Should Scotland stay in the UK?

[imp]

I know what Mel gibson would say..

[Dia bando]

I feel independence would not be of any benefit to Scotland, or the rest of the UK trouble is
regional politics the Tory strong hold is the south east of the uk.
The Tory party does not exist in Scotland, and we have very few of the twats in Wales, so
in regions were there are not any Scotland, feel like they don't want to be governed by them.

[palmerq]

I a not sure how much oil is actually in what would be scottish waters, I dont think it is enough to keep a country going and I am not sure what scotland can do to become a self running country, we dont really make anything and only export whisky really :S..

I'm going to vote yes in the referendum.

[Gandalf]

Sean Connery says for Independence. Good man. The former Bond lest we forget.

[Kirkland Laing]

They need to keep the pound so they have a central bank who can bail out Lloyds and RBS the next time they have huge losses. Both are HQd in Scotland. If they're part of the euro there's no bailout and Scotland makes Greece look like Monte Carlo, the whole country in crushing debt for over half a century as a best case scenario.

It's all irrelevant anyway. The yes campaign would need to be currently running at 60% support as people will peel off from fear of the unknown as the vote gets closer. Barring some miracle Scotland says no to independence by a decent margin.

Royal Bank of Scotland has already said they would stay in England, so they can stay. Then the other one can just go broke or stay too if they like. England hates its own people, but will very happily bail out corporations that they like.

Scotland should throw out the trash and do things properly. They should show how a system should work, rather than copy the methods of the most corrupt financial sectors in the world.

I want to see models with alternatives that can show people how a system should be run. It would also show the English people how abused they have been and in turn might well inspire them.

Scottish independence could be a great thing for the region. Instead of sinking with it all, Scotland can shine a beam of light and say 'This is a country of the people for the people'. A lot of other nations have totally forgotten about representing the people.

You can't let even one big bank go bust or they all go over like dominoes. And you can't let an independent Scotland that wouldn't have the wherewithall to bail out even one bank be in a position where they might have to. So Scotland will remain part of Britain.

[Kirkland Laing]

I a not sure how much oil is actually in what would be scottish waters, I dont think it is enough to keep a country going and I am not sure what scotland can do to become a self running country, we dont really make anything and only export whisky really :S..

I'm going to vote yes in the referendum.

80% of north sea oil has already been extracted. The remaining 20% will cost increasing amounts of cash to extract and won't provide the same revenue to an independent Scottish exchequer that the original 80% did to the British exchequer.

Once the oil runs out you've only got whisky and a vast number of unemployable neds drinking buckfast and creating another generation oflosers. You're much better off in the long run being permanently subsidised by the south of England.

[Gandalf]

They need to keep the pound so they have a central bank who can bail out Lloyds and RBS the next time they have huge losses. Both are HQd in Scotland. If they're part of the euro there's no bailout and Scotland makes Greece look like Monte Carlo, the whole country in crushing debt for over half a century as a best case scenario.

It's all irrelevant anyway. The yes campaign would need to be currently running at 60% support as people will peel off from fear of the unknown as the vote gets closer. Barring some miracle Scotland says no to independence by a decent margin.

Royal Bank of Scotland has already said they would stay in England, so they can stay. Then the other one can just go broke or stay too if they like. England hates its own people, but will very happily bail out corporations that they like.

Scotland should throw out the trash and do things properly. They should show how a system should work, rather than copy the methods of the most corrupt financial sectors in the world.

I want to see models with alternatives that can show people how a system should be run. It would also show the English people how abused they have been and in turn might well inspire them.

Scottish independence could be a great thing for the region. Instead of sinking with it all, Scotland can shine a beam of light and say 'This is a country of the people for the people'. A lot of other nations have totally forgotten about representing the people.

You can't let even one big bank go bust or they all go over like dominoes. And you can't let an independent Scotland that wouldn't have the wherewithall to bail out even one bank be in a position where they might have to. So Scotland will remain part of Britain.

The banks should have gone bust to begin with. It would have been catastrophic, but I think that should have happened. It was like a person that had grown a massive cyst on its head the size of a balloon. Realistically it should have been burst and operated on as it was kind of nasty. Instead the cyst is now the size of an entire village. I still think that morality means you admit you made a mistake and do something about the cyst. It will be even more painful, but do something as it looks and is hideous.

[AdamGB]

Sean Connery says for Independence. Good man. The former Bond lest we forget.

Is this Connery, the women beating patriot whom doesn't live in Scotland?

[AdamGB]

That's the long and short of it Kirkland, the oil won't last forever and somebody has to pay their dole.

[Gandalf]

Have you never punched a man? Why make differentiation based on gender lines? Are you a feminist? Sean Connery was James Bond. JAMES BOND!

[AdamGB]

I've punched men in a boxing ring and a couple of times outside of the ring in defence when physically attacked.

I'd never assualt a physically weaker person (which a woman almost always is, I am not differentiating based on a mere arbitory gender status) due to a verbal argument and I never will, to do so would mean a complete lack of self control and morals on my part.

For example I'd no sooner give you a good beating than I would a woman.

I only say Woman beater because Connery never confessed to or endorsed giving the elderly, frail or infirm a slap to put them in line... Just woman, which would make him a woman beater?

Hope this helps.

[Kirkland Laing]

They need to keep the pound so they have a central bank who can bail out Lloyds and RBS the next time they have huge losses. Both are HQd in Scotland. If they're part of the euro there's no bailout and Scotland makes Greece look like Monte Carlo, the whole country in crushing debt for over half a century as a best case scenario.

It's all irrelevant anyway. The yes campaign would need to be currently running at 60% support as people will peel off from fear of the unknown as the vote gets closer. Barring some miracle Scotland says no to independence by a decent margin.

Royal Bank of Scotland has already said they would stay in England, so they can stay. Then the other one can just go broke or stay too if they like. England hates its own people, but will very happily bail out corporations that they like.

Scotland should throw out the trash and do things properly. They should show how a system should work, rather than copy the methods of the most corrupt financial sectors in the world.

I want to see models with alternatives that can show people how a system should be run. It would also show the English people how abused they have been and in turn might well inspire them.

Scottish independence could be a great thing for the region. Instead of sinking with it all, Scotland can shine a beam of light and say 'This is a country of the people for the people'. A lot of other nations have totally forgotten about representing the people.

You can't let even one big bank go bust or they all go over like dominoes. And you can't let an independent Scotland that wouldn't have the wherewithall to bail out even one bank be in a position where they might have to. So Scotland will remain part of Britain.

The banks should have gone bust to begin with. It would have been catastrophic, but I think that should have happened. It was like a person that had grown a massive cyst on its head the size of a balloon. Realistically it should have been burst and operated on as it was kind of nasty. Instead the cyst is now the size of an entire village. I still think that morality means you admit you made a mistake and do something about the cyst. It will be even more painful, but do something as it looks and is hideous.

You can let the bank shareholders lose their money and sack and imprison the top execuatives but you have to guarantee the debts of any major bank or the entire system goes down and it destroys the real economy, we're talking situations far worse then Greece (Greece currently has 30% unemployment, debt compound trap etc etc) in every major country. Much cheaper to bail the baks out.

Regulate them afterwards by all means to prevent them doing it again and put bankers who break the rules in jail but impossible to let a big bank go bust.

[Andre]

Have you never punched a man? Why make differentiation based on gender lines? Are you a feminist? Sean Connery was James Bond. JAMES BOND!

And he says the word Sausage so well.

[Gandalf]

They need to keep the pound so they have a central bank who can bail out Lloyds and RBS the next time they have huge losses. Both are HQd in Scotland. If they're part of the euro there's no bailout and Scotland makes Greece look like Monte Carlo, the whole country in crushing debt for over half a century as a best case scenario.

It's all irrelevant anyway. The yes campaign would need to be currently running at 60% support as people will peel off from fear of the unknown as the vote gets closer. Barring some miracle Scotland says no to independence by a decent margin.

Royal Bank of Scotland has already said they would stay in England, so they can stay. Then the other one can just go broke or stay too if they like. England hates its own people, but will very happily bail out corporations that they like.

Scotland should throw out the trash and do things properly. They should show how a system should work, rather than copy the methods of the most corrupt financial sectors in the world.

I want to see models with alternatives that can show people how a system should be run. It would also show the English people how abused they have been and in turn might well inspire them.

Scottish independence could be a great thing for the region. Instead of sinking with it all, Scotland can shine a beam of light and say 'This is a country of the people for the people'. A lot of other nations have totally forgotten about representing the people.

You can't let even one big bank go bust or they all go over like dominoes. And you can't let an independent Scotland that wouldn't have the wherewithall to bail out even one bank be in a position where they might have to. So Scotland will remain part of Britain.

The banks should have gone bust to begin with. It would have been catastrophic, but I think that should have happened. It was like a person that had grown a massive cyst on its head the size of a balloon. Realistically it should have been burst and operated on as it was kind of nasty. Instead the cyst is now the size of an entire village. I still think that morality means you admit you made a mistake and do something about the cyst. It will be even more painful, but do something as it looks and is hideous.

You can let the bank shareholders lose their money and sack and imprison the top execuatives but you have to guarantee the debts of any major bank or the entire system goes down and it destroys the real economy, we're talking situations far worse then Greece (Greece currently has 30% unemployment, debt compound trap etc etc) in every major country. Much cheaper to bail the baks out.

Regulate them afterwards by all means to prevent them doing it again and put bankers who break the rules in jail but impossible to let a big bank go bust.

The banks should have been allowed to fail several years ago. From this point on a bankrupt Britain is going to be held at gunpoint and the city of London with its legal team and Bank of England phantom money supply is going to carry on with what can only be described as rampant criminality.

My description of the massive cyst is apt because banks haven't changed. They are still insolvent and in turn the government is utterly broke. It would have been better to treat the cyst early and suffer the real pain as the moral hazard is now going to be kept on the books permanently and the UK is functioning as a protector of elite criminals and the rest of society has to pay for it on an almost permanent basis through financial repression. The average high street is a choice of bookie, pay day lender, or bank. Basically take a chance, tide me over, or financially repress me.

The Mt Gox situation is a good example of how to deal with a messy situation. You let the company go broke, some bitcoin is lost, the market goes down because of uncertainty, but in the long run every thing is clean as the bad apple is thrown away. The banking sector has done the opposite. The bad apples were reimbursed for their theft, are still getting filthy rich, and they print more of an ever debased and untrusted currency. The suffering and pain is temporary with Mt Gox and Bitcoin, it is permanent with the mafia Bank of England, The Tories, and the insolvent, fraudulent banks.

[Gandalf]

I've punched men in a boxing ring and a couple of times outside of the ring in defence when physically attacked.

I'd never assualt a physically weaker person (which a woman almost always is, I am not differentiating based on a mere arbitory gender status) due to a verbal argument and I never will, to do so would mean a complete lack of self control and morals on my part.

For example I'd no sooner give you a good beating than I would a woman.

I only say Woman beater because Connery never confessed to or endorsed giving the elderly, frail or infirm a slap to put them in line... Just woman, which would make him a woman beater?

Hope this helps.

Very well articulated. I agree with you. Nobody should be slapping anyone else and regardless of gender or condition it isn't a very nice thing to be saying.

Not related to the above, but just a further point about the banks. It isn't just about the fact that they weren't allowed to go bust, it was also the fact that NOTHING was reformed. Okay, you could very well argue that the effect on the economy would have been tremendous, and no doubt it would, but then if you were to bail out fraudulent banks, then surely there had to be consequences for doing so. You don't just allow the public to suffer and not make the banks and bankers themselves suffer. They should feel the brunt of the suffering and that would have meant the top bankers in prison and serious banking reform. None of that happened and so now fraud has been legitimised and we are seeing it all through the government and banking. They have crossed the path into something completely crooked and corrupt and still the public suffer and long will they suffer and those banks haven't paid for their crimes.

People can handle it if things go wrong and the guilty pay a price. Instead the guilty have got away with it and the people are paying the price. That is the problem with the banks. I would like them to vanish and for banking to be completely nationalised and controlled. I don't see how swamping the public with debt is good for an economy, I really don't. The society of credit and debt is something that is cruel and abusive. People should have been bailed out and the banks left to rot. For too long it is society that has been preyed on by the banks, and eventually when they made a bet too far it collapsed. They deserved it, but they didn't deserve to be helped. The preyed upon deserved to be helped.