PBF & PAC haters (what could they have done to get your respect?)

[Master]

@IamInuit- That was thorough. You dissected my post like a frog in biology class.

I like the use of the word "legacy".

I used that quite a bit to discuss Floyd. My argument has been: A guy like Oscar De La hoya became the cash cow- not just because of his fame with women, but because he went after fighters like Swee-Pea rated P4p & no catch weights, an undefeated Ike Quartey to Tito Trinidad to Hopkins- again no catch weight because he was chasing legacy, creating a "spectacle"- where people pay to see-can he really do it?


So chasing the "legacy" allowed the money to follow. Floyd IMO was chasing the money.......hoping "legacy" would follow.

You are right about Oscar, he took chances against the top fighters and pushed himself. He earned the golden boy tag.

[SlimTrae]

Anybody got anything on why Pac left Murad for Arum? Was it for the better?

[IamInuit]

Think of the ring for the moment as the human brain. Some choose to use only a certain portion of it and ignore the rest. Some are incapable of using the rest that we have access to. Think of him what you will but he is neither one of those two.

[ruthless rocco]

Oh look! The Pactards are resurfacing. Are you babies done crying in your mother's bosoms?

[ruthless rocco]

@IamInuit - That was thorough. You dissected my post like a frog in biology class.

I like the use of the word "legacy".

I used that quite a bit to discuss Floyd. My argument has been: A guy like Oscar De La hoya became the cash cow- not just because of his fame with women, but because he went after fighters like Swee-Pea rated P4p & no catch weights, an undefeated Ike Quartey to Tito Trinidad to Hopkins- again no catch weight because he was chasing legacy, creating a "spectacle"- where people pay to see-can he really do it?


So chasing the "legacy" allowed the money to follow. Floyd IMO was chasing the money.......hoping "legacy" would follow.

Floyd's legacy is going to include being able to speak clearly and wipe his own ass well into old age.

[SlimTrae]

@IamInuit - That was thorough. You dissected my post like a frog in biology class.

I like the use of the word "legacy".

I used that quite a bit to discuss Floyd. My argument has been: A guy like Oscar De La hoya became the cash cow- not just because of his fame with women, but because he went after fighters like Swee-Pea rated P4p & no catch weights, an undefeated Ike Quartey to Tito Trinidad to Hopkins- again no catch weight because he was chasing legacy, creating a "spectacle"- where people pay to see-can he really do it?


So chasing the "legacy" allowed the money to follow. Floyd IMO was chasing the money.......hoping "legacy" would follow.

Floyd's legacy is being able to wipe his own well into old age.

He'll probably use his money to pay someone to do that!

[mikeeod]

@IamInuit- That was thorough. You dissected my post like a frog in biology class.

I like the use of the word "legacy".

I used that quite a bit to discuss Floyd. My argument has been: A guy like Oscar De La hoya became the cash cow- not just because of his fame with women, but because he went after fighters like Swee-Pea rated P4p & no catch weights, an undefeated Ike Quartey to Tito Trinidad to Hopkins- again no catch weight because he was chasing legacy, creating a "spectacle"- where people pay to see-can he really do it?

So chasing the "legacy" allowed the money to follow. Floyd IMO was chasing the money.......hoping "legacy" would follow.

Great post, and exactly the point I always make when it comes to Floyd. Oscar doesn't have the record that Floyd does (undefeated), but he fought undefeated/prime Genaro Hernandez, Rafael Ruelas (1 defeat at the time), Shane Mosely (HOF/P4P), Tito Trinidad (HOF/P4P), Ike Quartey (P4P), Miguel Angel Gonzales, Fernando Vargas (1 defeat), Bernard Hopkins (2 defeats/P4P/HOF), Manny Paquiou, and Pernell Whitaker (1 defeat/HOF/P4P at the time).

Oscar MADE those fights happen. Ray Leonard MADE fights vs. Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez...etc. Manny MADE fights against Barrera, Ledwaba, Morales, JMM, Cotto, and Oscar (Manny was a HUGE underdog vs. Oscar). Hop MADE his fights vs. Tito, Tarver, Roy, Pavilik, Kovalev, Joe C....etc.

Floyd is an ATG fighter and it was great to watch him during his prime years when he was striving to make a name for himself. That being said, for whatever reason, he missed some of the really big/best opponents that would have sealed his LEGACY and that hurts him on most P4P lists (of respected historians).

[powerpuncher]

One correction was that when Oscar fought bhop it was at a catch weight of 157 I believe.

There is also no denying that Oscar really fought everyone which is a rarity. Most people avoid some fighters over there career but Oscar literally fought everybody.

[mikeeod]

One correction was that when Oscar fought bhop it was at a catch weight of 157 I believe.

There is also no denying that Oscar really fought everyone which is a rarity. Most people avoid some fighters over there career but Oscar literally fought everybody.

Hop weighed in at 157 to prove a point, there was no catch weight. I don't recall Oscar EVER dictating a catch weight, and if anyone had the clout to do it, it was him. Mosely is another guy who fought EVERYONE. Floyd fought good comp, but nowhere near what his talent and fame were worthy of.

[beenKOed]

What's all this hater stuff, we're all boxing fans. Can't we have a different opinion about boxers and how they manage their careers?
There are times when I bad-mouth Floyd, but some of you force me to do it! Floyd gets a pass on a lot of decisions he makes but when other fighters try the same thing some of you jump all over them! That pisses me off!
Oh boy! Floyd, he's the greatest! He makes the most money! He deserves an easy fight! Man, nobody tells Floyd what to do! Floyd's wonderful! TBE, GOAT, and he has the most women!
When Khan tries to maneuver himself into a big money fight with Floyd, everyone calls him a money hungry prick! Money is always on Floyd's mind but when Khan does the same thing it's wrong.
Floyd's the best, that can't be denied but that doesn't mean he should get everyone's respect. There are many fighters I respect more than Floyd.
As for Manny, I guess Floyd is the only boxer who has never lied. Right?