Did that fight really make people believe that Manny will be able to beat Floyd?

[Gandalf]

I am convinced of it. I know styles make fights, but Pac is the all round package. Floyd is getting on now and has only recently beaten fighters who are getting on themselves or are totally out of their weight class. I question Floyds hunger and I question just how far beyond his own peak he is himself. The younger Floyd was a beast, but the older one is so much more conservative. He potshots and his legs are going. He cannot trade with Manny because Manny will keep on trading after Floyd has finished his 2-3 punch combination. And while Floyd is shelled up Manny will just hit everything else. Not scoring punches, but enough to keep Floyd from taking too many risks. Floyd can't take risks because Manny is quicker and will hurt him more.

Manny is just too good right now and I don't think anybody, not even Floyd, can keep him at bay over 12 rounds.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Nah, Lately Manny looks great but as someone already stated it was against guys with asterisks by their names because of the circumstances surrounding them entering the fights. Oh wait so does floyd.... Old oscar, hatton sucks at 147, JMM was two divisions smaller, Shane was 38 and overtrained, etc etc etc...

Nevertheless I think Floyd exploits Manny's balance, but it will be very difficult to catch all those punches from the angles that Manny throws them. I think the only reason FLoyd fought JMM was to prove to himself that he could he beat Pacman. But yeah Floyd still wins, either on the inside or outside he'll win however he chooses to because he has too much knowledge...

[Taeth]

Nah, Lately Manny looks great but as someone already stated it was against guys with asterisks by their names because of the circumstances surrounding them entering the fights. Oh wait so does floyd.... Old oscar, hatton sucks at 147, JMM was two divisions smaller, Shane was 38 and overtrained, etc etc etc...

Nevertheless I think Floyd exploits Manny's balance, but it will be very difficult to catch all those punches from the angles that Manny throws them. I think the only reason FLoyd fought JMM was to prove to himself that he could he beat Pacman. But yeah Floyd still wins, either on the inside or outside he'll win however he chooses to because he has too much knowledge...

When FLoyd fought Oscar, De La Hoya had the same size advantage weight wise that Margarito had over Manny. Floyd came in at 150 and Oscar was at least 165 for that fight. But it was Oscar, a guy way faster than Margarito, way more skilled, a bigger puncher and a guy who used to beat of Antonio when they sparred together. Oscar still had his speed and he honestly was better defensively than he had been in years.

Against Manny he weighed 148 coming, and actually was outweighed by Manny on fight night.

I give both Manny and Floyd credit for beating Hatton. I think there is no proof Hatton looked bad at welterweight, he just looked bad against southpaws if his career said anything. He looked fast, and extremely sharp when he fought Floyd, but Floyd was sharper and surprisingly a better inside fighter despite the fact Hatton was naturally bigger and stronger. Shane Mosley was overtrained? Give me a break, Marquez didn't use that excuse when their bout was pushed back and he isn't super young, guys like Floyd and Hopkins work hard year round when they are fighting and they don't complain about being overtrained. Mayweather actually trains hard all the way up to the fight which most guys consider suicide. I remember fight week for the Gatti fight, Floyd actually when to a local gym and took all comers, and actually reportedly stopped most of the guys he faced.

[Taeth]

I am convinced of it. I know styles make fights, but Pac is the all round package. Floyd is getting on now and has only recently beaten fighters who are getting on themselves or are totally out of their weight class. I question Floyds hunger and I question just how far beyond his own peak he is himself. The younger Floyd was a beast, but the older one is so much more conservative. He potshots and his legs are going. He cannot trade with Manny because Manny will keep on trading after Floyd has finished his 2-3 punch combination. And while Floyd is shelled up Manny will just hit everything else. Not scoring punches, but enough to keep Floyd from taking too many risks. Floyd can't take risks because Manny is quicker and will hurt him more.

Manny is just too good right now and I don't think anybody, not even Floyd, can keep him at bay over 12 rounds.

Why would Floyd trade with Manny? Marquez doesn't throw the same combinations that Manny does and he outboxed Manny at points in their fights, and he is nowhere near as fast as Floyd. And watching Manny throw anything except combinations Floyd is faster than him when it comes to individual punches, and Pacquiao won't be able to unload combinations when everytime he's about to get started he gets popped hard by Floyd.

We've seen time and time again that Manny doesn't throw as many punches when guys are landing cleanly on him and he isn't landing cleanly in return. Against Clottey I consider it landing while not landing, He wasn't hitting Clottey cleanly 90% of the time, but it's different missing the target all together. There are no signs that Floyd's legs are going at all, We've seen him fight more physically in his last two fights, and he didn't really need to use footwork, but we did see when Floyd pulled back and away from Marquez and Mosley they weren't fast enough to land anything on him.

I was very surprised by the amount of times I saw Margarito land horribly slow punches on Manny. Pacquiao has become such a combination punching machine that he hasn't developed a slow, methodical style as well, and Floyd will slow his output down, and make it his type of fight. Manny will be lost by the middle rounds and Floyd might even stop him late with the consistent body attack he uses on southpaws.

[chinchekked]

This performance should have no influence whatsoever on people's opinions of a mayweather v pacquiao outcome. Bottom line it that they are both extremely gifted and have both beat people much bigger than them now. I am not a fan of Mayweather's persona but let's not forget about what he did to a much bigger Corrales. Not taking side but just throwing that out there for arguments sake.

[El Kabong]

I'll take Pac over Mayweather all day now......Money May doesn't want any of that and if Mosley and some other guys can touch Floyd then you have to figure as fast as Manny can put punches together that he can not only hurt Floyd but drop him too and more than likely stop him. I know Margarito isn't a top defensive fighter and neither was Hatton or Cotto or even De la Hoya but Manny can bring the pain and I'd say those guys are all pretty tough and Manny just walked right through them for the most part.

I must say I will thoroughly enjoy seeing Mayweather get his shit handed to him.

[:::PSL:::]

Actually, it's more like... that fight made most people believe Floyd shit his pants last night.

[El Kabong]

Actually, it's more like... that fight made most people believe Floyd shit his pants last night.

More like it made Floyd say "Damn I didn't even beat my Baby Mama that bad"




.....yes I know domestic violence is not a funny issue

[:::PSL:::]

Actually, it's more like... that fight made most people believe Floyd shit his pants last night.

More like it made Floyd say "Damn I didn't even beat my Baby Mama that bad"




.....yes I know domestic violence is not a funny issue

Lmfao!

[Majesty]

Actually, it's more like... that fight made most people believe Floyd shit his pants last night.

So why would Pacquiao beating Margarito make Floyd more scared of him. When what Mosley did to Margarito was worse and he actually knocked him out and didn't get hit as much as Pacquiao did. Mosley dominated Margarito in a worse way then Pacquiao did and that didn't stop Floyd from fighting him. So why suddenly would Pacquiao beating Margarito make Floyd not want to fight him? I don't get the logic there.

Mayweather while out box Manny like he does anyone else, beating Margarito doesn't change thing. I mean come on Mosley beat Margarito quicker Manny did so not like he did anything special.

He deformed Marg's face. That's special enough to me.

more special then not taking any punishment and knocking him out?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I just think it would be an awesome fight.

Every time either on of em fight, it's like we've forgotten what awesome physical specimen's they both are!

[:::PSL:::]

Actually, it's more like... that fight made most people believe Floyd shit his pants last night.

So why would Pacquiao beating Margarito make Floyd more scared of him. When what Mosley did to Margarito was worse and he actually knocked him out and didn't get hit as much as Pacquiao did. Mosley dominated Margarito in a worse way then Pacquiao did and that didn't stop Floyd from fighting him. So why suddenly would Pacquiao beating Margarito make Floyd not want to fight him? I don't get the logic there.

Mayweather while out box Manny like he does anyone else, beating Margarito doesn't change thing. I mean come on Mosley beat Margarito quicker Manny did so not like he did anything special.

He deformed Marg's face. That's special enough to me.

more special then not taking any punishment and knocking him out?

Ofcourse. Pac broke Marg's facial bone. Pac inflicted more damage to Marg than Mosely did. The fight should've stopped 2 rounds early. Did you see Pac gesture when he looked at the ref? He had sympathy for him. He basically stopped punishing Marg. He could've knocked him out, but he chose not to.

[Andre]

I remember after Floyd beat Marquez people were starting to retract their belief that Manny would just run rampant on Floyd if they fought. Then Manny faced COtto and Clottey and that instilled the same enthusiasm in his fans until Floyd beat up Mosley whom many felt both Manny and Floyd were ducking. THen Manny faced the guy who Floyd has been given the most flack for not fighting in Antonio Margarito, and Manny has looked great, but does anyone think that Floyd wouldn't have pitched an absolute shut out against a guy as ordinary in skill as Antonio?

To me Manny has been hand fed the same makeup of opponent since moving up in weight. They have given him guys who allow Manny to make the most of his style and his speed. Diaz, ODLH(weight-drained), Hatton, Cotto, CLottey, and Margarito are all guys who come forward, and with the exception of a younger Oscar and Clottey they are all easy to hit. I will be the first to give Manny credit for looking absolutely amazing and being so tireless in training so that he could give the kind of performances he did, but these were all guys right there in front of him, and when anyone stands just right there in front of Manny they are going to lose. The one guy actually of all of them that was IMO the most impressive win for Manny was against Hatton, because he actually has fast footwork and he uses angles coming in, but he couldn't overcome those huge mistakes that he makes against southpaws in particular, and Manny was the absolutely antithesis of the type of guy hatton could get away with those mistakes again. But these guys made Manny look like a non-stop punching machine with power, counter punching ability, a great chin, and great footwork, but I would like to disagree to a certain extent this belief. I think it's curious that Manny was able to throw more punches than he ever did earlier in his career against guys so much bigger than him, but then I looked a little more closely. Manny's angles, combinations all came when his opponents were rooted to the ground. When Manny was dancing around these guys, they were simply following him, and standing their ground. Manny was basically given a punching bag that followed him around, and nobody looks faster or better on a heavybag than Manny Pacquiao. Go back and watch Pacquiao-marquez II and see Marquez either beat Manny to the punch with his right hand or take a step back to get just out of range of Manny's attack. This is from a guy who isn't even a particularly good defensive fighter, but he had a antidote to Manny's offense that looked so relentless against Morales two fights earlier, and watch Barrera go against Manny the second time. Or Jorge Solis, watch how that movement took away Manny's punch output.

Now I think Floyd would mostly come forward against Manny, but I think it would be in a similar way he did against Judah. I don't think he would be particularly lead leg heavy, and he would stay light on his feet so if Manny tried to come in with a combination that he could move away quickly and wait for Manny to be off balance before coming in, but I think he would also use similar tactics as Marquez and beat Manny to the punch because Manny kind of drops his hands before he ever throws punches in bunches, and a guy like Floyd could tee off on that. Furthermore watch how good offensively Mosley looked against Margarito, he looked amazingly fast, well conditioned, etc, etc. Even at the advanced stage of his career, but Floyd negated him, not because he was physically faster than Mosley as much as he was so much sharper in the ring. Now I saw Manny look great throwing punches at Margarito, Cotto, CLottey, etc, but I also saw Manny getting hit by punches on the outside, he is an amazing combination puncher, but he isn't the greatest boxer on the outside, and I think all it take is movement to dissipate Manny's offensive combinations, and then you have Manny at his weakest element and that's trying to box like Mayweather, Leonard, RJJ, Hopkins do. Take away his output and he is like any other fast fighter that isn't "different". What makes Manny different is his speed and power combined with his stamina. Floyd arguably has better stamina and vastly superior technique with the same speed. We've seen Manny exploited in the fact that he lacks true technique and I don't think his recent fights have forced him to change that. In fact I think his sparring in preparation for this fight prove that if Manny isn't at his fastest that he has a hard time with relatively ordinary fighters. Whereas a guy with really great technique can adapt way easier to variables in the ring.

So why is Floyd not wanting to fight Manny?

[generalbulldog]

I remember after Floyd beat Marquez people were starting to retract their belief that Manny would just run rampant on Floyd if they fought. Then Manny faced COtto and Clottey and that instilled the same enthusiasm in his fans until Floyd beat up Mosley whom many felt both Manny and Floyd were ducking. THen Manny faced the guy who Floyd has been given the most flack for not fighting in Antonio Margarito, and Manny has looked great, but does anyone think that Floyd wouldn't have pitched an absolute shut out against a guy as ordinary in skill as Antonio?

To me Manny has been hand fed the same makeup of opponent since moving up in weight. They have given him guys who allow Manny to make the most of his style and his speed. Diaz, ODLH(weight-drained), Hatton, Cotto, CLottey, and Margarito are all guys who come forward, and with the exception of a younger Oscar and Clottey they are all easy to hit. I will be the first to give Manny credit for looking absolutely amazing and being so tireless in training so that he could give the kind of performances he did, but these were all guys right there in front of him, and when anyone stands just right there in front of Manny they are going to lose. The one guy actually of all of them that was IMO the most impressive win for Manny was against Hatton, because he actually has fast footwork and he uses angles coming in, but he couldn't overcome those huge mistakes that he makes against southpaws in particular, and Manny was the absolutely antithesis of the type of guy hatton could get away with those mistakes again. But these guys made Manny look like a non-stop punching machine with power, counter punching ability, a great chin, and great footwork, but I would like to disagree to a certain extent this belief. I think it's curious that Manny was able to throw more punches than he ever did earlier in his career against guys so much bigger than him, but then I looked a little more closely. Manny's angles, combinations all came when his opponents were rooted to the ground. When Manny was dancing around these guys, they were simply following him, and standing their ground. Manny was basically given a punching bag that followed him around, and nobody looks faster or better on a heavybag than Manny Pacquiao. Go back and watch Pacquiao-marquez II and see Marquez either beat Manny to the punch with his right hand or take a step back to get just out of range of Manny's attack. This is from a guy who isn't even a particularly good defensive fighter, but he had a antidote to Manny's offense that looked so relentless against Morales two fights earlier, and watch Barrera go against Manny the second time. Or Jorge Solis, watch how that movement took away Manny's punch output.

Now I think Floyd would mostly come forward against Manny, but I think it would be in a similar way he did against Judah. I don't think he would be particularly lead leg heavy, and he would stay light on his feet so if Manny tried to come in with a combination that he could move away quickly and wait for Manny to be off balance before coming in, but I think he would also use similar tactics as Marquez and beat Manny to the punch because Manny kind of drops his hands before he ever throws punches in bunches, and a guy like Floyd could tee off on that. Furthermore watch how good offensively Mosley looked against Margarito, he looked amazingly fast, well conditioned, etc, etc. Even at the advanced stage of his career, but Floyd negated him, not because he was physically faster than Mosley as much as he was so much sharper in the ring. Now I saw Manny look great throwing punches at Margarito, Cotto, CLottey, etc, but I also saw Manny getting hit by punches on the outside, he is an amazing combination puncher, but he isn't the greatest boxer on the outside, and I think all it take is movement to dissipate Manny's offensive combinations, and then you have Manny at his weakest element and that's trying to box like Mayweather, Leonard, RJJ, Hopkins do. Take away his output and he is like any other fast fighter that isn't "different". What makes Manny different is his speed and power combined with his stamina. Floyd arguably has better stamina and vastly superior technique with the same speed. We've seen Manny exploited in the fact that he lacks true technique and I don't think his recent fights have forced him to change that. In fact I think his sparring in preparation for this fight prove that if Manny isn't at his fastest that he has a hard time with relatively ordinary fighters. Whereas a guy with really great technique can adapt way easier to variables in the ring.

So why is Floyd not wanting to fight Manny?

It's because Manny is on A-side meth.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

I remember after Floyd beat Marquez people were starting to retract their belief that Manny would just run rampant on Floyd if they fought. Then Manny faced COtto and Clottey and that instilled the same enthusiasm in his fans until Floyd beat up Mosley whom many felt both Manny and Floyd were ducking. THen Manny faced the guy who Floyd has been given the most flack for not fighting in Antonio Margarito, and Manny has looked great, but does anyone think that Floyd wouldn't have pitched an absolute shut out against a guy as ordinary in skill as Antonio?

To me Manny has been hand fed the same makeup of opponent since moving up in weight. They have given him guys who allow Manny to make the most of his style and his speed. Diaz, ODLH(weight-drained), Hatton, Cotto, CLottey, and Margarito are all guys who come forward, and with the exception of a younger Oscar and Clottey they are all easy to hit. I will be the first to give Manny credit for looking absolutely amazing and being so tireless in training so that he could give the kind of performances he did, but these were all guys right there in front of him, and when anyone stands just right there in front of Manny they are going to lose. The one guy actually of all of them that was IMO the most impressive win for Manny was against Hatton, because he actually has fast footwork and he uses angles coming in, but he couldn't overcome those huge mistakes that he makes against southpaws in particular, and Manny was the absolutely antithesis of the type of guy hatton could get away with those mistakes again. But these guys made Manny look like a non-stop punching machine with power, counter punching ability, a great chin, and great footwork, but I would like to disagree to a certain extent this belief. I think it's curious that Manny was able to throw more punches than he ever did earlier in his career against guys so much bigger than him, but then I looked a little more closely. Manny's angles, combinations all came when his opponents were rooted to the ground. When Manny was dancing around these guys, they were simply following him, and standing their ground. Manny was basically given a punching bag that followed him around, and nobody looks faster or better on a heavybag than Manny Pacquiao. Go back and watch Pacquiao-marquez II and see Marquez either beat Manny to the punch with his right hand or take a step back to get just out of range of Manny's attack. This is from a guy who isn't even a particularly good defensive fighter, but he had a antidote to Manny's offense that looked so relentless against Morales two fights earlier, and watch Barrera go against Manny the second time. Or Jorge Solis, watch how that movement took away Manny's punch output.

Now I think Floyd would mostly come forward against Manny, but I think it would be in a similar way he did against Judah. I don't think he would be particularly lead leg heavy, and he would stay light on his feet so if Manny tried to come in with a combination that he could move away quickly and wait for Manny to be off balance before coming in, but I think he would also use similar tactics as Marquez and beat Manny to the punch because Manny kind of drops his hands before he ever throws punches in bunches, and a guy like Floyd could tee off on that. Furthermore watch how good offensively Mosley looked against Margarito, he looked amazingly fast, well conditioned, etc, etc. Even at the advanced stage of his career, but Floyd negated him, not because he was physically faster than Mosley as much as he was so much sharper in the ring. Now I saw Manny look great throwing punches at Margarito, Cotto, CLottey, etc, but I also saw Manny getting hit by punches on the outside, he is an amazing combination puncher, but he isn't the greatest boxer on the outside, and I think all it take is movement to dissipate Manny's offensive combinations, and then you have Manny at his weakest element and that's trying to box like Mayweather, Leonard, RJJ, Hopkins do. Take away his output and he is like any other fast fighter that isn't "different". What makes Manny different is his speed and power combined with his stamina. Floyd arguably has better stamina and vastly superior technique with the same speed. We've seen Manny exploited in the fact that he lacks true technique and I don't think his recent fights have forced him to change that. In fact I think his sparring in preparation for this fight prove that if Manny isn't at his fastest that he has a hard time with relatively ordinary fighters. Whereas a guy with really great technique can adapt way easier to variables in the ring.

It doesnt matter who Pacquiao has to beat down, you will still say Pacquiao isnt as good as mayweather. But guess we will never truly know will we, because Floyd Mayweather is to big of Pussy to step into a ring with someone that can match and exceed his skills in every department. Floyd has never faced someone that can put together combinations the way Manny does. Do you really think "WHEN" Pacquiao landed that big shot that Mosley did that he wouldn't finish Mayweather off. Im really not sure why Im even waisting my time with this post. Mayweather nut hugging is in your genes and no amount of common sense is going to change your mind. Surely! Suuuuuuuurely! If Mayweather believed he could beat Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao and get the Biggest paycheck of his life, recieve more fame and adoration than ever before, and go down in history as arguably one of the best fighters of all time, he would take the fight. Mayweather does more harm for the sport than good and im sick of people idolizing someone that cherry picks his opponets, comes and goes giving no respect to the sport or fans and is a loser woman beater from a loser family. Mayweather dont bother coming back to boxing unless you want to face the P4p King. Arrogant, self proclaimed best ever, and rich and his little butts about to be owned by the state. Congratulations!