TUFF 14 Final

[mattboxingfan]

I think Silva and Sonnen would smoke him, maybe Belfort as well. We'll see how Belfort does against Munoz.

Agreed with this, Silva destroys Bisping, and Chael does his usual boring wrestling antics with G&P.
As for Belfort and Munoz, whens that happening like? Last I read Sonnen was facing Munoz on the Fox2 card

If you think ground and pound is boring you need to find a new sport.

Ha


Just find Sonnens style somewhat predictable and boring. Others do it with more flair.

Don't watch it then, simple.

[Captain America]

Bisping is fighting Damien Mia on the UFC on Fox 2 card. Step back for Bisping in my opinion.

A step back? Maia will be the highest ranked opponent he's fought since Hendo, and he will be Bisping's first opponent who is both active and coming off a win since Kang!

Bisping's had an easy run up to this point, but if he fancies himself a top contender he needs to beat at least two top MWs. Chael, Munoz, Okami, Maia, Belfort or Stann.

Bisping has zero wins over ranked opponents, and he's only fought one at MW (Hendo). He's looked decent beating subpar competition, that does not make him ready for a title shot.

[Mattyhitman]

I think Silva and Sonnen would smoke him, maybe Belfort as well. We'll see how Belfort does against Munoz.

Agreed with this, Silva destroys Bisping, and Chael does his usual boring wrestling antics with G&P.
As for Belfort and Munoz, whens that happening like? Last I read Sonnen was facing Munoz on the Fox2 card

If you think ground and pound is boring you need to find a new sport.

Ha


Just find Sonnens style somewhat predictable and boring. Others do it with more flair.

Don't watch it then, simple.

I'll watch, only to see Sonnens ass get beat. To be fair I can see Chael winning, but Munoz will be the best wrestler he's faced in a long time, so it will be a good match-up.


As for Bisping, this is a good fight for him imo, gotta say I agree with Captain America, Bisping has had it easy so far, he needs to fight a ranked MW to stake a shot at the title, and Maia is a step in the right direction.

[VictorCharlie]

Maia is a good step for him. I haven't seen anything yet from Bisping to show that he is a legit title contender yet. He needs to beat Maia convincingly and then would still need another quality win before having a legit claim to a title shot.

[Mattyhitman]

Maia is a good step for him. I haven't seen anything yet from Bisping to show that he is a legit title contender yet. He needs to beat Maia convincingly and then would still need another quality win before having a legit claim to a title shot.

Agreed, I can see Maia taking this to the ground, Bisping is by far the better striker, albeit Maia's has improved in recent fights.
Maia hasnt submitted an opponent in quite some time, he's due one for me.

[mattboxingfan]

Bisping is fighting Damien Mia on the UFC on Fox 2 card. Step back for Bisping in my opinion.

A step back? Maia will be the highest ranked opponent he's fought since Hendo, and he will be Bisping's first opponent who is both active and coming off a win since Kang!

Bisping's had an easy run up to this point, but if he fancies himself a top contender he needs to beat at least two top MWs. Chael, Munoz, Okami, Maia, Belfort or Stann.

Bisping has zero wins over ranked opponents, and he's only fought one at MW (Hendo). He's looked decent beating subpar competition, that does not make him ready for a title shot.

Maia who lost to Munoz comes of one win over a usless Santiago and he is a rank above Bisping? No way does he deserve to befighting for no.1 contender spot. Bisping is ranked at 10 with Maia at 15. So no he isnt the highest ranked fighter he has fought.

[mattboxingfan]

Maia is a good step for him. I haven't seen anything yet from Bisping to show that he is a legit title contender yet. He needs to beat Maia convincingly and then would still need another quality win before having a legit claim to a title shot.

Agreed, I can see Maia taking this to the ground, Bisping is by far the better striker, albeit Maia's has improved in recent fights.
Maia hasnt submitted an opponent in quite some time, he's due one for me.

When did Maia turn into a wrestler? Bisping has very good t/d defence.

[mattboxingfan]

I think Silva and Sonnen would smoke him, maybe Belfort as well. We'll see how Belfort does against Munoz.

Agreed with this, Silva destroys Bisping, and Chael does his usual boring wrestling antics with G&P.
As for Belfort and Munoz, whens that happening like? Last I read Sonnen was facing Munoz on the Fox2 card

If you think ground and pound is boring you need to find a new sport.

Ha


Just find Sonnens style somewhat predictable and boring. Others do it with more flair.

Don't watch it then, simple.

I'll watch, only to see Sonnens ass get beat. To be fair I can see Chael winning, but Munoz will be the best wrestler he's faced in a long time, so it will be a good match-up.


As for Bisping, this is a good fight for him imo, gotta say I agree with Captain America, Bisping has had it easy so far, he needs to fight a ranked MW to stake a shot at the title, and Maia is a step in the right direction.

Leben got Munoz down so i think Chael can too!

[Mattyhitman]

Maia is a good step for him. I haven't seen anything yet from Bisping to show that he is a legit title contender yet. He needs to beat Maia convincingly and then would still need another quality win before having a legit claim to a title shot.

Agreed, I can see Maia taking this to the ground, Bisping is by far the better striker, albeit Maia's has improved in recent fights.
Maia hasnt submitted an opponent in quite some time, he's due one for me.

When did Maia turn into a wrestler? Bisping has very good t/d defence.

I carnt recall me ever saying Maia had turned into a wrestler, but his BJJ is of a very high standard, he would have a better chance on the ground than on the feet, Bispings kick boxing would allow him to keep Maia at range and pop him with 1-2's for a UD.

[Captain America]

Bisping is fighting Damien Mia on the UFC on Fox 2 card. Step back for Bisping in my opinion.

A step back? Maia will be the highest ranked opponent he's fought since Hendo, and he will be Bisping's first opponent who is both active and coming off a win since Kang!

Bisping's had an easy run up to this point, but if he fancies himself a top contender he needs to beat at least two top MWs. Chael, Munoz, Okami, Maia, Belfort or Stann.

Bisping has zero wins over ranked opponents, and he's only fought one at MW (Hendo). He's looked decent beating subpar competition, that does not make him ready for a title shot.

Maia who lost to Munoz comes of one win over a usless Santiago and he is a rank above Bisping? No way does he deserve to befighting for no.1 contender spot. Bisping is ranked at 10 with Maia at 15. So no he isnt the highest ranked fighter he has fought.

Where are you seeing Maia at 15? Everywhere I've looked, he's in the 6-8 range with Bisping between 8-10. The last ranked fighter Bisping fought was Hendo, so Maia is the highest ranked opponent he's fought since. In fact, he'll be the only other ranked fighter Bisping's ever fought at MW. The idea that he's in line for a title shot right now is asinine.

[Kev]

Bisping is fighting Damien Mia on the UFC on Fox 2 card. Step back for Bisping in my opinion.

A step back? Maia will be the highest ranked opponent he's fought since Hendo, and he will be Bisping's first opponent who is both active and coming off a win since Kang!

Bisping's had an easy run up to this point, but if he fancies himself a top contender he needs to beat at least two top MWs. Chael, Munoz, Okami, Maia, Belfort or Stann.

Bisping has zero wins over ranked opponents, and he's only fought one at MW (Hendo). He's looked decent beating subpar competition, that does not make him ready for a title shot.

Maia who lost to Munoz comes of one win over a usless Santiago and he is a rank above Bisping? No way does he deserve to befighting for no.1 contender spot. Bisping is ranked at 10 with Maia at 15. So no he isnt the highest ranked fighter he has fought.

Where are you seeing Maia at 15? Everywhere I've looked, he's in the 6-8 range with Bisping between 8-10. The last ranked fighter Bisping fought was Hendo, so Maia is the highest ranked opponent he's fought since. In fact, he'll be the only other ranked fighter Bisping's ever fought at MW. The idea that he's in line for a title shot right now is asinine.

I think these are the official rankings here? Have him at 6 like you say.

RankingMMA � MW-185

Is it just me or this possibly the weakest division in the UFC? Take away Silva and Sonnen and you aren't left with much at all.

[Mattyhitman]

Intersting to see where fighters rank depending on the site, here is Sherdog's rankings also: (Albeit this is for MW's regardless of organisation)
Sherdog Official Mixed Martial Arts Rankings
1. Anderson Silva (31-4)
The world’s best pound-for-pound fighter left little doubt as to who rules the 185-pound ranks with a flawless August performance against Yushin Okami in Rio de Janeiro. All signs now point to a championship rematch with Chael Sonnen in the first quarter of 2012, once “The Spider” rehabs a sore shoulder.

2. Chael Sonnen (26-11-1)
In spite of a year fraught with controversy, Sonnen got back to work on Oct. 8, shutting down the surging Brian Stann en route to a second-round submission win. The Oregonian will look to prove that he is, as he claims, the true middleweight champion when he rematches top-ranked Anderson Silva in 2012.

3. Yushin Okami (26-6)
Japan’s top MMA export fell well short in his long-awaited August rematch with UFC champ Anderson Silva, succumbing to punches for the first time since 2003. While he had to play visitor to Silva in Rio de Janeiro, Okami will hold home field advantage when he attempts to get back on track against Tim Boetsch at UFC 144 in Saitama, Japan.

4. Mark Munoz (11-2)
The ever-improving wrestler from Oklahoma State took another big step up the middleweight ladder on Nov. 5, beating the brakes off of tough vet Chris Leben en route to a second-round corner stoppage. Munoz’s UFC record now sits at 7-2, with strong victories over Demian Maia, Aaron Simpson and C.B. Dollaway.

5. Nate Marquardt (31-10-2)
After a testosterone replacement therapy debacle caused Marquardt’s June ouster from the UFC, the Greg Jackson student inked a contract with the London-based British Association of Mixed Martial Arts. Now, Marquardt has his first opponent, fellow UFC vet Yoshiyuki Yoshida, against whom he’ll vie for the vacant BAMMA welterweight title on Feb. 11.

6. Demian Maia (15-3)
After coming up short in a close June decision against Mark Munoz, Maia got back on track with a grinding win over Jorge Santiago on Oct. 8. The decorated grappler has won four of his last six starts, all of which have gone the distance.

7. Brian Stann (11-4)
Stann had no answer for the ground attack of Chael Sonnen at UFC 136, submitting to the former title contender in the second frame. The loss snapped a three-fight winning streak which saw Stann polish off Chris Leben, Jorge Santiago and Mike Massenzio.

8. Michael Bisping (21-3)
Bisping silenced antagonist Jorge Rivera in February with a second-round knockout, but the Englishman will attempt to close an even louder mouth later this year. The winner of "The Ultimate Fighter" Season 3 is currently in Las Vegas serving as a coach for Season 14 of the reality series, the finale of which will see Bisping square off against middleweight wildman and rival coach Jason "Mayhem" Miller.

9. Vitor Belfort (20-9)
On Jan. 14, the 34-year-old “Phenom” will fight in his home country of Brazil for the first time in more than a decade. Belfort will try to build on his August destruction of Japanese star Yoshihiro Akiyama when he faces former welterweight standout Anthony Johnson at UFC 142.

10. Luke Rockhold (8-1)
Rockhold enters the rankings on the back of his Strikeforce middleweight title win, a razor-thin Sept. 10 decision in which the American Kickboxing Academy fighter handed the Brazilian gator his first stateside defeat.

[mattboxingfan]

Bisping is fighting Damien Mia on the UFC on Fox 2 card. Step back for Bisping in my opinion.

A step back? Maia will be the highest ranked opponent he's fought since Hendo, and he will be Bisping's first opponent who is both active and coming off a win since Kang!

Bisping's had an easy run up to this point, but if he fancies himself a top contender he needs to beat at least two top MWs. Chael, Munoz, Okami, Maia, Belfort or Stann.

Bisping has zero wins over ranked opponents, and he's only fought one at MW (Hendo). He's looked decent beating subpar competition, that does not make him ready for a title shot.

Maia who lost to Munoz comes of one win over a usless Santiago and he is a rank above Bisping? No way does he deserve to befighting for no.1 contender spot. Bisping is ranked at 10 with Maia at 15. So no he isnt the highest ranked fighter he has fought.

Where are you seeing Maia at 15? Everywhere I've looked, he's in the 6-8 range with Bisping between 8-10. The last ranked fighter Bisping fought was Hendo, so Maia is the highest ranked opponent he's fought since. In fact, he'll be the only other ranked fighter Bisping's ever fought at MW. The idea that he's in line for a title shot right now is asinine.

He has beat everyone put in his way in his last 4 thats usually how many it takes for a shot. I suppose Munoz is more diserving? He has fought top fighters right? Leben who Bisping beat? Or his debatable win over Maia? He's never been outclassed in a fight bar Hendo he is always competative he deserves a shot more than Munoz and Maia!

MMA Middleweight Rankings 185 lbs | FIGHT! Magazine

[mattboxingfan]

Maia is a good step for him. I haven't seen anything yet from Bisping to show that he is a legit title contender yet. He needs to beat Maia convincingly and then would still need another quality win before having a legit claim to a title shot.

Agreed, I can see Maia taking this to the ground, Bisping is by far the better striker, albeit Maia's has improved in recent fights.
Maia hasnt submitted an opponent in quite some time, he's due one for me.

When did Maia turn into a wrestler? Bisping has very good t/d defence.

I carnt recall me ever saying Maia had turned into a wrestler, but his BJJ is of a very high standard, he would have a better chance on the ground than on the feet, Bispings kick boxing would allow him to keep Maia at range and pop him with 1-2's for a UD.

You said he is due a sub to do that he needs to go Bisping down. He isn't a wrestler. Make sense?

[ReBeL BLacK]

It was an amazing night of fights. Diego is my favorite Tuf winner since Forrest!