The Muhammad Ali Appreciation Thread 2

[brocktonblockbust]

Ali did not have to fight again. After servıng hıs tıme, he could have retired and saıd he was the greatest. Had he retıred ın 1969, say, he would have already been fıghtıng professıonally for 7 years. That ıs as long as Rocky Marciano's entire career, almost. Ali already HAD hıs career, 1960-1967, and that ıs PLENTY long for heavyweıghts. Ali dıdnt ever have to fıght agaın.

Let,s gıve that warrıor a real round of applause, he was the toughest SOB I can remember, apart from my Rocco of course LOL. Dundee: 'Muhammad ıs the toughest %+&^& I ever trained'.

[brocktonblockbust]

also, when he came back ın 1970, he fought hard and won all fıghts, then he took a batterıng beyond belıef from Smokın Joe, he could have retıred rıght then and saıd OK I gave ıt a try, Im a step slow, I dont got ıt anymore, I went out on my shıeld.

But look what he dıd---he beat Frazıer twıce after that, lost to Norton, beat Norton twıce after that--and the UNTHINKABLE----KNOCKED OUT GEORGE MONSTER FOREMAN.

Now THATS when he should've retired!!! October 1974.

[Bill Paxtom]

1967

Had Cassius Clay retired.

He would go down as a talented Heavyweight Champion, but not regarded as the Greatest.

Too many 'what ifs'.

Remember, he fought a lot of 'old guys'.

[brocktonblockbust]

1967

Had Cassius Clay retired.

He would go down as a talented Heavyweight Champion, but not regarded as the Greatest.

Too many 'what ifs'.

Remember, he fought a lot of 'old guys'.

yes he dıd. Cleveland had been abdomınally shot hte year before. Archıe Moore....no need to comment. Floyd Patterosn, puhhhLEASE. Lıston also was past hıs prıme ınh 1964-5. But Alı was a blazıng demon---DOug Jones got hım good though.

[Bill Paxtom]

Cassius Clay 'Title Fights'

* Sonny Liston I .......... "Controversy Galore" ~ "Follow the Money"

* Sonny Liston II ......... "Sonny dives into the Atlantic Ocean" ~ "Follow the Money"

* Floyd Patterson ......... "Floyd enters the Ring with a bad back, and having been floored numerous times by his sparring partners leading up to the fight"

* George Chuvalo ........ "A fill-in for Ernie Terrell when that promotion fell through. George had lost his previous bout to Eduardo Corletti"

* Henry Cooper ............ 'Henry gets the rematch, only because he floored Cassius 3-Years earlier"

* Brian London ............ "Cassius scrapes the bottom of the Garbage Heap for an 'undeserving' Challenger"

* Karl Mildenberger ...... 'Karl brings in a questionable #1 WBA Rating, to go along with an even more querstionable chin" ~ "German Strudel"

* Cleveland Williams .... "A mercy fight for Cleveland in Houston. The man was 'literally shot', had weakened legs and a damaged abdominal area."

* Ernie Terrell ............. "A gangling Octopus, who clutched more than he punched"

* Zora Folley ............... "A 36-year-old cement-shoed boxer, who was 7-Years past his prime"

[Master]

Brock I know you have been a critique of Ali but are fair minded enough to acknowledge what a great fighter and champion he was.

Bill take a leaf out of Brock’s book and be open minded when it comes to all things Muhammad Ali.

[mikeeod]

I hate Ali as a person. Worse than I hate Floyd as a person. The way Ali behaved and the way he treated Frazier after Joe helped him get reinstated...etc., is appalling to me.

All of that being said, there will NEVER be another Ali, he was amazing in so many different ways in the ring, he beat the best crop of challengers ever and has every right to be proclaimed "The Greatest". The guy transcended not only boxing but sports in general. I don't agree with most of his political views, but I respect a man for going against the system and fighting for his peoples rights. The fight of the century vs Frazier actually lived up to the hype and on numerous occasions Ali left a piece of his body and soul in the ring to live up to his "Greatest" mantle. Unbelievable fighter.

[Bill Paxtom]

Cassius Clay

Was a 'thick-skulled' Human with 'low' intelligence.

His Aptitude Test indicated that he was borderline mentally retarded.

Yes, he may have been 'street smart' in the Boxing Ring, and whimsical in front of
an 'All Believing Press'

But, the clown was a 'Looney-Bird'.

[Master]

Not being intelligent in an academic sense does not make you mental.

Although you could be the exception to the rule.

[Bill Paxtom]

Not being intelligent in an academic sense does not make you mental.

Although you could be the exception to the rule.

I did not say that 'not' being an Academic means that you're mentally retarded.

Cassius appeared to be 'quick witted', just not book smart.

You wouldn't let him operate any Heavy Equipment, would you ?

Let's put it this way.

Would you let him mow your lawn with a Wheel Horse Tractor, if there were young children around.

Case Closed.............

[Master]

Not being intelligent in an academic sense does not make you mental.

Although you could be the exception to the rule.

I did not say that 'not' being an Academic means that you're mentally retarded.

Cassius appeared to be 'quick witted', just not book smart.

You wouldn't let him operate any Heavy Equipment, would you ?

Let's put it this way.

Would you let him mow your lawn with a Wheel Horse Tractor, if there were young children around.

Case Closed.............

I would let him operate heavy equipment around you.