Pac and Marquez are still about the same weight.

[erics44]

are we having a peds discussion of a JMM v Pac fight discussion?

I think JMM is very very unlucky to have lost both those fights, if they had gone the other way pac would be less unlucky than JMM is if you get what i mean

JMM didn't lose both fights. 1 draw 1 loss. The more I read your posts the more I wonder if you have watched the fights. Ha. Its a pretty big one to get wrong considering how much you write about it.

Ha

yep dude you are right, you obviously are the voice of boxing

I bow to your amazingness

I'm not sure i have commented on JMM v Pac before tho, have I?

[hardcore_crash]

psl,

marquez is the only fighter who can give pacquiao fits. it's funny how pactardo fans never mention that the vast majority of pinoy sportswriters, philippine government officials and even your very own, nonito donaire thought marquez beat pacquiao in their rematch. most international boxing writers and U.S. boxing writers thought marquez beat pacquiao TWICE. and now you're saying marquez would be no match for pacquiao? don't be so ignorant. styles make fights and marquez has the perfect style to beat pacquiao. it's clearly becoming evident that team pacquiao is nothing more than a fraud and a fake. oh, sure, don't fight marquez cause he's old but they will fight mosley at 39 years old? besides, marquez isn't washed up like mosley. mosley is absolutely done as a legitimate championship fighter now. it's been evident that team pacquiao picks on fighters who will give them the least amount of resistance. and watch roach demand that mosley come in at a catchweight. it's bound to happen again. marquez is still a very formidable opponent for pacquiao. maybe that's why most of you pactardos don't want another marquez fight because if it wasn't for those corrupt judges, marquez would have beaten your anointed one twice.

Hahaa! "Philippine goverment officials" he says. Them against 80 million Filipinos, non-filipino, and official judges who thinks it was the right decision. The decision could have gone either way, kodus to both of them. But you have to understand that it's always hard to avoid controversy with a razor thin verdict like that.

True, styles make fights. But check this out though. Marquez, as great as he is, is no longer on the same level as Manny. If you don't see it that way, then you're a hater. Pac simply evolved into a juggernaut beyond the lightweight division. Pac would slauther him above 135.

Pac has won all fights he had over the 135-lb limit, all of which are against heavier and bigger opponents. In contrast, Marquez only has one showing beyond the lightweight limit and that was a losing, looking like shit against Floyd.

You forgot the 80 million Filipinos, the government and officials not only helps Pac win his fights for engaging in a boxing conspiracy, they also help provide Pac with A-Side meth to make him invincible in the ring.

You mean the same Pacquiao with the severe case of Trypanophobia

[generalbulldog]

psl,

marquez is the only fighter who can give pacquiao fits. it's funny how pactardo fans never mention that the vast majority of pinoy sportswriters, philippine government officials and even your very own, nonito donaire thought marquez beat pacquiao in their rematch. most international boxing writers and U.S. boxing writers thought marquez beat pacquiao TWICE. and now you're saying marquez would be no match for pacquiao? don't be so ignorant. styles make fights and marquez has the perfect style to beat pacquiao. it's clearly becoming evident that team pacquiao is nothing more than a fraud and a fake. oh, sure, don't fight marquez cause he's old but they will fight mosley at 39 years old? besides, marquez isn't washed up like mosley. mosley is absolutely done as a legitimate championship fighter now. it's been evident that team pacquiao picks on fighters who will give them the least amount of resistance. and watch roach demand that mosley come in at a catchweight. it's bound to happen again. marquez is still a very formidable opponent for pacquiao. maybe that's why most of you pactardos don't want another marquez fight because if it wasn't for those corrupt judges, marquez would have beaten your anointed one twice.

Hahaa! "Philippine goverment officials" he says. Them against 80 million Filipinos, non-filipino, and official judges who thinks it was the right decision. The decision could have gone either way, kodus to both of them. But you have to understand that it's always hard to avoid controversy with a razor thin verdict like that.

True, styles make fights. But check this out though. Marquez, as great as he is, is no longer on the same level as Manny. If you don't see it that way, then you're a hater. Pac simply evolved into a juggernaut beyond the lightweight division. Pac would slauther him above 135.

Pac has won all fights he had over the 135-lb limit, all of which are against heavier and bigger opponents. In contrast, Marquez only has one showing beyond the lightweight limit and that was a losing, looking like shit against Floyd.

You forgot the 80 million Filipinos, the government and officials not only helps Pac win his fights for engaging in a boxing conspiracy, they also help provide Pac with A-Side meth to make him invincible in the ring.

You mean the same Pacquiao with the severe case of Trypanophobia

I don't know about that. All I know is that this A-side meth makes you invincible not only in the boxing ring but also on the battlefield of war. Punches and bullets have no effect.

[hardcore_crash]

Lol, that A-side meth is crazy and who knows what they were thinking saying that.
But, that whole Pac needle phobia is crazy as well.

Back on topic, yes they are around the same weight Pac is obviously the sturdier of the two and he just doesn't seem to run out of steam these days..

[Chino]

Bob Arum NOW picking Shane Mosley as Pac’s next opponent doesn’t surprise me. Didn’t Shane Mosley asked for the fight years ago while he still had some gas left in the tank? I am surprised Bob Arum and Freddy Roach didn’t quickly ask Foreman for a fight after Cotto beat him.

As for Juanma vs Manny III, sure, even though Erik Morales beat him clearly and JMM gave Pac his most difficult challenge, the opposition that Manny has faced compared to Juanma may give Manny the edge on this one. Sure, Manny’s opponents may be going downhill, old, damaged goods, weight-drained, etc. Now that I think about it, JMM opposition is not a walk in the park either considering how they at least not passed their prime, downhill, damaged goods, etc.

Will there be random blood tests for this one?

[generalbulldog]

BTW, Pac's team did offered a 3rd fight to JMM in January of this year, JMM said he wanted 50/50 and OSDT up to the day of the fight. Well there you have it. At this stage only one name will get 50/50 and a OSDT. JMM a great fighter, but he ain't in the driver's seat to be making 50/50 demands and other stuff. That's like the UK making economic and political demands on China when they are in no position to.

Marquez Wanted 50-50 Split, Blood Tests For Pacquiao - Boxing News

[InTheNeutralCorner]

neutral,

yes i do consider the 2nd pacquiao/marquez fight a robbery. it's funny how bob arum wanted to install one of his judges he handpicked to be a judge. something is very fishy. i had marquez winning easily by three points. FYI, knockdowns alone do not determine fights. it's who wins most of the rounds and marquez won at least 8 rounds.

Three points isn't even a robbery considering that scoring in boxing is subjective unless one fighter is clearly ahead in the rounds. But that is your opinon. Now, if you have said that you think JMM was ahead by eight points, then I can understand you to think it was a robbery.

[hardcore_crash]

BTW, Pac's team did offered a 3rd fight to JMM in January of this year, JMM said he wanted 50/50 and OSDT up to the day of the fight. Well there you have it. At this stage only one name will get 50/50 and a OSDT. JMM a great fighter, but he ain't in the driver's seat to be making 50/50 demands and other stuff. That's like the UK making economic and political demands on China when they are in no position to.

Marquez Wanted 50-50 Split, Blood Tests For Pacquiao - Boxing News

Same time most people said they wanted OST for a fight with Pacquiao.
GBP said any fighter they promote would demand that against Pacquiao, some how Arum refuses to do any work with GBP now
Top Rank and the people surrounding Manny are a joke, a complete joke.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Bob Arum NOW picking Shane Mosley as Pac’s next opponent doesn’t surprise me. Didn’t Shane Mosley asked for the fight years ago while he still had some gas left in the tank? I am surprised Bob Arum and Freddy Roach didn’t quickly ask Foreman for a fight after Cotto beat him.

As for Juanma vs Manny III, sure, even though Erik Morales beat him clearly and JMM gave Pac his most difficult challenge, the opposition that Manny has faced compared to Juanma may give Manny the edge on this one. Sure, Manny’s opponents may be going downhill, old, damaged goods, etc. Now that I think about it, JMM opposition is not a walk in the park either considering how they at least not passed their prime, downhill, damaged goods, etc.

Will there be random blood tests for this one?

I don't agree with Bob Arum trying to match Pacquiao with Mosley but I agree with random blood test. Should they also check in the blood test the presence of urine?

[generalbulldog]

BTW, Pac's team did offered a 3rd fight to JMM in January of this year, JMM said he wanted 50/50 and OSDT up to the day of the fight. Well there you have it. At this stage only one name will get 50/50 and a OSDT. JMM a great fighter, but he ain't in the driver's seat to be making 50/50 demands and other stuff. That's like the UK making economic and political demands on China when they are in no position to.

Marquez Wanted 50-50 Split, Blood Tests For Pacquiao - Boxing News

Same time most people said they wanted OST for a fight with Pacquiao.
GBP said any fighter they promote would demand that against Pacquiao, some how Arum refuses to do any work with GBP now
Top Rank and the people surrounding Manny are a joke, a complete joke.

Quite a few people on this site said Pacquiao was scared of JMM and didn't want a 2nd fight till years later or a 3rd fight. 2nd fight offered for early '05, it was turned down to fight 2 bums and Chris John for 30k after their 1st fight. 3rd fight offered this year and also turned down. JMM should know who has the bigger leverage in negotiations and who is the bigger draw, it ain't JMM. Great fighter, but he doesn't have the clout to demand 50/50 money split and OSDT.

Let's take Mayweather, he got paid something like 8 million for fighting Baldomir the lineal champ at 147 while Baldomir got paid around 1 million. Mayweather also dictated ring and glove size.You know why that is? Because Mayweather is the bigger draw and star, not Baldomir.

BTW other fighters that didn't care about those rumors of A-side meth and would have fought Pac were Bradley and Mosley, although at the time Mosley was about to fight Berto before the earthquake in Haiti put an end to that match.

[hardcore_crash]

I agree, Marquez shouldn't be asking for a 50/50 deal.
The thing about Mosley, he would love to have a chance against Pacquiao because he knows "anything goes".
And Bradley, good for him for not demanding it.
Though IMO, why wouldn't you want to have a fighter have OST if you have nothing to hide either, unless you are making completely unmatched paycheck and exposure.
And have something to prove.

[Rantcatrat]

What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

How many times as Marquez fought above 135? Is it me or was his only foray above 135 against Mayweather? If his only loss is against Floyd Mayweather above 135, could it be that his presumed ineffectiveness above 135 has been exaggerated? Maybe it's just he faced a better fighter in Mayweather. Maybe Marquez potentially could be effective above 135.

[skel1983]

What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

How many times as Marquez fought above 135? Is it me or was his only foray above 135 against Mayweather? If his only loss is against Floyd Mayweather above 135, could it be that his presumed uneffectiveness above 135 has been exaggerated? Maybe it's just he faced a better fighter in Mayweather. Maybe Marquez potentially could be effective above 135.

Personally I don't he is that effective above 135, but as I said he aint fighting no Welterweight in Pac he is fghting a man that comes in fight night weighing the same as the majority of 135 fighters.


I think Pac would be bad for him at this time in his career.

[Cressa121]

What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

How many times as Marquez fought above 135? Is it me or was his only foray above 135 against Mayweather? If his only loss is against Floyd Mayweather above 135, could it be that his presumed uneffectiveness above 135 has been exaggerated? Maybe it's just he faced a better fighter in Mayweather. Maybe Marquez potentially could be effective above 135.

You're right his only fight above lightweight was against Mayweather. Maybe the contracted weight shouldn't be as much of an issue, taking into account the fight night weights skel put up showing there isn't much difference between the two, and the possibility you raised that JMM's ineffectiveness above 135 may be exaggerated?

Personally this fight appeals to me, though I'd rather it at 140 as I think its a weight both fighters can make without issue and its in-between the 2 weights they're both campaigning at now. For me this fight appeals more than most other possible fights for Pacquiao right now because of the style match up and history between the two, JMM's skill hasn't been diminishing lately and I think he'd still cause Pacquiao problems. It'd certainly be interesting and if a Mayweather fight isn't made next - which IMO is highly unlikely - then I'd like to see the trilogy

[ono]

What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

Over the last 4 years Pac's on the night weights have increased by a total of 5lbs, but in that period of time he's fought in 5 different weight classes. He weighed in at 144lbs against Morales in 06, and weighed in at 149 against Clottey. That's the lowest and the highest he's gone.

When Pacquiao and Marquez fought in 08, Pacquiao had a 4lb advantage on the night.

As for Marquez being ineffective at 135, i can only point to the fact that he's actually stopped Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor at 135. People talk about the competitiveness of the fights as an indicator of Marquez not being solid at that weight, but i think that is more down to how he has chosen to fight. Toe to toe mainly, and it's worked because he has stopped all 3 opponents. When he ventured above 135 he fought Mayweather. Mayweather is exceptional. I'd give Marquez a great shot at anyone at 140.