I think JMM beats Bradley @ 140.

[bcollins]

No doubt about that.

[No Contest]

One thing we can all agree on is that it's a much better fight than Morales at 140. That's for sure.

I know, Morales is gonna make him look like an amateur.

[Violent Demise]

One thing we can all agree on is that it's a much better fight than Morales at 140. That's for sure.

Morales TKO 10 Bradley

[Taeth]

I can't believe people are actually favoring Marquez over Bradley. Did you watch Marquez not being able to land anything on mayweather? Well Bradley has a really hard defense to crack, he's much faster than Marquez, and he has a great stylistic advantage over jmm. There is not much a guy like jmm can do against this style because he comes straight forward, and that's why he could not circumvent floyd's jab, and why bradley would out box jmm on the outside. Not enough angles and jmm doesn't have any punches that extend his reach without forcing him off balance. It would be a fun fight though.

Bradley has a hard defense to crack? Since when? Did you miss Kendall Holt twice floor Bradley? Holt pretty much gave Bradley the fight by refusing to throw punches. A problem Marquez does not have. Not to mention Holt's offense pretty much consists of one punch. He doesn't have the arsenal Marquez has. Marquez can throw every punch in the book. He'll dissect Bradley without much trouble. If Mayweather or the juiced up Pacquiao couldn't stop Marquez. Than Bradley can't either

How can you say compare Holt to Marquez? Just by trying to say one guy did this, then everyone can. Look at how Zab Judah caught Mayweather often early in their fight. Like Holt he has a good power, he's very fast and he actually quite a good pure boxer. If JMM tried to box with Holt on the outside he would get picked apart. Holt is faster, he hits harder, and he has the reach advantage, but he folds mentally after awhile when he is being pressured just like Zab Judah. As soon as you figure out the method to encapsulate them then they are done. They don't have that adjustment great boxers make to win fights. But besides Kendall Holt who has reached Bradley with regularity? Nobody, because he actually does have a really good defense despite the fact he pressures his opponent. This isn't about race as much as style, but african american's generally have a long style where they learn to really get an effective long jab. Mexican's try more to box with solid fundamentals and combinations on the inside, they don't lunge or use a lot of upper body movement, they stick to the basics and use their fundamental skills and their great determination to beat opponents. THe problem they have against african americans who fight with the style I am talking about is that they can't get around the jab, and they aren't used to facing a guy who slips a lot and use a lot of slips coming in, probably because that african-american slick style doesn't exist as much in the smaller weight classes because there aren't very many elite african-american's down at those weight classes. Now JMM is probably the pennacle of the mexican style, nobody has had more technique and determination than he does, but this is just a style he can't overcome. If he has a target then he can compete with anyone that isn't too big, but Timothy use way too much movement(both with his body and feet), and like FLoyd's style it will freeze JMM offense. He won't know what to do because he doesn't encounter this style enough, and his style is poorly equipped to deal with it.

Timothy Bradley doesn't fight exactly like Mayweather, he doesn't have the build or speed to do so, but he is very elusive and he's adapts incredibly well like Floyd does, but he doesn't need to be as good as Floyd to beat a guy like JMM who is at such a big disadvantage stylistically. And he is nothing like Juan Diaz, who takes punches off his arms and tries to outwork you, if you think they are a basically the same fighter then I am going to let you believe that and stop messaging on this because it just wasting both of our time because besides pressure they are completely different which is why Timothy has been so much more successful.

[Violent Demise]

I can't believe people are actually favoring Marquez over Bradley. Did you watch Marquez not being able to land anything on mayweather? Well Bradley has a really hard defense to crack, he's much faster than Marquez, and he has a great stylistic advantage over jmm. There is not much a guy like jmm can do against this style because he comes straight forward, and that's why he could not circumvent floyd's jab, and why bradley would out box jmm on the outside. Not enough angles and jmm doesn't have any punches that extend his reach without forcing him off balance. It would be a fun fight though.

Bradley has a hard defense to crack? Since when? Did you miss Kendall Holt twice floor Bradley? Holt pretty much gave Bradley the fight by refusing to throw punches. A problem Marquez does not have. Not to mention Holt's offense pretty much consists of one punch. He doesn't have the arsenal Marquez has. Marquez can throw every punch in the book. He'll dissect Bradley without much trouble. If Mayweather or the juiced up Pacquiao couldn't stop Marquez. Than Bradley can't either

How can you say compare Holt to Marquez? Just by trying to say one guy did this, then everyone can. Look at how Zab Judah caught Mayweather often early in their fight. Like Holt he has a good power, he's very fast and he actually quite a good pure boxer. If JMM tried to box with Holt on the outside he would get picked apart. Holt is faster, he hits harder, and he has the reach advantage, but he folds mentally after awhile when he is being pressured just like Zab Judah. As soon as you figure out the method to encapsulate them then they are done. They don't have that adjustment great boxers make to win fights. But besides Kendall Holt who has reached Bradley with regularity? Nobody, because he actually does have a really good defense despite the fact he pressures his opponent. This isn't about race as much as style, but african american's generally have a long style where they learn to really get an effective long jab. Mexican's try more to box with solid fundamentals and combinations on the inside, they don't lunge or use a lot of upper body movement, they stick to the basics and use their fundamental skills and their great determination to beat opponents. THe problem they have against african americans who fight with the style I am talking about is that they can't get around the jab, and they aren't used to facing a guy who slips a lot and use a lot of slips coming in, probably because that african-american slick style doesn't exist as much in the smaller weight classes because there aren't very many elite african-american's down at those weight classes. Now JMM is probably the pennacle of the mexican style, nobody has had more technique and determination than he does, but this is just a style he can't overcome. If he has a target then he can compete with anyone that isn't too big, but Timothy use way too much movement(both with his body and feet), and like FLoyd's style it will freeze JMM offense. He won't know what to do because he doesn't encounter this style enough, and his style is poorly equipped to deal with it.

Timothy Bradley doesn't fight exactly like Mayweather, he doesn't have the build or speed to do so, but he is very elusive and he's adapts incredibly well like Floyd does, but he doesn't need to be as good as Floyd to beat a guy like JMM who is at such a big disadvantage stylistically. And he is nothing like Juan Diaz, who takes punches off his arms and tries to outwork you, if you think they are a basically the same fighter then I am going to let you believe that and stop messaging on this because it just wasting both of our time because besides pressure they are completely different which is why Timothy has been so much more successful.

They don't. But Marquez does. He's done it plenty of times before in his career. Judah and Holt ain't great fighters. Marquez is. Bradley is a good fighter. But he ain't great. Maybe he will be one day. But he ain't now. I know what your saying about blacks and there style. But if I remember correctly Marquez took the heart and made quit a African American fighter who employed a jab. Was tall. And liked to move around the ring. Knock Derrick Gainer all you want. But don't tell me he doesn't employ the African American style your talking about

[Taeth]

I can't believe people are actually favoring Marquez over Bradley. Did you watch Marquez not being able to land anything on mayweather? Well Bradley has a really hard defense to crack, he's much faster than Marquez, and he has a great stylistic advantage over jmm. There is not much a guy like jmm can do against this style because he comes straight forward, and that's why he could not circumvent floyd's jab, and why bradley would out box jmm on the outside. Not enough angles and jmm doesn't have any punches that extend his reach without forcing him off balance. It would be a fun fight though.

Bradley has a hard defense to crack? Since when? Did you miss Kendall Holt twice floor Bradley? Holt pretty much gave Bradley the fight by refusing to throw punches. A problem Marquez does not have. Not to mention Holt's offense pretty much consists of one punch. He doesn't have the arsenal Marquez has. Marquez can throw every punch in the book. He'll dissect Bradley without much trouble. If Mayweather or the juiced up Pacquiao couldn't stop Marquez. Than Bradley can't either

How can you say compare Holt to Marquez? Just by trying to say one guy did this, then everyone can. Look at how Zab Judah caught Mayweather often early in their fight. Like Holt he has a good power, he's very fast and he actually quite a good pure boxer. If JMM tried to box with Holt on the outside he would get picked apart. Holt is faster, he hits harder, and he has the reach advantage, but he folds mentally after awhile when he is being pressured just like Zab Judah. As soon as you figure out the method to encapsulate them then they are done. They don't have that adjustment great boxers make to win fights. But besides Kendall Holt who has reached Bradley with regularity? Nobody, because he actually does have a really good defense despite the fact he pressures his opponent. This isn't about race as much as style, but african american's generally have a long style where they learn to really get an effective long jab. Mexican's try more to box with solid fundamentals and combinations on the inside, they don't lunge or use a lot of upper body movement, they stick to the basics and use their fundamental skills and their great determination to beat opponents. THe problem they have against african americans who fight with the style I am talking about is that they can't get around the jab, and they aren't used to facing a guy who slips a lot and use a lot of slips coming in, probably because that african-american slick style doesn't exist as much in the smaller weight classes because there aren't very many elite african-american's down at those weight classes. Now JMM is probably the pennacle of the mexican style, nobody has had more technique and determination than he does, but this is just a style he can't overcome. If he has a target then he can compete with anyone that isn't too big, but Timothy use way too much movement(both with his body and feet), and like FLoyd's style it will freeze JMM offense. He won't know what to do because he doesn't encounter this style enough, and his style is poorly equipped to deal with it.

Timothy Bradley doesn't fight exactly like Mayweather, he doesn't have the build or speed to do so, but he is very elusive and he's adapts incredibly well like Floyd does, but he doesn't need to be as good as Floyd to beat a guy like JMM who is at such a big disadvantage stylistically. And he is nothing like Juan Diaz, who takes punches off his arms and tries to outwork you, if you think they are a basically the same fighter then I am going to let you believe that and stop messaging on this because it just wasting both of our time because besides pressure they are completely different which is why Timothy has been so much more successful.

They don't. But Marquez does. He's done it plenty of times before in his career. Judah and Holt ain't great fighters. Marquez is. Bradley is a good fighter. But he ain't great. Maybe he will be one day. But he ain't now. I know what your saying about blacks and there style. But if I remember correctly Marquez took the heart and made quit a African American fighter who employed a jab. Was tall. And liked to move around the ring. Knock Derrick Gainer all you want. But don't tell me he doesn't employ the African American style your talking about

Derrick Gainer was a boxer, not a fighter. THe difference between guys like Judah, Holt, Gainer, Michael Nunn to a certian extent, is that they were just boxers, and one dimensional in that regard. Mayweather, Hopkins, Whitaker, Leonard, RJJ, and he's not in their league yet but timothy bradley can do it all. We've seen Marquez do small changes, but nothing like he would need to beat Bradley because he might change his timing or distance in a fight, but he doesn't change angles or his style. If you are one dimensional even as a great athlete, and I don't mean even that you can only box or punch, but a guy that can do either one at any moment. If you box-punch all the time like a guy like Meldrick Taylor or Miguel Cotto then there is a chance that when they fight a guy who can walk through their punches that they will be in big trouble.

I think JMM is a terrific fighter, but a guy with substance with Bradley's style and skill will beat him almost everytime. He is just poorly equipped if a guy jab effective and move, not just JMM but almost all mexican fighters are. It's not an insult its just how styles work.