NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.

[p4pking]

Yea, using Floyd as an example is a bit rich given his hand injections

Could a brace conceivably help anyone without a bad knee to begin with? I really don't know, but I do seem to remember Yuri Foreman wearing one, in his fight against Cotto, in New York

[Kirkland Laing]

Cotto is the house fighter here. The NYSAC are doing everything they can to extend his career.

If Sergio wins comfortably on points how confident will he feel in the ring afterwards waiting for the decision?

[IamInuit]

Cotto is the house fighter here. The NYSAC are doing everything they can to extend his career.

If Sergio wins comfortably on points how confident will he feel in the ring afterwards waiting for the decision?

I don't buy that in this case and I called Cotto on his stupid weight demand and name appearing first on the banner.Again, if that knee is still that fk'd up then Martinez should have retired. He does not have a special right to gain leverage through artificial means anymore then someone has to do steroids. What next an elbow brace for arm extension of full fake limb? A great play for a built in excuse though.

[Kirkland Laing]

Cotto is the house fighter here. The NYSAC are doing everything they can to extend his career.

If Sergio wins comfortably on points how confident will he feel in the ring afterwards waiting for the decision?

I don't buy that in this case and I called Cotto on his stupid weight demand and name appearing first on the banner.Again, if that knee is still that fk'd up then Martinez should have retired. He does not have a special right to gain leverage through artificial means anymore then someone has to do steroids. What next an elbow brace for arm extension of full fake limb? A great play for a built in excuse though.

They've let fighters wear them in the past but they're not letting Martinez wear one. Res ipsa loquitur.

[beenKOed]

Are they talking about an actual mechanical brace or the pull on, over the knee elastic type?

[Spicoli]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

[IamInuit]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

[Master]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

Knee supports are fine and should be allowed. I wear the metal ones not because I have to but because I feel more confident that my knee will not give way in them.

[Spicoli]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

Its not bionic science either though. I gather this brace as with at least 50 we've seen used over the years, a minimum, are for structural support. He's not being morphed into a cyborg and has competed with one prior. A brace does not undo damage as much as rehabilitate and lessen the chance of further-repeat injury. His knee is still a damaged knee. What next... we gonna start flagging guys with rods and pins in hands and shoulders or titanium plates inserted in their head This is a calculated move and reaction to garner favor for the house fighter, nothing more. It's a punk move.

[Rantcatrat]

Can Sergio Martinez punch with power without a brace? If not, he might be in for a long night.

[IamInuit]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

Its not bionic science either though. I gather this brace as with at least 50 we've seen used over the years, a minimum, are for structural support. He's not being morphed into a cyborg and has competed with one prior. A brace does not undo damage as much as rehabilitate and lessen the chance of further-repeat injury. His knee is still a damaged knee. What next... we gonna start flagging guys with rods and pins in hands and shoulders or titanium plates inserted in their head This is a calculated move and reaction to garner favor for the house fighter, nothing more. It's a punk move.

Lets just call it a difference of opinion then. I mean why does he need it? Is it a crutch and if so why is he fighting? People are acting as if Cotto runs the NYSAC. I'm sure the science has been viewed by those who made the call. What are people going to say if Martinez limps to the ring. They will probably call Cotto the cheat. The bottom line is if he gains strength from that device? If it can be shown that he does or that it enables him to do things that he could not do w/o it then that's wrong plain and simple. Whether he is the six million dollar man is not at issue.

[Beanz]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.

[IamInuit]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.

I did say that and he was below the allowable amount accepted under medical rehab and his handlers failed to inform. He still had all the documentation. Not the same thing. I'm saying that it may add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means I have a problem with that and like I said if its to prevent knee on knee collisions because he's a southpaw then fine. I suspect its more then that. Perhaps its much less in which case it should have no effect at all with or w/o it.