Enough - No more apologies for evil

[Beanflicker]

It's all worthless conjecture anyway from a bunch of arseholes who aren't involved in the situations and have no idea what's going on over there.

[Dia bando]

Just watching the news, apparently there are 500 UK passport holders in Iss,! 500 more
places in prison I hope await them in the very lest.

[Kirkland Laing]

Their is no justification for the burying of people alive.

Beheading is not excusable

The murder of women and children is not understandable

Those who act like barbarians are no better than animals and there is no logic that can explain their actions as anything else

I don't see anybody apologising for ISIS. Alright Miles, but he gets his news from conspiracy websites so everything's a conspiracy. So yes, they're bad guys, and it's about as black and white as you ever get. It would be nice to apply this no apologies for evil standard to other actors who kill tens or hundreds of thousands or millions of people.

[IamInuit]

One side uses precision bombing, smart bombs that behead, blow apart, destroy entire families, bury people alive, etc but those pictures don't make it out or are called collateral damage. Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity.

The other side eats the organs of its enemies, butchers with cleavers and beheads people in front of camera's and allows children to hold up the trophy. Are these any more or less barbaric then the acts
committed from the air or ground of the more technically sophisticated?

These people who go to such raw extremes don't even seem part of the same species. But we and I speak of myself are horrified on how the act is done but not the act itself. Its an uncomfortable feeling for me because I recognize my own hypocrisy.

I'm left with an overall conclusion that humankind (men specifically) are inherently bad not good and nothing convinces more of that fact then history and present day. Einstein was right barring some age of enlightenment, the thinking of mankind does not change.

[Dia bando]

One side uses precision bombing, smart bombs that behead, blow apart, destroy entire families, bury people alive, etc but those pictures don't make it out or are called collateral damage. Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity.

The other side eats the organs of its enemies, butchers with cleavers and beheads people in front of camera's and allows children to hold up the trophy. Are these any more or less barbaric then the acts
committed from the air or ground of the more technically sophisticated?

These people who go to such raw extremes don't even seem part of the same species. But we and I speak of myself are horrified on how the act is done but not the act itself. Its an uncomfortable feeling for me because I recognize my own hypocrisy.

I'm left with an overall conclusion that humankind (men specifically) are inherently bad not good and nothing convinces more of that fact then history and present day. Einstein was right barring some age of enlightenment, the thinking of mankind does not change.

Again very good points, that's it but us lot can discus this, and at no point do we make
threats to kill each other, the people that are doing theses things are not like us one bit.
They are murders of women and children, up close and personal you can't be right in the
head to do such things.
Sitting in a Apace helicopter 2 miles or so away, watching a video screen pressing a button wiping
out 30 plus people, it does dehumanise the act, until you see what you have done.!!!!
The wrongs of War the rights of War,!!!!!!!! were do you start were do you stop,!!!!! some people
make decisions, and they cost lives, some must do it with a heavy heart, and others don't give
a shit.

[Andre]

I think Beanz is saying that when you go to lengths to explain and add reason to these acts (even if you also condemn them) you are in a sense justifying them. But there is no justification.
They behead or bury alive Iraqi citizens of different sects because of the West's foreign policy?
That does not explain these acts. That is not a sequence of events that even makes sense. They do this because they are beyond warped.

Saying the US aided the rise of ISIS is right. Not arguing there. But that is not what warped these people.

It certainly isn't black and white, and I not one for seeing things from a west-centric point of view generally, but I also don't buy into this 1+1 = 10000000000 stuff, ie Evil West + Normal Muslims = murderous butchering Muslims. No. These guys would be evil no matter what injustices they have perceived.

Some people need reminding that the West are not always the do gooder good guys, but equally others need to remember that Muslims are not always the innocent victims simply resisting oppression.

I have a simple saying on the rear of one of my Tee shirts and its straight out a dictionary.
People on both sides are free to get offended by the dictionaries own definition, but mostly its US forces backers and people in uniform who do: Which is interesting and the whole point of the shirt.

TERRORISM:
(tera,rizam)n.
1. The act of terrorizing.
2. The systematic use of
violence and intimidation
to achieve some goal.

[Gandalf]

Their is no justification for the burying of people alive.

Beheading is not excusable

The murder of women and children is not understandable

Those who act like barbarians are no better than animals and there is no logic that can explain their actions as anything else

I don't see anybody apologising for ISIS. Alright Miles, but he gets his news from conspiracy websites so everything's a conspiracy. So yes, they're bad guys, and it's about as black and white as you ever get. It would be nice to apply this no apologies for evil standard to other actors who kill tens or hundreds of thousands or millions of people.

Not true. I read pedestrian UK media and super lame US media. But then add in sharper minds.

[Kirkland Laing]

But then add in sharper minds.

Like that conspiracy nutter from the website you bought the pills from? I dip in and out of these threads but at some point you were planning to buy miracle pills from the website of that fucker who turns up to the Bilderberg gigs.

[Spicoli]

Is it a matter of how and by what means rather than if Isis militants need to die?

Surly...that has to happen. There is no middle ground that I can see. These fuckers need to take a dirt nap.

[Dia bando]

Is it a matter of how and by what means rather than if Isis militants need to die?

Surly...that has to happen. There is no middle ground that I can see. These fuckers need to take a dirt nap.

Trouble is in a way you get rid of a drug dealer, he is replaced by an other one you get rid Isis
some one will replace them.!!!
Never ending circle of murder and hate, but we need to get rid of theses bunch this moment
in time.

[Gandalf]

But then add in sharper minds.

Like that conspiracy nutter from the website you bought the pills from? I dip in and out of these threads but at some point you were planning to buy miracle pills from the website of that fucker who turns up to the Bilderberg gigs.

I read mainstream UK media, mainstream US media, then get alternatives from Russia Today, Zero Hedge, The Real News, Democracy Now, and for sure some Alex Jones.

I splice it to come to my own conclusions be what they may. Generally the mainstream turns me completely off, but I force my way through it.

[Gandalf]

Actually, Alex Jones, The Guardian, The Independent, they all suck when it comes to Israel. Either no comments allowed or no comment as one is married to one. Very lame.

British media is shameful in this regard, but we can have false flags and lie about Isis?

That's okay. Makes you wonder who is pulling the strings.

[Kirkland Laing]

But then add in sharper minds.

Like that conspiracy nutter from the website you bought the pills from? I dip in and out of these threads but at some point you were planning to buy miracle pills from the website of that fucker who turns up to the Bilderberg gigs.

I read mainstream UK media, mainstream US media, then get alternatives from Russia Today, Zero Hedge, The Real News, Democracy Now, and for sure some Alex Jones.

I splice it to come to my own conclusions be what they may. Generally the mainstream turns me completely off, but I force my way through it.

Where did you get the idea that America created ISIS? Reagan arming jihadis in Afghanistan or conspiracy media?

[Gandalf]

But then add in sharper minds.

Like that conspiracy nutter from the website you bought the pills from? I dip in and out of these threads but at some point you were planning to buy miracle pills from the website of that fucker who turns up to the Bilderberg gigs.

I read mainstream UK media, mainstream US media, then get alternatives from Russia Today, Zero Hedge, The Real News, Democracy Now, and for sure some Alex Jones.

I splice it to come to my own conclusions be what they may. Generally the mainstream turns me completely off, but I force my way through it.

Where did you get the idea that America created ISIS? Reagan arming jihadis in Afghanistan or conspiracy media?

Mainly from Zero Hedge.

[Gandalf]

Have you laughed at the English and American media recently? They are the conspiracy theorists these days. Borderline pathetic.