How could Frazier have EVER beaten Foreman?

[Master]

If Frasier could survive into the later rounds then he had a good chance of winning. Tying up George, moving side to side, and not getting pushed about as much. Joe had better stamina and endurance but was small in comparison to George.

[marbleheadmaui]

If Frasier could survive into the later rounds then he had a good chance of winning. Tying up George, moving side to side, and not getting pushed about as much. Joe had better stamina and endurance but was small in comparison to George.

But isn't that asking Smokin' Joe not to Smoke?

[Master]

If Frasier could survive into the later rounds then he had a good chance of winning. Tying up George, moving side to side, and not getting pushed about as much. Joe had better stamina and endurance but was small in comparison to George.

But isn't that asking Smokin' Joe not to Smoke?

Just until the first 5 rounds then he can start the bad ass work when George would be tired.

[Mars_ax]

Geezus, what ever happened to all the great American HW's, Guys like Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, et al. Who knew that era would be the last great era for American HWs?

If Frazier didn't leave himself so wide open in his 1st fight with Foreman, did a better job of blocking Big George's big bombs, and caught Foreman with some of his powerful left hooks early in the fight, it might have changed the outcome. As it turned out Foreman just waded in with impunity, hit Fraizer with everything but the kitchen sink, with virtually nothing coming back in return.

[Mars_ax]

Frazier -Foreman I: ( it's kind of hard to see how Frazier could ever win a fight with Foreman ain't it )

[brocktonblockbust]

hit Fraizer with everything but the kitchen sink

Sadly, I think even saw the kitchen sink in there at one point in the 1st round. May have been that 2nd knockdown uppercut which I still marvel did not DECAPITATE Frazier.

[rjj tszyu]

One thing about Frazier is he had amazing durability and an undeniable will to win. How many people could keep getting up the way he did from the shots he did?

[Mars_ax]

One thing about Frazier is he had amazing durability and an undeniable will to win. How many people could keep getting up the way he did from the shots he did?

No kidding, and he never quit, the ref stopped the fight and anyone who doubts Frazier's heart needs to watch Ali-Frazier III, "The Thrilla", Frazier's corner stopped the fight, but Joe undoubtedly would have fought til he was unconscious.

[rjj tszyu]

One thing about Frazier is he had amazing durability and an undeniable will to win. How many people could keep getting up the way he did from the shots he did?

No kidding, and he never quit, the ref stopped the fight and anyone who doubts Frazier heart needs to watch Ali-Frazier III, "The Thrilla", Frazier's corner stopped the fight, but Joe undoubtedly would have fought til he was unconscious.

As legend has it, Ali was asking Dundee to pull him out and Dundee told him to wait because he thought Fraziers corner were pulling him. Ah the good old days. Bring back 15 rounders I say.

[brocktonblockbust]

Ali said it was "like Death". He said he couldnt believe how strong Frazier was even til the end.

[X]

George just had the right physique and style to beat Smokin Joe 9 times out of 10. Ali had the right style to beat Foreman and Frazier had the right style to beat Ali. Styles make fights!!

Someone asked a bit earlier what would happen if a prime Foreman was brought into today's heavyweight division .......... well, he'd chop through them all like a Sherman tank through a cornfield - we's see carnage. It would be like Mr T's highlight reel in Rocky III !!!!

[AdamGB]

Joe's style was all wrong for beating Foreman... It's like crashing your harley into a Humvee.

Styles aside, I think George was simply too big.

[AdamGB]

George just had the right physique and style to beat Smokin Joe 9 times out of 10. Ali had the right style to beat Foreman and Frazier had the right style to beat Ali. Styles make fights!!

Someone asked a bit earlier what would happen if a prime Foreman was brought into today's heavyweight division .......... well, he'd chop through them all like a Sherman tank through a cornfield - we's see carnage. It would be like Mr T's highlight reel in Rocky III !!!!

Foreman would crush today's division... hell Frank bloody bruno would stand a chance too.

Big George had a size advantage over most of the guys he fought, but he did what you want to see such a guy do to his opposition - smash them.

Much more refreshing than watching a big guy spend 9-10 rounds pawing away at a short fat fighter with mediocre skills who is trying get paid without getting hurt too much.

[Master]

The best Frazier ( probably against Ali in their first fight) would lose to George most time. Frazier needed to move more and give George some angles. Maybe Joe had more resistance earlier in his career, he was getting blind after the Ali fight, and survived until the later rounds where he could asset himself more against a tiring George.

Frazier lost to Ali two times out of 3 but I see your point X.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Man, this is just one big thread full of analogies

All very true though!