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    Default Is the general opinion of wlad deserved?

    his brother aside wlad is currently considered the best HW out there in current form, dominant and unbeatable against the current crop, including David Haye

    If we look at when his current form started (which arguably started after Sam Peter 1) how good has that run been?

    what has his best win been in that time? How many of his oppponents had the tools to trouble any of the main HW champs of years gone by? In that time how many times has wlad been in a fight where his opponent has a real chance of winning?

    In current form would David Haye have had any more trouble with these fighters than wlad has?

    Has wlad ever been really such an outstanding heavyweight?
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    Default Re: Is the general opinion of wlad deserved?

    Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.

    What more can we really ask?

    Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?

    As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.

    What more can we really ask?

    Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?

    As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.

    thats true but its the fun of a discussion

    who is wlads best opponent during that time? chagaev? how do you think he would have done against him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.

    What more can we really ask?

    Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?

    As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.

    thats true but its the fun of a discussion

    who is wlads best opponent during that time? chagaev? how do you think he would have done against him?
    [scratching head]

    Chagaev or Chambers I suppose. 13 loses to both.
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    Default Re: Is the general opinion of wlad deserved?

    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.

    What more can we really ask?

    Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?

    As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.

    thats true but its the fun of a discussion

    who is wlads best opponent during that time? chagaev? how do you think he would have done against him?
    [scratching head]

    Chagaev or Chambers I suppose. 13 loses to both.

    13?

    do you honestly think haye would lose to chag? there really is no chance, matt skelton outboxed chag for 3 rounds
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    13........mwahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.

    What more can we really ask?

    Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?

    As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.

    thats true but its the fun of a discussion

    who is wlads best opponent during that time? chagaev? how do you think he would have done against him?
    [scratching head]

    Chagaev or Chambers I suppose. 13 loses to both.

    13?

    do you honestly think haye would lose to chag? there really is no chance, matt skelton outboxed chag for 3 rounds
    Well we'll never know because your boy won't fight him.

    Wlad fought him on short notice and whipped his ass. Wlad had first offered that fight to Valuev who...for some odd reason declined.

    Wlad's competition compared to the WBA title holder's is amazing. Wlad's competition never had a chance because Wlad is a great fighter, the WBA title holder's competition never had a chance because they sucked....Audley Harrison Monte Barrett Wlad whipped Monte Barrett YEARS ago!

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    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.

    What more can we really ask?

    Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?

    As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.

    thats true but its the fun of a discussion

    who is wlads best opponent during that time? chagaev? how do you think he would have done against him?
    [scratching head]

    Chagaev or Chambers I suppose. 13 loses to both.

    13?

    do you honestly think haye would lose to chag? there really is no chance, matt skelton outboxed chag for 3 rounds
    John Ruiz was robbed against Chagaev for christ sake. Look what Haye did to him.

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    Makes me laugh how neither of the klitchkos got in wiv valuev, ok hes a big dumb giant wiv no skill but awkward as hell, fair play 2 haye not many people would of chose 2 box valuev,

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    Default Re: Is the general opinion of wlad deserved?

    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    his brother aside wlad is currently considered the best HW out there in current form, dominant and unbeatable against the current crop, including David Haye

    If we look at when his current form started (which arguably started after Sam Peter 1) how good has that run been?

    what has his best win been in that time? How many of his oppponents had the tools to trouble any of the main HW champs of years gone by? In that time how many times has wlad been in a fight where his opponent has a real chance of winning?

    In current form would David Haye have had any more trouble with these fighters than wlad has?

    Has wlad ever been really such an outstanding heavyweight?
    He's done all you can ask of a champion. Fought ranked guys, taken unification fights whenever possible (the Chagaev fight was supposed to be unification after all bu the WBA changed their mind on recognising Chagaev). People expecting him to fight his own brother are being ridiculous, and just looking for excuses to critisize. He's taking the best challenge available right now in Haye, and wasn't the one who pulled out of the first fight. He'd probably get more love if he had a more attacking style. Other than that what can he do? It's not his Wladimirs fault heavyweight lacks any fighters to get excited about.

    As for his best foe faced, Byrd was a very respectable fighter when they first fought, in his current run I'd go with either Ibragimov or Chagaev, probably Ibragimov as Ruslan had some many health and inactivity problems he probably didn't get the best of him.

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    I am pretty sure that Haye is going to get knocked out by Wald and i pretty sure even then people won't give Wald much credit but hey i am still looking forward to seeing this fight should be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr140 View Post
    I am pretty sure that Haye is going to get knocked out by Wald and i pretty sure even then people won't give Wald much credit but hey i am still looking forward to seeing this fight should be good.
    I think its a ko finish 4 either man, hayes chin is still suspect, but on the other hand haye has genuine ko power + when he hurts a man is an expert at finishing the job with speed and massive amounts of punches, similar to how pacman swarms on his opponents, roll on july! its finally a heavy weight clash worth watching!!

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    Come on wlad knock haye out!!
    Do it for England

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dropanuke View Post
    Come on wlad knock haye out!!
    Do it for England
    Why on Earth would you want him to get KO'd for England He's really exciting and one of the best boxers ever!


    He said so himself!

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