How Big an Advantage Is Freddie Roach?

[Mars_ax]

In my Roger Mayweather voice, "Motherfucker don't know shit about boxing. What has the motherfucker done in his boxing career? He ain't done shit thats what motherfucker. Motherfucker is a homosection."

Good stuff bulldog, this cracked me up, I do think you could have used motherfucker a few more times, i'm sure Roger would have.

[Mars_ax]

IamInuit's post on Bertos corner got me thinking. How many first class trainers are left in the sport and does Freddie Roach in particular provide his fighters with a major advantage?

I am persuaded training boxers is almost always learned as an apprenticeship, so the pedigree of a trainer often says something.

I think Freddie is the last of the Eddie Futch line of trainers.
I don't think any Ray Arcel/Whitey Bimstein/Charley Goldman disciples are left.
No Jack Blackburn disciples left.
I suppose Sweet Pea is a disciple of Lou Duva although I don't really know how active he is as a trainer.
Buddy McGirt is the only Al Certo disciple I can think of.
Nacho Beristain is the only Cuyo Hernandez disciple I know of.
Manny Stewart is mostly self-taught.
Teddy Atlas is the only disciple of Cus even remotely active I believe.

How many other current trainers learned at the foot of a great?

I think the answer is not many and maybe not any. I am happy to be corrected on this assertion.

When I grew up watching and learning the sport (began around 1970) it seemed like every time I watched a fight there were legends in each corner. Arcel vs Dundee or Futch vs Hernandez or Duva vs Clancy. Now it often seems like one stud trainer against an overwhelmed guy, or two overwhelmed guys.

I think Freddie Roach learned from the best of the best and offers his fighters a relative advantage over their foes few others have ever brought. Am I nuts?

I guess it's a matter of opinion if it's a big advantage having Freddie Roach as your trainer, Roach's critics for example might say that Pacquiao would be great with or with or without him. I'd like to think that Freddie is something very special as a trainer, and he's proven that time and time again. Whether Roach is solid old school, just a great instructor, or simply has the ability to get the best out of his charges, he's able to get results, and that's what really counts and makes him one of the best trainers in the world.

BTW Marble, make no mistake about it, you are nuts, but it has nothing to do with the fact that you know a hell of a lot about boxing. (j/k bro, cheers)

[marbleheadmaui]

IamInuit's post on Bertos corner got me thinking. How many first class trainers are left in the sport and does Freddie Roach in particular provide his fighters with a major advantage?

I am persuaded training boxers is almost always learned as an apprenticeship, so the pedigree of a trainer often says something.

I think Freddie is the last of the Eddie Futch line of trainers.
I don't think any Ray Arcel/Whitey Bimstein/Charley Goldman disciples are left.
No Jack Blackburn disciples left.
I suppose Sweet Pea is a disciple of Lou Duva although I don't really know how active he is as a trainer.
Buddy McGirt is the only Al Certo disciple I can think of.
Nacho Beristain is the only Cuyo Hernandez disciple I know of.
Manny Stewart is mostly self-taught.
Teddy Atlas is the only disciple of Cus even remotely active I believe.

How many other current trainers learned at the foot of a great?

I think the answer is not many and maybe not any. I am happy to be corrected on this assertion.

When I grew up watching and learning the sport (began around 1970) it seemed like every time I watched a fight there were legends in each corner. Arcel vs Dundee or Futch vs Hernandez or Duva vs Clancy. Now it often seems like one stud trainer against an overwhelmed guy, or two overwhelmed guys.

I think Freddie Roach learned from the best of the best and offers his fighters a relative advantage over their foes few others have ever brought. Am I nuts?

I guess it's a matter of opinion if it's a big advantage having Freddie Roach as your trainer, Roach's critics for example might say that Pacquiao would be great with or with or without him. I'd like to think that Freddie is something very special as a trainer, and he's proven that time and time again. Whether Roach is solid old school, just a great instructor, or simply has the ability to get the best out of his charges, he's able to get results, and that's what really counts and makes him one of the best trainers in the world.

BTW Marble, make no mistake about it, you are nuts, but it has nothing to do with the fact that you know a hell of a lot about boxing. (j/k bro, cheers)

Dude, hush! These guys don't need to know that! I don't want to get tossed the first week!

[0james0]

What line does Adam Booth desend from?

He might be a bit of a dick, but I rate him very highly as a trainer, particularly when it comes to fight tactics.

[El Kabong]

What line does Adam Booth desend from?

He might be a bit of a dick, but I rate him very highly as a trainer, particularly when it comes to fight tactics.

...the Richard Simmons line?