Tyson & Pacquiao

[Sleepwalker]

Tyson was disintegrating after Spinks, losing Jacobs and then Rooney, you could see his life and boxing going downhill. He looked awful against Bruno and it was only a matter of time he would be beat. Buster did it and if it was Holyfield he could have done it by 1990.

He was only 24 when he beat Razzor.

Tyson left himself open a few times. He would have gotten rocked by other competent, alert fighters.

Yes but at the same time when you threw against Tyson and missed then you knew what was coming after that miss and that kept a lot of guys from throwing punches they could have landed....a lot of it was guys not confident enough of landing clean on Mike.

Yeah, I forgot to mention FEAR. They were gun shy because they just plain afraid.

[Master]

Tyson was disintegrating after Spinks, losing Jacobs and then Rooney, you could see his life and boxing going downhill. He looked awful against Bruno and it was only a matter of time he would be beat. Buster did it and if it was Holyfield he could have done it by 1990.

He was only 24 when he beat Razzor.

Tyson left himself open a few times. He would have gotten rocked by other competent, alert fighters.

Yes but at the same time when you threw against Tyson and missed then you knew what was coming after that miss and that kept a lot of guys from throwing punches they could have landed....a lot of it was guys not confident enough of landing clean on Mike.

Yeah, I forgot to mention FEAR. They were gun shy because they just plain afraid.

Yes they were. Tyson should have gone to their dressing room and comforted them before they fought.

[El Kabong]

Those guys came honest by that fear because when he was on Tyson would make any 1 mistake an opponent made a fight ending mistake with his speed and power

[corvette]

Tyson smashed the resistance out of Rudduck he broke his ribs and jaw. Lennox finished off the left overs as he did Tucker.

Tyson blazed like an ATG fighter for a short period. That Tyson would have wiped Holyfield, Buster and other great champions.

Tyson's era was too weak.

He would never beat Holyfield or Douglas.

The hype around that trash fighter is pathetic.

[SlimTrae]

Two fighters whose fans have misconstrued the word "exciting" in place of "great".

It's great to see exciting fighters but that doesn't make them great.
As being so called boring to watch doesn't eliminate any athlete from being considered as great.
If Pac or Tyson were Quarterbacks in the National football ball leagues, they IMO would play like Brett Favre: gun slingers who are either throwing touchdowns or interceptions.
Floyd IMO would be like Joe Montana: no strong arm. Doesn't run out of the pocket, yet wins Super Bowl after super bowl.
ATGs find ways to win.

Tyson per Cuss D'amato didn't have the style to beat certain fighters Holyfield proved it.Whooped his ass once and before he could whoop his ass twice, Tyson bit his way out..
Pac just can't beat JMM or any master counter puncher

PBf. Bhop, Ali, Calzaghe, Holmes, These fighters define ATG.
They find ways to win, even if they have to change styles.
Hell, that's what makes them great.

I Enjoy watching Pac & Tyson. THEY BRING IT!
Yet they have no plan B when needed. That makes them exciting , BUT not GREAT.
Great rebuttals welcome..

It's an insult to football. Football is a team sport. Quaterbacks, even the elite athletes have to use other players to be great at the game. Boxing is an individual effort.

I think they were both great fighters and their accomplishments pretty much prove that. They may not have superior defensive skills but that also doesn't mean they are not great offensive boxers. There is plenty of context to use the term "Great Fighters" with these two fighters.

I was referring to the excitement Favre brought.
Maybe you've never seen Favre play live.
He was a thrill to watch. Because he was wreckless.
Pac is also. Remember when he used to throw off balance just to score a point or a ko?
Favre was the first qb to throw off his back foot...regularly.

Just because football is a team sport doesn't mean an athlete from boxing, track, or golf can't have an athlete to compare with an athlete who comes from a team sport.

[SlimTrae]

I missed the great offensive fighter comment.
No offense but I don't partition skills.
Individual or team sport.
Paulie Malinaggi then could be called great if i separate offense from defense.
Greatness can't be someone who has great offense (James Kirkland) but shitty defence.

I am not referring to great defensive or great offensive fighter.
I am referring to All Time Greats v who have both.

[SugarBoxing]

Tyson smashed the resistance out of Rudduck he broke his ribs and jaw. Lennox finished off the left overs as he did Tucker.

Tyson blazed like an ATG fighter for a short period. That Tyson would have wiped Holyfield, Buster and other great champions.

Amen to that

[Ron Swanson]

Aggressive fighters are always wildly overrated because they look so good when they win. But they can't adjust like boxers.

[SlimTrae]

Aggressive fighters are always wildly overrated because they look so good when they win. But they can't adjust like boxers.

True.

[Sleepwalker]

Aggressive fighters are always wildly overrated because they look so good when they win. But they can't adjust like boxers.

Precisely why I don't feed into the hype of newcomers who come in knocking out 18 of their first 20 opponents or whatever.

[Beanflicker]

Aggressive fighters are always wildly overrated because they look so good when they win. But they can't adjust like boxers.

Ron goddamnit I think you hit the nail on the head.

Everyone loves the puncher and the brawler, but in the end it'll always be the boxer - the TECHNICIAN - who rules the sport.

It's always the same thing: people see a puncher batter a non-mobile, non-technical guy and start thinking that he can do it to everyone. SMH...

Some people expected Pac to throw 100 punches a round against Mayweather like he did against Margarito.

[El Kabong]

Aggressive fighters are always wildly overrated because they look so good when they win. But they can't adjust like boxers.

Precisely why I don't feed into the hype of newcomers who come in knocking out 18 of their first 20 opponents or whatever.

Exactly!

Fighters can hurt themselves by KO-ing everyone in their path because once a fighter can take their shots they wilt under that "new" pressure of "Holy shit I can't KO this dude" OR they do the Tommy Morrison vs Ray Mercer/Wlad vs Purrity/Brewster throw the kitchen sink at the guy and just have an empty gas tank when the other guy is just absorbing punishment.

It's smart for a fighter to be well rounded, have power, but also be able to box, have some defense. Offensive skills are impressive to watch, but defense wins championships.


I think Gerry Cooney as well as George Foreman had tough times learning to BOX because they had such awesome power they walked through everyone. Their power did not allow them to become prepared to fight Larry Holmes and Muhammad Ali respectively and ditto for Tyson in regards to his fights with Holyfield.

[Beanflicker]

Aggressive fighters are always wildly overrated because they look so good when they win. But they can't adjust like boxers.

Precisely why I don't feed into the hype of newcomers who come in knocking out 18 of their first 20 opponents or whatever.

Fuckin right!

We could work our bald buddy Tam up to 100-0 with 100 KOs if we picked the right opponents.

Quality over quantity, and death before dishonour!