Khan wants belts returned

[Fenster]

I love how the Pacquiao fans are all up in arms about Petersons PED use...Same guy who volunteered for stricter tests whilst Pac has never even taken a proper drugs test before and you all defended his decision. Double standard mofos..

This is a very weak argument (I saw it made in another thread too).

When has any athlete in history ever asked for softer drugs testing? It would be utterly moronic for any athlete to not publicly give their approval to stricter drug laws. Even the proven cheats spout this.

The fact Peterson already passed a test with a different body just makes him look more guilty. He thought he had beat the testing procedure.

[Mars_ax]

Peterson gets caught using illegal substances which he admits he used before the first Khan fight. His excuse is it's for some abnormal medical reason. Although it just so happens he failed to inform anyone of this until he got caught.

To a layman it sounds like he was blatantly cheating and because he passed the Washington test he thought he would pass the Nevada/VADA test.

I think Khan has every right to demand his belts back and also the loss should be taken off his record.

Right, and why did Peterson admit to using a banned substance before the 1st Khan fight? It wasn't because he was coming clean and being honest, it was damage control, after he knew he'd been caught and there would likely be an investigation. Medical reasons my ass, synthetic testosterone is a banned PED, using it is cheating and Peterson knew it, he was just stupid enough to believe he'd gotten away with it.

[Mars_ax]

I love how the Pacquiao fans are all up in arms about Petersons PED use...Same guy who volunteered for stricter tests whilst Pac has never even taken a proper drugs test before and you all defended his decision. Double standard mofos..

Hijacking the thread Althugz? WTF has this got to do with Pacquiao?

[Mars_ax]

It strikes me that if Peterson passed whatever tests were in place for the first fight, there should be no grounds to reverse the decision. Isn't it also possible that if he were found to be deficient in testosterone, supplementing with it wouldn't have brought his levels above normal during early stages? If so there is a major gray area here imo, I feel if anything Peterson legitimately believed he would pass any tests that could be given and was a clean fighter. To make him suffer here isn't the right course of action at all imo, if anyone believes PED's aren't rampantly used in major sports they are very mistaken. The rarity here is that Peterson happened to be given a proper test after willingly submitting to it! Until there is some sort of conform in place from all of the major commissions it is absolutly backwards to put the onus on the fighters who happen to get caught imo.

Well you do know the fight was canceled right? And you do know that Peterson allegedly admitted using a banned substance before the first fight, right? So where's the "major gray area"? Peterson cheated by using a banned PED, whether or not he thought he was "clean" or that they're rampantly used in major sports isn't relevant. And ignorance/stupidity is no excuse for breaking the rules/law.

Of course? I was talking about first fight, it's my opinion that if Peterson passed whatever tests were conducted at that time then it shouldn't be overturned on the grounds that he wasn't clean. It sets a really nasty precident, which is where the rampant use becomes completely relevant. The burden has to lie with the commissions to figure their shit out and get proper comprehensive testing done for all major fights. The gray area I was referring to was whether fighters should in theory be able to supplement with testosterone if they can prove to be deficient, but Peterson didn't go that route anyways so I agree he deserves a lot of blame here.

Understood, I guess I have a problem believing that a 28 year old Pro boxer would have low levels or a "testosterone deficient" to begin with. So I don't buy the "medical" excuse.

[Fenster]

Peterson gets caught using illegal substances which he admits he used before the first Khan fight. His excuse is it's for some abnormal medical reason. Although it just so happens he failed to inform anyone of this until he got caught.

To a layman it sounds like he was blatantly cheating and because he passed the Washington test he thought he would pass the Nevada/VADA test.

I think Khan has every right to demand his belts back and also the loss should be taken off his record.

Right, and why did Peterson admit to using a banned substance before the 1st Khan fight? It wasn't because he was coming clean and being honest, it was damage control, after he knew he'd been caught and there would likely be an investigation. Medical reasons my ass, synthetic testosterone is a banned PED, using it is cheating and Peterson knew it, he was just stupid enough to believe he'd gotten away with it.

Exactly.

His team know he will get a suspension and the titles confiscated. What they're saying is nothing but pure damage control.

[p4pking]

I understand where you guys are coming from, I just don't agree that they should overturn anything on account of Petersons admission alone. As I said, it's quite possible that he didn't have an abnormal test for the first fight because his levels of testosterone weren't abnormal. I would imagine that synthetic testosterone in itself can't be detected or differentiated from the natural hormone, the only give away would be having a very high level in the blood. Furthermore, who is to say with certainty that Khan didn't use something banned himself? If the fighters both passed whatever tests they had to take then it should be done with imo, this incident merely highlights how inadequate the standard tests are in the first place. Shane Mosley didn't have his win over De La hoya overturned even though he has admitted to using designer anabolic steroids along with EPO, much more serious than synthetic testosterone.

[Mars_ax]

Peterson gets caught using illegal substances which he admits he used before the first Khan fight. His excuse is it's for some abnormal medical reason. Although it just so happens he failed to inform anyone of this until he got caught.

To a layman it sounds like he was blatantly cheating and because he passed the Washington test he thought he would pass the Nevada/VADA test.

I think Khan has every right to demand his belts back and also the loss should be taken off his record.

Right, and why did Peterson admit to using a banned substance before the 1st Khan fight? It wasn't because he was coming clean and being honest, it was damage control, after he knew he'd been caught and there would likely be an investigation. Medical reasons my ass, synthetic testosterone is a banned PED, using it is cheating and Peterson knew it, he was just stupid enough to believe he'd gotten away with it.

Exactly.

His team know he will get a suspension and the titles confiscated. What they're saying is nothing but pure damage control.

I just don't see why anyone would have a problem with Peterson being stripped of Khan's titles and Amir being re-instated as the Champion.

Using PED's to gain an unfair physical advantage or to help win a championship fight is serious business. Anyway you want to look at it, it's cheating and could even be considered criminal.

[Althugz]

Peterson gets caught using illegal substances which he admits he used before the first Khan fight. His excuse is it's for some abnormal medical reason. Although it just so happens he failed to inform anyone of this until he got caught.

To a layman it sounds like he was blatantly cheating and because he passed the Washington test he thought he would pass the Nevada/VADA test.

I think Khan has every right to demand his belts back and also the loss should be taken off his record.

Right, and why did Peterson admit to using a banned substance before the 1st Khan fight? Medical reasons my ass, synthetic testosterone is a banned PED, using it is cheating and Peterson knew it, he was just stupid enough to believe he'd gotten away with it.

Right, except it's not banned if you have lower than normal testosterone levels and you inform them that you're using it. So, you're wrong and getting emotional for no good reason. These are facts..not your "expert" opinion on how the sport should be run.

[Althugz]

I love how the Pacquiao fans are all up in arms about Petersons PED use...Same guy who volunteered for stricter tests whilst Pac has never even taken a proper drugs test before and you all defended his decision. Double standard mofos..

This is a very weak argument (I saw it made in another thread too).

When has any athlete in history ever asked for softer drugs testing? It would be utterly moronic for any athlete to not publicly give their approval to stricter drug laws. Even the proven cheats spout this.

The fact Peterson already passed a test with a different body just makes him look more guilty. He thought he had beat the testing procedure.

Your counter argument had zero relevance to what my post said..

[Althugz]

I understand where you guys are coming from, I just don't agree that they should overturn anything on account of Petersons admission alone. As I said, it's quite possible that he didn't have an abnormal test for the first fight because his levels of testosterone weren't abnormal. I would imagine that synthetic testosterone in itself can't be detected or differentiated from the natural hormone, the only give away would be having a very high level in the blood. Furthermore, who is to say with certainty that Khan didn't use something banned himself? If the fighters both passed whatever tests they had to take then it should be done with imo, this incident merely highlights how inadequate the standard tests are in the first place. Shane Mosley didn't have his win over De La hoya overturned even though he has admitted to using designer anabolic steroids along with EPO, much more serious than synthetic testosterone.

DING DING DING DING!! We have a winner folks..somebody gets it. My IQ was going into a minus balance the further I read Mars and Fensters posts.

[Althugz]

Peterson gets caught using illegal substances which he admits he used before the first Khan fight. His excuse is it's for some abnormal medical reason. Although it just so happens he failed to inform anyone of this until he got caught.

To a layman it sounds like he was blatantly cheating and because he passed the Washington test he thought he would pass the Nevada/VADA test.

I think Khan has every right to demand his belts back and also the loss should be taken off his record.

Right, and why did Peterson admit to using a banned substance before the 1st Khan fight? It wasn't because he was coming clean and being honest, it was damage control, after he knew he'd been caught and there would likely be an investigation. Medical reasons my ass, synthetic testosterone is a banned PED, using it is cheating and Peterson knew it, he was just stupid enough to believe he'd gotten away with it.

Exactly.

His team know he will get a suspension and the titles confiscated. What they're saying is nothing but pure damage control.

I just don't see why anyone would have a problem with Peterson being stripped of Khan's titles and Amir being re-instated as the Champion.

Using PED's to gain an unfair physical advantage or to help win a championship fight is serious business. Anyway you want to look at it, it's cheating and could even be considered criminal.

Seriously, just stop. You have no clue what you're talking about on this subject. So if Amir Khan's Testosterone range was say 6 and Peterson brought his up via synthetic means from say 1 to 4.5..then he is a "criminal"? Even though his levels would be lower than Khan's still? Of course not, that's why there are rules in place to say that you CAN use synthetic hormones to bring levels into normal.

To be clear the only thing it seems Peterson is busted for is witholding information. This PED talk should be banned anyway..wasn't this agreed a few years back on this forum? Because 99% of you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Rantcatrat]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he violate the D.C. Commission's rules by not disclosing the use of the supplemental testosterone? Aren't testosterone pellets on the banned substances list there? If he was in violation of the rules, the fight should be ruled a no contest. Why is it relevant that he was only caught because he admitted to it? He still used a banned substance. We should discourage this type of behavior. We should encourage transparency.

[Mars_ax]

Peterson gets caught using illegal substances which he admits he used before the first Khan fight. His excuse is it's for some abnormal medical reason. Although it just so happens he failed to inform anyone of this until he got caught.

To a layman it sounds like he was blatantly cheating and because he passed the Washington test he thought he would pass the Nevada/VADA test.

I think Khan has every right to demand his belts back and also the loss should be taken off his record.

Right, and why did Peterson admit to using a banned substance before the 1st Khan fight? Medical reasons my ass, synthetic testosterone is a banned PED, using it is cheating and Peterson knew it, he was just stupid enough to believe he'd gotten away with it.

Right, except it's not banned if you have lower than normal testosterone levels and you inform them that you're using it. So, you're wrong and getting emotional for no good reason. These are facts..not your "expert" opinion on how the sport should be run.

Even if that is in fact true, when did Peterson inform "them" he was using it? As for me getting "emotional".

[Althugz]

Peterson gets caught using illegal substances which he admits he used before the first Khan fight. His excuse is it's for some abnormal medical reason. Although it just so happens he failed to inform anyone of this until he got caught.

To a layman it sounds like he was blatantly cheating and because he passed the Washington test he thought he would pass the Nevada/VADA test.

I think Khan has every right to demand his belts back and also the loss should be taken off his record.

Right, and why did Peterson admit to using a banned substance before the 1st Khan fight? Medical reasons my ass, synthetic testosterone is a banned PED, using it is cheating and Peterson knew it, he was just stupid enough to believe he'd gotten away with it.

Right, except it's not banned if you have lower than normal testosterone levels and you inform them that you're using it. So, you're wrong and getting emotional for no good reason. These are facts..not your "expert" opinion on how the sport should be run.

Even if that is in fact true, when did Peterson inform "them" he was using it? As for me getting "emotional".

I feel dumber just reading some of your posts sometimes. I've repeated over and over he's guilty of not disclosing his use. That was never up for debate. Rantacrat, Mars and Fenster..can you please huddle up and try to come up with one decent debating point between you please..because at the moment my head hurts responding to your non-points.

[Rantcatrat]

My only point was that if he admittedly broke the rules for the fight fight, the decision should be changed to a no contest.