When was Bruno ever number 1?

Or Froch? The one defining fight Froch has had, he lost. (although I hope he can get a win soon over Artur)

i think froch is the best in the division

and he did lose to kes, but me as well as a lot of boxing experts think he won

But he still lost.

Plus the question wasn't who do you think is best in the division. Compare Froch's achievments to even Hayes at Cruiserweight and you'll see there is no way he can be considered a real world champ.

If he wins the super six (which I'm hoping) then he is in with a shout.

[JazMerkin]

When was Bruno ever number 1?

Or Froch? The one defining fight Froch has had, he lost. (although I hope he can get a win soon over Artur)

i think froch is the best in the division

and he did lose to kes, but me as well as a lot of boxing experts think he won

You & Hammer you mean

Froch isn't the best in the division & you'd struggle to say he was at any point. Look at where he was each time he had a signature win & where his opponents were.

Pascal - Bute having just had a controversial win over Librado Andrade, and with Kessler still out for some time, this is the closest point to Froch being #1, but he had yet to really beat anyone in the Top 10. At this point most still considered Kessler #1 based on his past achievements.

Taylor - Bute erased his questionable win over Andrade with a comprehensive win in the rematch. Andrade was more highly rated than Taylor at this point, not to mention that Taylor was winning the fight going into the 12th. Bute was winning when he stopped Andrade in the 4th.

Dirrell - A victory considered at best questionable by most, with some considering it a robbery. On the same night, Abraham beats Froch's previous opponent far more convincingly. For what it's worth I'd still rate Froch ahead of him after this. A month later Ward shuts out Kessler & moves away with Bute as the clear leader in the division.

Kessler - Froch loses fight on the cards. Most have Kessler winning, some have a Froch win. However, in comparison to the defeat to Ward, Froch falls from being considered the best in the division in any way. Whether you thought he won or not, the fact is Ward was far more convincing in doing so that Froch. Bute fights Edison Miranda & some bald bus driver from Wisconsin.

[El Kabong]

So no Benn or Eubank? No Minter? No Wilde? No Prince Naz?