Real worldchampions of each division?

[Matias64]

Looks like there are perhaps 5,6 or even more worldchampions in each division of professional boxing. But what's your opinion about real champions of each division?

The Ring:

Heavyweight - Vladimir Klitschko (no doubt he or his brother)
Cruiserweight - Steve Cunningham (he might be but he has lost twice)
Light Heavyweight - Bernard Hopkins (ain't there really some fresh new one?)
Super Middleweight - Andre Ward

Now that's is a real question. They arranged so called "big six tournament" (or something like that). And do you really believe you can forget Lucian Bute? Really? It's most likely battle : Ward versus Bute.

Middleweight - Sergio Martinez (he deserved it)
Jr. Middleweight - Miguel Cotto (after painfully punished by Margarito and Pacman?)
Welterweight - Pacman (making a joke by protesting this decision?)
Jr. Welterweight - Amir Khan (very, very debatable issue)
Lightweight - Juan Manuel Marquez (another old man)
Jr. Lightweight - Mzonke Fana (after 4 defeats?)
Featherweight - Yuriorkis Gamboa (perhaps i have to accept this one)
Bantamweight - Nonito Donaire ( He really deserve it, can take Featherweight and Jr. Lightweight crown too)
Jr. Bantamweight - Omar Narvaez (haven't lost so far)
Flyweight - Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (10 years on list of The Ring)

Jr. Featherweight, Strawweight and Jr. Flyweight (no idea, no interested at all)

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As we may notice there are not many boxers who really are appreciated as real worldchampions of boxing without serious doubts. They are Manny Pacquaio, Nonito Donaire, Klitschko (Vladimir or Vitali?), Omar Narvaez (some doubts) and Sergio Martinez. All the rest have more or less some serious problems to convince the public (and media).

[erics44]

I'd agree with andre ward as super middleweight champ

Bute should be in third behind Froch

[badr_hari]

LEGITIMATE WORLD CHAMPIONS ARE:

Wladimir Klitschko at heavyweight
Bernard Hopkins at Light Heavyweight
winner of Ward vs Froch at Super middleweight
Marquez at lightweight

These are the Champions, The number of Titleholders is much bigger.

[Matias64]

LEGITIMATE WORLD CHAMPIONS ARE:

Wladimir Klitschko at heavyweight
Bernard Hopkins at Light Heavyweight
winner of Ward vs Froch at Super middleweight
Marquez at lightweight

These are the Champions, The number of Titleholders is much bigger.

What about Pacman and Nonito Donaire?

[Matias64]

I'd agree with andre ward as super middleweight champ

Bute should be in third behind Froch

Frog lost that Kessler-fight (Kessler is slow boxer) and actually in real life lost also that Dirrell-fight too. On the other hand Bute has destroyed more or less brutally all his opponents especially with horrible body punches. Let's put Frog to his own category as an bigmouth english mediahyped boxer.

[Fenster]

I'd agree with andre ward as super middleweight champ

Bute should be in third behind Froch

Frog lost that Kessler-fight (Kessler is slow boxer) and actually in real life lost also that Dirrell-fight too. On the other hand Bute has destroyed more or less brutally all his opponents especially with horrible body punches. Let's put Frog to his own category as an bigmouth english mediahyped boxer.

Frog and Bute have these common opponents - Magee and Tatevosyan.

Bute beats Tatevosyan PTS. Frog beats him KO 2. Bute beats ancient old Magee KO 10. FRog beats prime Magee KO 11.

Bute was virtually knocked out by Andrade. "Slow" Kessler beat Andrade 12 rounds to nil without breaking sweat. Bute has never faced a fighter on Kessler's level. Let alone - Taylor, Johnson, Pascal, Abraham or even Dirrell.

Bute's opposition is pathetic compared to Frog's. Fact.

[J_C]

Lets not get onto Bute in this discussion, he can only be discussed hypothetically in the super middle scenario and this thread should be dealing in the facts.

The legit champs at their weight classes are

BHOP - Light Heavy
WARD - Super Middle
MARTINEZ - Middleweight
PACQUIAO - Welterweight
MARQUEZ - Lightweight

If you beat one of these men you become the man.

HEAVYWEIGHTS will never be decided, you CANT say one Klit over the other.

CRUISERS I dont know enough about, no one excites me in that div, I dont really watch it.

LIGHT MIDDLE is really open.

LIGHT WELTER needs a Bradley-Khan to decide it, until that fight there is no true champ.

And below these weights im not educated enough to comment.

[Matias64]

Lets not get onto Bute in this discussion, he can only be discussed hypothetically in the super middle scenario and this thread should be dealing in the facts.

The legit champs at their weight classes are

BHOP - Light Heavy
WARD - Super Middle
MARTINEZ - Middleweight
PACQUIAO - Welterweight
MARQUEZ - Lightweight

If you beat one of these men you become the man.

HEAVYWEIGHTS will never be decided, you CANT say one Klit over the other.

CRUISERS I dont know enough about, no one excites me in that div, I dont really watch it.

LIGHT MIDDLE is really open.

LIGHT WELTER needs a Bradley-Khan to decide it, until that fight there is no true champ.

And below these weights im not educated enough to comment.

Really amazing you didn't mention Nonito Donaire at all though even The Ring put him 3rd on that P4P-list. I should put it even better: Manny is 1st, Donaire 2nd.

[Rantcatrat]

I'd agree with andre ward as super middleweight champ

Bute should be in third behind Froch

Frog lost that Kessler-fight (Kessler is slow boxer) and actually in real life lost also that Dirrell-fight too. On the other hand Bute has destroyed more or less brutally all his opponents especially with horrible body punches. Let's put Frog to his own category as an bigmouth english mediahyped boxer.

Frog and Bute have these common opponents - Magee and Tatevosyan.

Bute beats Tatevosyan PTS. Frog beats him KO 2. Bute beats ancient old Magee KO 10. FRog beats prime Magee KO 11.

Bute was virtually knocked out by Andrade. "Slow" Kessler beat Andrade 12 rounds to nil without breaking sweat. Bute has never faced a fighter on Kessler's level. Let alone - Taylor, Johnson, Pascal, Abraham or even Dirrell.

Bute's opposition is pathetic compared to Frog's. Fact.

Froch has faced much better opposition than Bute and in my opinion, arguably than Ward. Fact. To say Froch is a fraud is utterly ridiculous at this point. I 100% agree with Fenster on this. Froch is a tough hombre whose skills in my opinion are underrated. Also, he's travelled far and wide to face the best competition. I thought he beat Kessler too in a close fight and if he would have fought harder the last few rounds, he would have beat Kessler. Kessler, slow? Where does that come from?

However, Bute's first fight with Andrade has been blown a little out of proportion in my opinion given that Bute avenged the questionable win by being the first person to stop him in their second fight. And for the first 10 rounds of their first fight, he was dominating it. He also dominated Sakio Bika. It wasn't close whereas Bika kept the fight with Ward close the whole time. Sakio Bika is a tough competitor.

I disagree that the Magee wins are comparable. Bute performed better against Magee all things considered. The Magee win you refer to by Froch though was a close affair up until when Froch won (96-95, 95-94, 97-92) whereas Bute dominated Magee from piller to post when they fought. I also disagree it was a post-prime Magee. In fact, there is a solid argument Magee was better when he fought Bute. He was coming off of a 10 fight winning streak with wins over durable Aramyan and Larsen (probably his best career win). When Magee fought Froch, he had just lost to Vitali Tyspko and Robin Reid.

All this said, I think Froch v. Bute is the likely fight because I think Ward beats Froch in the finals and won't travel to Montreal where the bigger money is. Froch, having lost, will be more willing to take the fight abroad for a nice check, and he's shown in the past, that he has no fear of fighting abroad.

[Rantcatrat]

Heavyweight - The Klitschkos
Cruiserweight - Steve Cunningham (only other person is Huck)
Light Heavyweight - Bernard Hopkins
Super Middleweight - Andre Ward
Middleweight - Sergio Martinez
Jr. Middleweight - No clear front runner
Welterweight - Pacquiao
Jr. Welterweight - Tim Bradley but he is absent, so Amir Khan
Lightweight - Brandon Rios
Jr. Lightweight - Weak division. Broner?
Featherweight - Yuriorkis Gamboa
Jr. Featherweight - Nishioka
Bantamweight - Donaire although Mares has an argument
Jr. Bantamweight - Omar Narvaez
Flyweight - Pongsaklek Wonjongkam

[Pugilistic]

Heavyweight - Wladimir Klitschko
Cruiserweight - Steve Cunningham
Light Heavyweight - Bernard Hopkins
Super Middleweight - Andre Ward
Middleweight - Sergio Martinez
Jr. Middleweight - Miguel Cotto ( More deserving than the likes of Chavez Jr and Alvarez)
Welterweight - Manny Pacquiao
Jr. Welterweight - Timothy Bradley
Lightweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Jr. Lightweight - Adrien Broner
Featherweight - Yuriorkis Gamboa
Jr. Featherweight - Toshiaki Nishioka
Bantamweight - Nonito Donaire
Jr. Bantamweight - Omar Narvaez ( Don't really watch divisions below Bantamweight)
Flyweight - Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Jr Flyweight - Roman Gonzalez
Minimum Weight - Nkosinathi Joyi

[Matias64]

Frog's performance in that Kessler-fight was poor. On the other hand Kessler is pretty slow boxer while Bute is much faster and has much more dynamite punches. Dirrell-fight proved that Frog's so called fastness is partly a myth. Dirrell was actually faster and little bit better in Nottingham. No need to say that Bute's punches are devastating while Frog's flailing not.

It's relatively easy to find that "super 6 tournament" is arranged to keep alive the myth of Froch as a potential rival for Andre Ward. He isn't. That tournament smells to much "western", making so called "UK-USA-dreamfight".

[erics44]

Frog's performance in that Kessler-fight was poor. On the other hand Kessler is pretty slow boxer while Bute is much faster and has much more dynamite punches. Dirrell-fight proved that Frog's so called fastness is partly a myth. Dirrell was actually faster and little bit better in Nottingham. No need to say that Bute's punches are devastating while Frog's flailing not.

It's relatively easy to find that "super 6 tournament" is arranged to keep alive the myth of Froch as a potential rival for Andre Ward. He isn't. That tournament smells to much "western", making so called "UK-USA-dreamfight".

you sound very much like a thicko

[frankenfrank]

Heavyweight - Vitali Klitschko
Cruiserweight - vacant
Light Heavyweight - should be decided in some sort of a super 4 between Dawson , Cloud , Diaconu and Shumenov , maybe replace Diaconu with Uzelkov or better still , Glen Johnson .
Glen Johnson deserves a rematch with Hopkins for years .
Super Middleweight - Carl Froch who should fight Bute or vacant d title . I even prefer Dirrell over Ward who is not even my #5 at this weight , a mere Hopkins imitator .
Middleweight - Sergio Martinez
Jr. Middleweight - Miguel Cotto
Welterweight - vacant , but Pacquiao is my top candidate , d question is : until when could Paul Williams still make 147 ?
Jr. Welterweight - vacant
Lightweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Jr. Lightweight - IDK
Featherweight - IDK
Bantamweight - Nonito Donaire , maybe , there should be a super 6 with him , Kameda , Agbeko , Perez , Mares and Darchinyan / Moreno winner if he wins decisively and legitimately , or maybe a super 5 without that winner , if it won't be that legitimately & decisively .
Jr. Bantamweight - IDK
Flyweight - Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (10 years on list of The Ring)

Jr. Featherweight, Strawweight and Jr. Flyweight - IDK