Mayweather Vs Ortiz Supposedly 1.2 mill Buys

[fan johnny]

That's a pretty good turnout, proves Floyd is indeed still the money man in the division.

Forget division, how about the whole sport.

Raphael also posted on twitter his question to Schaefer on the BCD Bhop fight, not good he says. Expect 100,000 or less

ha I meant the sport, not sure why I put division lol

It's really bizarre to me that so few fans are interested in Hopkins Dawson. Number 1 against number 2 for the undisputed title. Surely it means something. Stellar undercard too. Shame.

Dawson has never been a seller, he can't even pack 5000 people in Connecticut where he does come from. Not sure why though as he's a very skilled fighter and is not totally without charisma.

5k is a pretty good number for a fight. Any promoter would be proud of that kind of live draw.

As for the PPV numbers you guys cant actually be that dumb as to think the actual viewer numbers aren't known immediately. Because everyone should know that they fights are delivered through digital media. HBO ain't going to pay the fighter if the customer doesn't pay. That is partially the real reason why it's taking do long to get the final tally. HBO just got smarter about making payments due to disputes against the previously announced numbers and the actual payments.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

When a PPV numbers are announced, I will bet everything that they announce the actual PPV buys in order to make the fight look more successful. But of course, the fighters would have been made aware ahead of time that the percentage they will get will come from those who actually paid for it.

So as fan johnny noted, the actual viewer numbers should have been known immediately since they are delivered through digital media.

The lesson that can be learned by Floyd if the PPV numbers are indeed far below expectations is that he has to fight either Pacquiao or Martinez to achieve high PPV numbers. After the stunt that he did to Ortiz, I don't think the people will forgive him if he again fights someone else.

[JT Rock]

You are so Bias it's ridiculous..

I will trust a respected Boxing Journalist over you.. who by the way consistently slags Floyd off. Dan Raphael would not have posted that if it wasn't close.

I don't always agree on Dans biased opinions but his facts and knowledge of the business nuances is tops in the industry thats why I read his stuff.

Do you know any facts about the subject? Or are you a 2 bit PAC fan who can't stand that Floyd is the bigger draw?
I will also say that Floyd has done better numbers with Marquez than
PAC will next month.

[Gandalf]

I couldn't care less about the numbers, but anyone who paid for that should feel seriously ripped off. 50 bucks plus for a couple of rounds and a sucker punch?

It makes a mockery of PPV and someone like Floyd should realise that he is there to satiate an audience and not to indulge in his school yard bully mentality. Sure, it's not nice to have some guy kissing you, but you are on show and people expect more.

Many will think twice before paying next time out and so they should.

[Gandalf]

I have a feeling that all the Floyd huggers will take umbrage with my proclamation and argue that headbutts shouldn't be allowed either. However, when the ref has taken a point I think that you should rise above it. The ref did his job and Floyd lost his cool....because of that Floyd loses a lot of brownie points. Obviously Ortiz should find a new job in a male brothel, but nobody ever really regarded Ortiz as anything in the first place. He is kind of secondary to the argument.

[Master]

I do not believe these figures and believe they are massaged to make out that Floyd is bigger than he really is.

[JT Rock]

Floyd Hugger Checking in. Miles you realize Floyd is the PPV king and the whole think twice mentality is crap. The guy showed great restraint when Judah did his dirt and so be it with the drivel. Believe me the poo pooers are in the minority.

Every fight you guys say he runs and he sucks blah blah and your not paying for it. But most are the numbers don't lie..

[JT Rock]

I do not believe these figures and believe they are massaged to make out that Floyd is bigger than he really is.

Yes complete conspiracy, Dan Raphael a Mayweather hater puts his credibility and journalistic neck on the line for this cover up.

Not sure it is 1.2 million but if it's a million or close thats not bad seeing Ortiz is an unknown aside from hardcore fans. So they are tuning into seeing Mayweather

[Gandalf]

Floyd Hugger Checking in. Miles you realize Floyd is the PPV king and the whole think twice mentality is crap. The guy showed great restraint when Judah did his dirt and so be it with the drivel. Believe me the poo pooers are in the minority.

Every fight you guys say he runs and he sucks blah blah and your not paying for it. But most are the numbers don't lie..

What a load of huggery bullshit. Floyd is the 'PPV king'? Do you have any idea how gay that sounds? Are you inviting me to give you a kiss on the lips here?

The numbers don't lie, but see how a rematch goes or another handpicked opponent. Floyd did well because it was a first fight back, people won't be fooled again.

It was a crap fight when all is said and done. Did you think it was a good fight? No of course not. Nobody did. Floyd will do much less well off next time out, unless he actually fights someone.

[JT Rock]

Miles your a broken record, your opinion is the overwhelming minority in a big picture of the "you see next time"

I'm sorry he is the #1 PPV revenue generating Boxer
I know you are the ultimate authority in Gay. So hope the above is better for you :-D

Lighten up man!

[Gandalf]

Miles your a broken record, your opinion is the overwhelming minority in a big picture of the "you see next time"

I'm sorry he is the #1 PPV revenue generating Boxer
I know you are the ultimate authority in Gay. So hope the above is better for you :-D

Lighten up man!

I am a broken record? Really? Shall I start a thread asking if the fight was any good? You know the answer would be a let down. But you want to take comfort in numbers? It's a fallacy and supremely gay. As I say let Floyd try to repeat it.

Only a Pac fight could satiate people really. These numbers are just numbers, they have no meaning. Metallica sell more than Suede it just shows that people are generally speaking....dumb. Floyd sells a lot, but so does Justin Bieber. There is no accounting for quality in an instance like this. The general public is quite retarded.

[JT Rock]

The numbers don't lie Miles..

They all can't be winners miles. You move on from incidents like that

[Gandalf]

The numbers don't lie Miles..

They all can't be winners miles. You move on from incidents like that

No, the numbers don't lie. They tell us that a guy who quit against Maidana was a credible Mayweather opponent. Hahahaha.

No, Cotto, Margarito, Martinez nor pacqiaou, but Ortiz?

Fair enough. Mayweather pops da charts. What a dude!

[InTheNeutralCorner]

You are so Bias it's ridiculous..

I will trust a respected Boxing Journalist over you.. who by the way consistently slags Floyd off. Dan Raphael would not have posted that if it wasn't close.

I don't always agree on Dans biased opinions but his facts and knowledge of the business nuances is tops in the industry thats why I read his stuff.

Do you know any facts about the subject? Or are you a 2 bit PAC fan who can't stand that Floyd is the bigger draw?
I will also say that Floyd has done better numbers with Marquez than
PAC will next month.

Why don't you discredit the merits of my counter arguments instead of just labeling me as bias? Have you ran out of logical explanations? If you will notice, my comments are in response to the issues that were brought up. I posted a different perspective on the fight being possibly 850,000 mil and provided the link to show that I did not make that up. And I did not present that as fact. Some of the other opinions that I expressed are the same as that of the posters who commented in this thread.

I have always said that Mayweather do have higher PPV numbers than Pacquiao. But I believe that Mayweather being American and those fights being on American soil may have contributed to that. However, there is a limit to what the fans and the general public would be willing to tolerate. Floyd's PPV numbers, and that of Manny as well, are bound to go down if they don't fight each other. And Mayweather pulling that stunt on Ortiz isn't going to help his PPV numbers if it's not Pacquiao or Martinez that he's fighting.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

The numbers don't lie Miles..

They all can't be winners miles. You move on from incidents like that

Why, are those numbers already official? Good for Floyd if they are but I wouldn't be surprised if the 850,000 is more accurate.

It makes a mockery of PPV and someone like Floyd should realise that he is there to satiate an audience and not to indulge in his school yard bully mentality. Sure, it's not nice to have some guy kissing you, but you are on show and people expect more.

Many will think twice before paying next time out and so they should.

I have clashed with miles on almost every issue in this forum but I agree with him on this thread.