How to get maximum tension on your hips before you punch?

[jms]

I was sent a guy who had a bad accident, car hitting him while cycling. Was in a coma 33 days Ankle Hip knees damage. Last month, at the age of 55 He completed a Half iron man. youll never guess how it was done By doing it for 6 months.

Couldn't be stretching, could it?!

[jms]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is more or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

[Scrap]

I was sent a guy who had a bad accident, car hitting him while cycling. Was in a coma 33 days Ankle Hip knees damage. Last month, at the age of 55 He completed a Half iron man. youll never guess how it was done By doing it for 6 months.

Couldn't be stretching, could it?!

Exercise is about muscle contraction, do it without stretching, down the line theres going to be problems.

[BCBUD]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is more or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

[SugarBoxing]

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

This is not science, this is scientology

[BCBUD]

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

This is not science, this is scientology

Why is that Scientology? Again beyond the normal range of motion the cns disconnects.theres no scientific adaptation to increase the number fast twitch muscle fibres besides the only way you can activate type 2 muscles is the amount of weight you lift and how manage fatigue during sets. So How does stretching your muscles to the normal range of motion increase those muscle fibres needed for sprinting and throwing fast muscles? Enlighten us!

[WayneFlint]

Just wow bcbud your too stupid to be taught, you think your smart but all you do is ask questions and dont bother ro educate yourself to understand the answers given.

If your postures screwed then half of your muscles arent even working during your shots, you have overactive muscles that need stretching so they can contract fully, if the antagonist muscles to the trigger muscles in a punch arent flexible then they are slowing you down and fucking you up for turning your hips and landing good rights with complete extention thus good bone allignment to help support the direction in which the force is distributed.

Seriously i could go on and on but WTF n BC im afraid you guys are already fucked, and you never understand the answers given neway. When you havnt got it you havnt got it and Overthinking ur shit is just gonna make it worse now. You need propper coaching from a trainer that knows what hes doing and he may be able to teach you.

BC some of your statments are so stupid its untrue, stretching has been proved to have no effect? LMFAO! like i said scrap its like trying to explain mathmatics to a dog with these two pal lol.

OMGwft i dunno wot crap theyve been teaching you in your weekenders MMA gym but we cant talk you into good technique on the internet lol, repetition, repetition, repetition, ultimatley you have to be gifted enough to feel your way there, if you can do that AND you can prevent your musculature system from causing resistance when you punch and make sure all muscles are working how they should then you can punch with good rotation.
You will know when your there because you can throw you most powerful punches and they feel effortless and the shot brings itself back again with seemingly no effort. The less you put into a punch and the more you get from it means the better it is. If you cant feel your way there you probably lack the coordination required to throw properly, even if your posture is perfect your screwed.

A video is needed to see how your punching, then we can help you. Dont bother asking anymore daft questions unless you give us somthing to work with.

[jms]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is more or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

Where in that article does it even say anything about flexibility?

Besides it doesn't even matter. You can post random internet sources all day. If you walked up to any half-decent strength and conditioning coach or physical therapist and told them flexibility can't be improved you'd be laughed out of the room. It's an opinion that can't even be taken seriously. You have to be trolling.

[BCBUD]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is more or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

Where in that article does it even say anything about flexibility?

Besides it doesn't even matter. You can post random internet sources all day. If you walked up to any half-decent strength and conditioning coach or physical therapist and told them flexibility can't be improved you'd be laughed out of the room. It's an opinion that can't even be taken seriously. You have to be trolling.

Woooow! Hey guys I'm not trying to be defensive first off I have great trainers! Which includes a brand new strength training coach. I am not a fighter with 0-8 tomato can record, too add to all that I have a coach that trained Lennox Lewis a National Level coach and when I go on about twisting my limbs to get strong they look at me funny and say that's called stretching not resistance (heavy) training. You'd be wrong to think that I'm stupid since I come from good genes my one of my parents is a physician the other an academic had my grades fallen below the honor roll I wouldn't even be boxing. Again I'm not posting anything my question is the following how does stretching fully to the normal range activate type 2 muscle fibre. Kindly answer that question. Please!

[jms]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is more or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

Where in that article does it even say anything about flexibility?

Besides it doesn't even matter. You can post random internet sources all day. If you walked up to any half-decent strength and conditioning coach or physical therapist and told them flexibility can't be improved you'd be laughed out of the room. It's an opinion that can't even be taken seriously. You have to be trolling.

Woooow! Hey guys I'm not trying to be defensive first off I have great trainers! Which includes a brand new strength training coach. I am not a fighter with 0-8 tomato can record, too add to all that I have a coach that trained Lennox Lewis a National Level coach and when I go on about twisting my limbs to get strong they look at me funny and say that's called stretching not resistance (heavy) training. You'd be wrong to think that I'm stupid since I come from good genes my one of my parents is a physician the other an academic had my grades fallen below the honor roll I wouldn't even be boxing. Again I'm not posting anything my question is the following how does stretching fully to the normal range activate type 2 muscle fibre. Kindly answer that question. Please!

The point is to give full range of motion while maintaining strength. Good stretching will develop that. If range of motion is limited, especially in the hip joint or ankles, then it's physically impossible to punch or move well without forcing it and causing injury. You can add resistance to the stretching too. Of course stretching on its own won't cause huge gains in strength, that's what a good lifting program is for.

The original argument was you saying flexibility can't be improved, which is absolute bullshit. You sound like someone who just read about this topic last week and is claiming to be an expert on it. And not a single person is saying stretching makes you strong, is reading comprehension not required to be an honor roll student where you're from?

[BCBUD]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is moere or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

Where in that article does it even say anything about flexibility?

Besides it doesn't even matter. You can post random internet sources all day. If you walked up to any half-decent strength and conditioning coach or physical therapist and told them flexibility can't be improved you'd be laughed out of the room. It's an opinion that can't even be taken seriously. You have to be trolling.

Woooow! Hey guys I'm not trying to be defensive first off I have great trainers! Which includes a brand new strength training coach. I am not a fighter with 0-8 tomato can record, too add to all that I have a coach that trained Lennox Lewis a National Level coach and when I go on about twisting my limbs to get strong they look at me funny and say that's called stretching not resistance (heavy) training. You'd be wrong to think that I'm stupid since I come from good genes my one of my parents is a physician the other an academic had my grades fallen below the honor roll I wouldn't even be boxing. Again I'm not posting anything my question is the following how does stretching fully to the normal range activate type 2 muscle fibre. Kindly answer that question. Please!

The point is to give full range of motion while maintaining strength. Good stretching will develop that. If range of motion is limited, especially in the hip joint or ankles, then it's physically impossible to punch or move well without forcing it and causing injury. You can add resistance to the stretching too. Of course stretching on its own won't cause huge gains in strength, that's what a good lifting program is for.

The original argument was you saying flexibility can't be improved, which is absolute bullshit. You sound like someone who just read about this topic last week and is claiming to be an expert on it. And not a single person is saying stretching makes you strong, is reading comprehension not required to be an honor roll student where you're from?

Meh! The tendons have very little tension to stretching beyond a 4% stretch after that they can tear or worse yet!!! lengthen beyond their ability to recoil also by the time your an adult your tissues have lost 15% of their moisture content making it less supple and prone to injury. My coach won't risk it by having me do stretches because he says that there isn't one published study that says it prevents injury and to the contrary muscles lose there flexibility when over stretched like a rubber band. He is a national boxing coach. Lastly a good boxer should have flexibility so why the need to improve it? I'd think that one would strong muscles to flexible.

[Scrap]

Simply because of your eyesight, and dominant side, alters structure, and tracking.

[jms]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is moere or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

Where in that article does it even say anything about flexibility?

Besides it doesn't even matter. You can post random internet sources all day. If you walked up to any half-decent strength and conditioning coach or physical therapist and told them flexibility can't be improved you'd be laughed out of the room. It's an opinion that can't even be taken seriously. You have to be trolling.

Woooow! Hey guys I'm not trying to be defensive first off I have great trainers! Which includes a brand new strength training coach. I am not a fighter with 0-8 tomato can record, too add to all that I have a coach that trained Lennox Lewis a National Level coach and when I go on about twisting my limbs to get strong they look at me funny and say that's called stretching not resistance (heavy) training. You'd be wrong to think that I'm stupid since I come from good genes my one of my parents is a physician the other an academic had my grades fallen below the honor roll I wouldn't even be boxing. Again I'm not posting anything my question is the following how does stretching fully to the normal range activate type 2 muscle fibre. Kindly answer that question. Please!

The point is to give full range of motion while maintaining strength. Good stretching will develop that. If range of motion is limited, especially in the hip joint or ankles, then it's physically impossible to punch or move well without forcing it and causing injury. You can add resistance to the stretching too. Of course stretching on its own won't cause huge gains in strength, that's what a good lifting program is for.

The original argument was you saying flexibility can't be improved, which is absolute bullshit. You sound like someone who just read about this topic last week and is claiming to be an expert on it. And not a single person is saying stretching makes you strong, is reading comprehension not required to be an honor roll student where you're from?

Meh! The tendons have very little tension to stretching beyond a 4% stretch after that they can tear or worse yet!!! lengthen beyond their ability to recoil also by the time your an adult your tissues have lost 15% of their moisture content making it less supple and prone to injury. My coach won't risk it by having me do stretches because he says that there isn't one published study that says it prevents injury and to the contrary muscles lose there flexibility when over stretched like a rubber band. He is a national boxing coach. Lastly a good boxer should have flexibility so why the need to improve it? I'd think that one would strong muscles to flexible.

You aren't stretching tendons, you're stretching muscles. We aren't talking stretching to prevent injury, we're talking stretching to improve range of motion when it's lacking which enables proper technique. It's not just stretching though, it's mobility work in general.

If you already have full range of motion then great, you don't necessarily need to stretch but you still should do work to improve strength and do it along that full range of motion. Plenty of people have flexibility but lack mobility due to either muscle weaknesses/imbalances or a lack of coordination.

For the record it's very rare for someone to show up to a boxing gym with great mobility in the ankles and hips. Legs are often turned in or out, glutes are often weak (especially glute med), there tends to be very little strength or endurance under hip flexion, especially when rotational components are added, etc. I've heard from several coaches over the past few years that something like 90% of people who step in a gym have problems with their body that have to be fixed before they can ever get their technique right.

[BCBUD]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is moere or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

Where in that article does it even say anything about flexibility?

Besides it doesn't even matter. You can post random internet sources all day. If you walked up to any half-decent strength and conditioning coach or physical therapist and told them flexibility can't be improved you'd be laughed out of the room. It's an opinion that can't even be taken seriously. You have to be trolling.

Woooow! Hey guys I'm not trying to be defensive first off I have great trainers! Which includes a brand new strength training coach. I am not a fighter with 0-8 tomato can record, too add to all that I have a coach that trained Lennox Lewis a National Level coach and when I go on about twisting my limbs to get strong they look at me funny and say that's called stretching not resistance (heavy) training. You'd be wrong to think that I'm stupid since I come from good genes my one of my parents is a physician the other an academic had my grades fallen below the honor roll I wouldn't even be boxing. Again I'm not posting anything my question is the following how does stretching fully to the normal range activate type 2 muscle fibre. Kindly answer that question. Please!

The point is to give full range of motion while maintaining strength. Good stretching will develop that. If range of motion is limited, especially in the hip joint or ankles, then it's physically impossible to punch or move well without forcing it and causing injury. You can add resistance to the stretching too. Of course stretching on its own won't cause huge gains in strength, that's what a good lifting program is for.

The original argument was you saying flexibility can't be improved, which is absolute bullshit. You sound like someone who just read about this topic last week and is claiming to be an expert on it. And not a single person is saying stretching makes you strong, is reading comprehension not required to be an honor roll student where you're from?

Meh! The tendons have very little tension to stretching beyond a 4% stretch after that they can tear or worse yet!!! lengthen beyond their ability to recoil also by the time your an adult your tissues have lost 15% of their moisture content making it less supple and prone to injury. My coach won't risk it by having me do stretches because he says that there isn't one published study that says it prevents injury and to the contrary muscles lose there flexibility when over stretched like a rubber band. He is a national boxing coach. Lastly a good boxer should have flexibility so why the need to improve it? I'd think that one would strong muscles to flexible.

You aren't stretching tendons, you're stretching muscles. We aren't talking stretching to prevent injury, we're talking stretching to improve range of motion when it's lacking which enables proper technique. It's not just stretching though, it's mobility work in general.

If you already have full range of motion then great, you don't necessarily need to stretch but you still should do work to improve strength and do it along that full range of motion. Plenty of people have flexibility but lack mobility due to either muscle weaknesses/imbalances or a lack of coordination.

For the record it's very rare for someone to show up to a boxing gym with great mobility in the ankles and hips. Legs are often turned in or out, glutes are often weak (especially glute med), there tends to be very little strength or endurance under hip flexion, especially when rotational components are added, etc. I've heard from several coaches over the past few years that something like 90% of people who step in a gym have problems with their body that have to be fixed before they can ever get their technique right.

Tell you what I'll take this thread to the national coach and have him read it. This will give us an inside view to the top coaches and how they think. I'll post the response tomorrow.

[jms]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is moere or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

Where in that article does it even say anything about flexibility?

Besides it doesn't even matter. You can post random internet sources all day. If you walked up to any half-decent strength and conditioning coach or physical therapist and told them flexibility can't be improved you'd be laughed out of the room. It's an opinion that can't even be taken seriously. You have to be trolling.

Woooow! Hey guys I'm not trying to be defensive first off I have great trainers! Which includes a brand new strength training coach. I am not a fighter with 0-8 tomato can record, too add to all that I have a coach that trained Lennox Lewis a National Level coach and when I go on about twisting my limbs to get strong they look at me funny and say that's called stretching not resistance (heavy) training. You'd be wrong to think that I'm stupid since I come from good genes my one of my parents is a physician the other an academic had my grades fallen below the honor roll I wouldn't even be boxing. Again I'm not posting anything my question is the following how does stretching fully to the normal range activate type 2 muscle fibre. Kindly answer that question. Please!

The point is to give full range of motion while maintaining strength. Good stretching will develop that. If range of motion is limited, especially in the hip joint or ankles, then it's physically impossible to punch or move well without forcing it and causing injury. You can add resistance to the stretching too. Of course stretching on its own won't cause huge gains in strength, that's what a good lifting program is for.

The original argument was you saying flexibility can't be improved, which is absolute bullshit. You sound like someone who just read about this topic last week and is claiming to be an expert on it. And not a single person is saying stretching makes you strong, is reading comprehension not required to be an honor roll student where you're from?

Meh! The tendons have very little tension to stretching beyond a 4% stretch after that they can tear or worse yet!!! lengthen beyond their ability to recoil also by the time your an adult your tissues have lost 15% of their moisture content making it less supple and prone to injury. My coach won't risk it by having me do stretches because he says that there isn't one published study that says it prevents injury and to the contrary muscles lose there flexibility when over stretched like a rubber band. He is a national boxing coach. Lastly a good boxer should have flexibility so why the need to improve it? I'd think that one would strong muscles to flexible.

You aren't stretching tendons, you're stretching muscles. We aren't talking stretching to prevent injury, we're talking stretching to improve range of motion when it's lacking which enables proper technique. It's not just stretching though, it's mobility work in general.

If you already have full range of motion then great, you don't necessarily need to stretch but you still should do work to improve strength and do it along that full range of motion. Plenty of people have flexibility but lack mobility due to either muscle weaknesses/imbalances or a lack of coordination.

For the record it's very rare for someone to show up to a boxing gym with great mobility in the ankles and hips. Legs are often turned in or out, glutes are often weak (especially glute med), there tends to be very little strength or endurance under hip flexion, especially when rotational components are added, etc. I've heard from several coaches over the past few years that something like 90% of people who step in a gym have problems with their body that have to be fixed before they can ever get their technique right.

Tell you what I'll take this thread to the national coach and have him read it. This will give us an inside view to the top coaches and how they think. I'll post the response tomorrow.

Cool, I'm sure he'll clear some things up. Because honestly at this point I don't even know what you're trying to argue, and I'm not sure you do either.