How much clinching is excessive? What is the distinction with inside fighting?

[Gandalf]

Isn't this exactly why the ref has discretion. He has to make a judgement call as to weather or not the clinching is in fact excessive holding or not.

I don't agree that excessive holding should be allowed as a tactic to recover from a blow. Boxing is not the MMA.

Exactly, if you are hurt and you haven't learned to smart it out, then you deserve to be knocked out or have points taken when you clinch.

There is never an excuse to spoil a fight.

[Slim the BoxingManiac]

When I watched the Maidana vs. Alexander fight, I was so pissed off that I had to make a video about it.



I think that's the video, although I'm not sure.

Linked the wrong video.

This is the video I made immediately after the Alexander-Maidana fight.

[Althugz]

When I watched the Maidana vs. Alexander fight, I was so pissed off that I had to make a video about it.



I think that's the video, although I'm not sure.

Linked the wrong video.

This is the video I made immediately after the Alexander-Maidana fight.

Tell me you didn't just call me a "complete tool" and to "kill yourself faggot" in that other thread after posting these two abominations you call "videos"?? I've seen it all now..

Anyway, clinching is ugly, horrible and exposes a fighters lack of defensive skill. I thought Ricky Hatton got far too much credit for his hit and hold style. I felt so sorry for Kostya in Manchester when Ricky clinched him and put his head right under his chin..Kostya looked at that fat cunt Dave Paris like "Wtf?? You can get him off me whenever you feel like it?"

Just makes a fight boring.

[Spicoli]

I now miss Charlie Z.....and Thunder for that matter

[Slim the BoxingManiac]

When I watched the Maidana vs. Alexander fight, I was so pissed off that I had to make a video about it.



I think that's the video, although I'm not sure.

Linked the wrong video.

This is the video I made immediately after the Alexander-Maidana fight.

Tell me you didn't just call me a "complete tool" and to "kill yourself faggot" in that other thread after posting these two abominations you call "videos"?? I've seen it all now..

Anyway, clinching is ugly, horrible and exposes a fighters lack of defensive skill. I thought Ricky Hatton got far too much credit for his hit and hold style. I felt so sorry for Kostya in Manchester when Ricky clinched him and put his head right under his chin..Kostya looked at that fat cunt Dave Paris like "Wtf?? You can get him off me whenever you feel like it?"

Just makes a fight boring.

And what the fuck have you been posting?

[Andre]

Once you know a fighter is a spoiler like that you should be able to change tactics a bit too and force them to think otherwise. Seems like fighters should be taught how to drop gravity and twist out of a hug attack as they go, Switch and punch up the gap right as they go to grapple, Or attack their lead arm a millisecond before the head, bang bang disrupt their timing, even step back for room and over hand bombs right as they try to hold.
They going to rethinking it if you catch them hard enough.

Fuck continual grabbers anyway theres always an accidental knee to the nuts as you walk forwards .. Flip em upside down land em on the their head go down with them land on the fukker the ref will be even more confused if he is that stupid already.

[erics44]

whats a twot?

we dont have those in england

[TitoFan]

Once you know a fighter is a spoiler like that you should be able to change tactics a bit too and force them to think otherwise. Seems like fighters should be taught how to drop gravity and twist out of a hug attack as they go, Switch and punch up the gap right as they go to grapple, Or attack their lead arm a millisecond before the head, bang bang disrupt their timing, even step back for room and over hand bombs right as they try to hold.
They going to rethinking it if you catch them hard enough.

Fuck continual grabbers anyway theres always an accidental knee to the nuts as you walk forwards .. Flip em upside down land em on the their head go down with them land on the fukker the ref will be even more confused if he is that stupid already.

Stop beating around the bush and tell us what you REALLY think about clinching......... LOL.

You're usually pretty laid back about most things, but you seem to have a sore spot for excessive clinching. I don't blame you... so do I. By the way, those are some pretty good techniques. I busted out laughing at the bolded one. "Accidental knee" indeed. Ha-ha-ha.

[killersheep]

I agree with Spicoli big time here, when a fighter has clearly worked it into their game plan, it'w too much. We watch to see the Sweet Science not wrestling. There are times when a clinch is called for, e.g. you're hurt, an opponent makes an unexpected move leaving you vulnerable. And times where it is unnecessary e.g. after throwing a jab or 1-2. I think the distinction is when clinching is used offensively vs. defensively.

Count the clinches in this fight



or here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pBF8Tab49c

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Once you know a fighter is a spoiler like that you should be able to change tactics a bit too and force them to think otherwise. Seems like fighters should be taught how to drop gravity and twist out of a hug attack as they go, Switch and punch up the gap right as they go to grapple, Or attack their lead arm a millisecond before the head, bang bang disrupt their timing, even step back for room and over hand bombs right as they try to hold.
They going to rethinking it if you catch them hard enough.

Fuck continual grabbers anyway theres always an accidental knee to the nuts as you walk forwards .. Flip em upside down land em on the their head go down with them land on the fukker the ref will be even more confused if he is that stupid already.

I totally agree.

I saw this thread a good few days ago and wanted to really think about what I wanted to say but in a nutshell you nailed it

This sport has evolved a lot over the course of 100+ years and boxers have proved time an time again that there is always an answer to everything.

[Rantcatrat]

I agree with Spicoli big time here, when a fighter has clearly worked it into their game plan, it'w too much. We watch to see the Sweet Science not wrestling. There are times when a clinch is called for, e.g. you're hurt, an opponent makes an unexpected move leaving you vulnerable. And times where it is unnecessary e.g. after throwing a jab or 1-2. I think the distinction is when clinching is used offensively vs. defensively.

Count the clinches in this fight



or here

Jhonny Gonzalez vs Roinet Caballero ジョニゴンvsロイネット・カバイェロ - YouTube

That's a very good point and may indeed be the distinction. Let me pose a question to you then. How much offensive clinching should be permitted before it is deemed excessive? 5 initiated offensive clinches in a round? 10?

If the combatants have one arm free, then there is no clinch, right? That's just inside fighting? Is that correct?

[Rantcatrat]

Once you know a fighter is a spoiler like that you should be able to change tactics a bit too and force them to think otherwise. Seems like fighters should be taught how to drop gravity and twist out of a hug attack as they go, Switch and punch up the gap right as they go to grapple, Or attack their lead arm a millisecond before the head, bang bang disrupt their timing, even step back for room and over hand bombs right as they try to hold.
They going to rethinking it if you catch them hard enough.

Fuck continual grabbers anyway theres always an accidental knee to the nuts as you walk forwards .. Flip em upside down land em on the their head go down with them land on the fukker the ref will be even more confused if he is that stupid already.

Andre, I completely respect your opinion on the subject. Isn't it very difficult to stop the clinch if it happens immediately after a jab or a one-two? It's possible to get out of the clinch in the ways you mention, but to stop it before, or as it happens, is tough, right? That's where the referee comes into play?

[Andre]

Once you know a fighter is a spoiler like that you should be able to change tactics a bit too and force them to think otherwise. Seems like fighters should be taught how to drop gravity and twist out of a hug attack as they go, Switch and punch up the gap right as they go to grapple, Or attack their lead arm a millisecond before the head, bang bang disrupt their timing, even step back for room and over hand bombs right as they try to hold.
They going to rethinking it if you catch them hard enough.

Fuck continual grabbers anyway theres always an accidental knee to the nuts as you walk forwards .. Flip em upside down land em on the their head go down with them land on the fukker the ref will be even more confused if he is that stupid already.

Andre, I completely respect your opinion on the subject. Isn't it very difficult to stop the clinch if it happens immediately after a jab or a one-two? It's possible to get out of the clinch in the ways you mention, but to stop it before, or as it happens, is tough, right? That's where the referee comes into play?

Oh that was a couple of ideas I was just thinking aloud.

Yeah its where the ref should come into play.


To stop it before it occurs you going to have to change the style of the fight jab and move.

If someones got it only in their mind to hold you are going to be able to catch them, trouble is they snap a few too at distance then lurch in,but hey if you know they are in a pattern of doing that and can cease the in fight mentality yoursself and make space you could catch em and move.

Do you see boxers train with a sparring partner that just tries to spoil and grab or jab move and hold I dont even know if boxers practice ways out?

Tough job for the clean fighter when theres rules to obey with another persons personality controlling the event (the ref not doing their job with point reductions).

Some guys will even hold the wrist and glove in the crook of their arm so a fighter cant pull it out of there.

If that happened in mma you could fold your arm like a wing and bring your elbow up and over and use that into their chest or chin but in boxing the ref will foul you instead of Mr wants hold hands instead of fight. Its not fair.

[Rantcatrat]

Recent interesting article on it.

[Majesty]

I think there's a difference between two boxers of around the same size and height clinching while still more or less trying to fight and when the clinches happen after an attack is launched, and a 6 ft 7 fighter constantly clinching a 6 ft 2 guy continually so much that it's basically their game plan.