Mayweather getting into Ortiz's Head...

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Full perspective and skins on the wall...If Mayweather has to effort or make it a point to get into Ortizs head...round 1 goes to Victor.

That is exactly how Victor needs to think about it all.

True.

[Gandalf]

And Hatton for me put up the best recent showing we have seen against Floyd. For the first 6 he was totally in the fight and it was only that screwed up docked point that started to to really mess it up for him. Then of course it became unstuck, but it was Hatton losing his cool more than Mayweather making any real adjustments. Hatton just gave him more chances.

To beat Mayweather you have to pressure him and try to crowd him. Hatton and Castillo are the blueprints IMO.

I kind of agree with you. But the pressure have to be more like bullying Mayweather to the ropes. If he crowd Mayweather in the center of the ring and not take away one of Mayweather hands or his countering ability, it's not going to work. He needs to smother PBF so much that he can't throw his left and only able to throw his right across his body. We all know that PBF is going to tuck his chin behind his shoulder and give his opponent his left side. Problem is, Ortiz square himself up when throwing power shot when his opponents are against the ropes.

Interesting point . . .
You saying it and I just read Ortiz's trainer saying it. Floyd don't make any real adjustments. INTERESTING. I got to go back in the acheives. I think he do, do settle adjustments but not many.

No, Floyd can and does make significant adjustments, but I don't think that was the factor against Hatton. Hatton visibly got flustered and lost control, it wasn't so much Mayweather doing anything particularly different. Hatton's carelessness opened up more opportunities for Floyd.

[Gandalf]

And Hatton for me put up the best recent showing we have seen against Floyd. For the first 6 he was totally in the fight and it was only that screwed up docked point that started to to really mess it up for him. Then of course it became unstuck, but it was Hatton losing his cool more than Mayweather making any real adjustments. Hatton just gave him more chances.

To beat Mayweather you have to pressure him and try to crowd him. Hatton and Castillo are the blueprints IMO.

Yes! good post i agree. Years before Hatton faced PBF me and a mate came to the same conclusion as you. PRESSURE and lots of it is the way to beat Mayweather. But it has to be applied right. Castillo did so well and we used to say that Hattons swarming pressure could trouble mayweather and it did as you say and yes the point deduction was the turning point in the fight and Hatton unravelled right there and then. I think he felt as though he was fighting 2 blokes that night.

Excited to see how Ortiz can apply the pressure tomorrow night. Plenty of head movement wouldn't go amiss neither

Yes, I think pressure is the key, but intelligent pressure. I'm not sure Ortiz really knows how to do that for 12 hard rounds though. He typically likes to use movement and have distance and he also falls asleep for rounds which is never good. Hatton's style was ideal IMO and he has become very underrated due to the career blowout, but people need to observe that fight and see that for the first half at least you can be very competitive with Floyd. You can't afford to get the red mist though as Floyd is too relaxed and calm and will take advantage.

I see Cortez is refereeing tomorrow. Wanker!

[Beanz]

And Hatton for me put up the best recent showing we have seen against Floyd. For the first 6 he was totally in the fight and it was only that screwed up docked point that started to to really mess it up for him. Then of course it became unstuck, but it was Hatton losing his cool more than Mayweather making any real adjustments. Hatton just gave him more chances.

To beat Mayweather you have to pressure him and try to crowd him. Hatton and Castillo are the blueprints IMO.

Yes! good post i agree. Years before Hatton faced PBF me and a mate came to the same conclusion as you. PRESSURE and lots of it is the way to beat Mayweather. But it has to be applied right. Castillo did so well and we used to say that Hattons swarming pressure could trouble mayweather and it did as you say and yes the point deduction was the turning point in the fight and Hatton unravelled right there and then. I think he felt as though he was fighting 2 blokes that night.

Excited to see how Ortiz can apply the pressure tomorrow night. Plenty of head movement wouldn't go amiss neither

Yes, I think pressure is the key, but intelligent pressure. I'm not sure Ortiz really knows how to do that for 12 hard rounds though. He typically likes to use movement and have distance and he also falls asleep for rounds which is never good. Hatton's style was ideal IMO and he has become very underrated due to the career blowout, but people need to observe that fight and see that for the first half at least you can be very competitive with Floyd. You can't afford to get the red mist though as Floyd is too relaxed and calm and will take advantage.

I see Cortez is refereeing tomorrow. Wanker!

Ortiz is in big trouble then, Cortez might as well be on Mayweathers Staff for the totally biased nature of his refereeing, (how he and Kenny Bayliss are still working is beyond me)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxVQJJSAXyQ

[Beanz]

And Hatton for me put up the best recent showing we have seen against Floyd. For the first 6 he was totally in the fight and it was only that screwed up docked point that started to to really mess it up for him. Then of course it became unstuck, but it was Hatton losing his cool more than Mayweather making any real adjustments. Hatton just gave him more chances.

To beat Mayweather you have to pressure him and try to crowd him. Hatton and Castillo are the blueprints IMO.

Yes! good post i agree. Years before Hatton faced PBF me and a mate came to the same conclusion as you. PRESSURE and lots of it is the way to beat Mayweather. But it has to be applied right. Castillo did so well and we used to say that Hattons swarming pressure could trouble mayweather and it did as you say and yes the point deduction was the turning point in the fight and Hatton unravelled right there and then. I think he felt as though he was fighting 2 blokes that night.

Excited to see how Ortiz can apply the pressure tomorrow night. Plenty of head movement wouldn't go amiss neither

Yes, I think pressure is the key, but intelligent pressure. I'm not sure Ortiz really knows how to do that for 12 hard rounds though. He typically likes to use movement and have distance and he also falls asleep for rounds which is never good. Hatton's style was ideal IMO and he has become very underrated due to the career blowout, but people need to observe that fight and see that for the first half at least you can be very competitive with Floyd. You can't afford to get the red mist though as Floyd is too relaxed and calm and will take advantage.

I see Cortez is refereeing tomorrow. Wanker!

Ortiz is in big trouble then, Cortez might as well be on Mayweathers Staff for the totally biased nature of his refereeing, (how he and Kenny Bayliss are still working is beyond me)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxVQJJSAXyQ

Well Cortez was as I predicted his usual neutral attentive unbiased professional expert self and did not hug Mayweathers nuts in any way, and Kenny " Can you believe how camp I am ?" Bayliss was right to let brave Cano carry on fighting despite his useless corner failing to notice their fighters cut was bad enough to threaten his eyesight and future career.