Philly defense.. efficient?

[Sandman1995]

Okay jw. if i wanted to start trying to learn how to do this if it would be efficient
Out of boxing. like mma if it would work at all, or a street fight if someone was coming at me,
or would it just not work.?
pretty much.. is the way james toney, floyd mayweather, etc how they fight, can that be used out of boxing.?
AND. how long does it take to learn decently?
(i have pretty good head movement, and pretty athletic)

[greynotsoold]

Boxing-wise, it is a very efficient defense, no wasted motion.

[Sandman1995]

Okay good

[greynotsoold]

That type of defense takes time to learn. If you notice, James Toney didn't fight that way at the start of his career. It took him awhile to perfect it, and he had Bill Miller (the most underrated trainer maybe of all time) working with him. You have to be very, very comfortable in the ring, not getting riled by fists flying around your head. You need to understand that you want the punch to miss you by the slightest possible distance, by making the least possible movement, be it a slip, a duck, or a parry, because that keeps you in postion to punch back. So you have to have engrained in your mind and your body that when you make them miss, you counter, never one without the other. And that means you have to have perfect balance and know how to punch short and hard with both hands. There is a lot to fighting that way.

[Sandman1995]

Okay, 1 thing about it that im wondering is that how do you jab without ur opponent see'ing it coming? or is there really no where other then pure speed (In this position)

[greynotsoold]

You're just bringing the jab up; right from your hip, just pick it up. That is a really effective and punishing way to jab, too, if you time it right. For example, your opponent is jabbing and stepping with it, you let it slide over your left shoulder as you bring up your left and push off the back foot. Simon Brown dropped Terry Norris in their first fight with a similar move, and if you watch Toney in the Holyfield or either Hembrick fight, he uses this a lot.
It is more timing than speed, like anything to do with counter-punching.