Should Floyd be P4P number 1(really good read)

[Unknowndonor]

I definitely agree, PBF should be in all top3 of everyone P4P list, I juat don't think number 1.

These guys are Pretty Boys, The Game. You can't convince a Pretty Fanboy anything.

They can't see the forest for the trees. You can argue with reason and valid arguments and they'll blow it off as "you just don't like Floyd."

Believe me, I've tried. It's a waste of time. haha

I'm a Floyd fan and I say Wright should be #1, Floyd 2. Pac 3.

Who would you put ahead of him? Fill me with your knowledge. Please.

[gyrokai]

Unknown, wow, they make you! And number two is still two high! haha

I say Pacquiao is number one, but Winky at number one, with his dominance and consistency has earned his respect, even if I'm not a big fan of Winky you can't deny him his status. Here's a quote from Doug Fischer, in case anyone wants the...

Cliff Notes from Gyrokai.

BUT I do think it's telling that the two best fighters Mayweather has fought since JL Castillo - Zab and Chop Chop - were both coming off losses.

Wow, nice quote from Dougie! Go get'em Dougie!
I used to not like this guy, Fischer, now I understand that he bases all his arguments on reason. He also admits when he's wrong. I don't agree with him all the time, I even met him after the Morales Pacquiao I fight, and told him, to his face, that
"I don't agree with you all the time." haha

Check this out:
You ask if “there is a dispute that Judah has the physical ability to give Mayweather a better fight than Bruseles, N'Dou, Gatti or Mitchell gave him?”

No, there isn’t; but isn’t that an indictment on the quality of PBF’s opposition over the past three years?

Another brilliant move by the Dougster. Just give the man his PhD!
And here's another quote on his opposition:
Beyond Hatton (who isn’t ready to fight PBF this year) and Margarito (who was born ready), don’t you think that Joel Casamayor, Julio Diaz, Acelino Freitas, Junior Witter, Vivian Harris, Juan Lazcano, and even Lovemore Ndou ALSO have the physical ability (as well as the experience and skills) to give PBF a better fight than Bruseles, Ndou, Gatti or Mitchell?

And finally, the killer quote:
Real fans want to see good fights – period.

Ooohhhhh!

[Unknowndonor]

Unknown, wow, they make you! And number two is still two high! haha

I say Pacquiao is number one, but Winky at number one, with his dominance and consistency has earned his respect, even if I'm not a big fan of Winky you can't deny him his status. Here's a quote from Doug Fischer, in case anyone wants the...

Cliff Notes from Gyrokai.

BUT I do think it's telling that the two best fighters Mayweather has fought since JL Castillo - Zab and Chop Chop - were both coming off losses.

Wow, nice quote from Dougie! Go get'em Dougie!
I used to not like this guy, Fischer, now I understand that he bases all his arguments on reason. He also admits when he's wrong. I don't agree with him all the time, I even met him after the Morales Pacquiao I fight, and told him, to his face, that
"I don't agree with you all the time." haha

Check this out:
You ask if “there is a dispute that Judah has the physical ability to give Mayweather a better fight than Bruseles, N'Dou, Gatti or Mitchell gave him?”

No, there isn’t; but isn’t that an indictment on the quality of PBF’s opposition over the past three years?

Another brilliant move by the Dougster. Just give the man his PhD!
And here's another quote on his opposition:
Beyond Hatton (who isn’t ready to fight PBF this year) and Margarito (who was born ready), don’t you think that Joel Casamayor, Julio Diaz, Acelino Freitas, Junior Witter, Vivian Harris, Juan Lazcano, and even Lovemore Ndou ALSO have the physical ability (as well as the experience and skills) to give PBF a better fight than Bruseles, Ndou, Gatti or Mitchell?

And finally, the killer quote:
Real fans want to see good fights – period.

Ooohhhhh!

Agree with wanting to see good fights. Did I like seeing Floyd fight Mitchell or even Gatti? Hell no, and I don't even want to mention the other guys name. Pac stay at three for one simple fact, regardless of comp, Floyd has no losses. Pac has a draw and a loss, granted they were against top guys, in his last few fights." What have you done for me lately ",always plays a key role in the p4p rankings. So does career though. If it didn't, why is Barrera still so high? I'm more upset about Floyd's opponents than anyone, but besides Wright and Pac, noone else has done anything to move ahead of Floyd. Zab is a more credible opponent than Soliman or Larious. It may not be the fight we all want to see, but I'll take it.{its alot better than the last few}. Then I'll accept Oscar or Margarito. Then hopefully the other one. How about you? Will that change your mind? Let me rephrase the Gatti fight. He was on a hot streak, and any fighter{Margarito,Hatton,Tszyu,Cotto} would take a fight against him. So it's unfair to just judge one guy for that. Even if Floyd beats Zab, he still doesn't go to #1. If Wright beats Taylor, he's 1 for sure. If he loses close, he doesn't drop that far{Taylor just goes up}. If Pac beats Larious then either Barrera or Morrales, he's at least 2, and if Wright loses, he's probably #1.

[gyrokai]

Agree with wanting to see good fights. Did I like seeing Floyd fight Mitchell or even Gatti? Hell no, and I don't even want to mention the other guys name.

I like that, coming from a Mayweather fan. Especially from a Mayweather fan. It’s something they should be saying, because they of all people should realize the potential for Mayweather to make awesome matchups.

Pac stay at three for one simple fact, regardless of comp, Floyd has no losses. Pac has a draw and a loss, granted they were against top guys, in his last few fights." What have you done for me lately ",always plays a key role in the p4p rankings. So does career though. If it didn't, why is Barrera still so high?

Although I disagree with you on that, I can see your reasoning. I'm not too harsh on a loss, if that loss comes from a Hall of Famer, Erik Morales, in a close and classic battle. Morales... *sighs in past memories of my favorite fighter. At the time I bought my first of three tickets to see him in Vegas, I felt like I was the only one who loved "El Terrible!" His style is unwritable. I knew he'd beat Pacqiuao. Morales is the real deal and history will remember him, the only Mexican Assasin who gave Pac three chances to chop his head off. Many criticize Morales for his "go to war" style, his speed has always been underrated, I always new this, but it was his "war" style that took him to the top and brought him down to the canvas. But he went down swinging and no one can take that away from him. And Juan Manuel Marquez was lucky the judges scored that many rounds in his favor. Some of those rounds went to Pac. People only remember the courage of Marquez after the first, but I remember the effective aggression of Pac AFTER the first round, enough to win a decision. I'm glad I'm not the only one who see's this, Mike Katz, respected writer has made me feel sane, when all I hear is this draw bullshit. Also, Marquez never gave Pac the chance to erase that draw in a rematch.

I'm more upset about Floyd's opponents than anyone, but besides Wright and Pac, noone else has done anything to move ahead of Floyd. Zab is a more credible opponent than Soliman or Larious. It may not be the fight we all want to see, but I'll take it.{its alot better than the last few}.

Well Pac is due his "tune-up" fight, after his crazy challenges he's been making left and right. If Mayweather had one good challenge at least once a year, many respectful people couldn't complain.
I believe many fighters in the sport are taking on real challenges, while Floyd can make his best business decisions. He can earn all his money, but he won't get me to say he's number one. Mayweather, who openly challenges Sugar Ray Leonard in greatness, then has a three year vacation while Leonard, at the same age, fought all his memorable fights already, aside from Hagler.

Then I'll accept Oscar or Margarito. Then hopefully the other one. How about you? Will that change your mind?

If Mayweather fights Hatton or Margarito, then that is only good for boxing. Yes Oscar de la Hoya is long in the tooth already, but that fight will be huge, even if Oscar can’t take it to another level any more. We'll see how Oscar can deal with Mayorga. I will never bet for Oscar anymore. I don't think Oscar is that good anymore, ok? haha Bring out Yory Boy Campas, just as he did three years ago, and I may just bet for Oscar. But who'll bet against me?

Let me rephrase the Gatti fight. He was on a hot streak, and any fighter{Margarito,Hatton,Tszyu,Cotto} would take a fight against him. So it's unfair to just judge one guy for that.

Well, Gatti’s Gatti and beating Dorin, Ward, Branco, old Leija is a hot streak for him. HBO was jumping for joy that Gatti beat Leija (37 year old? With ring age.). I think all those fighters you mentioned {Margarito,Hatton,Tszyu,Cotto} would have murdered Gatti, but with Cotto he has a punchers chance.

Even if Floyd beats Zab, he still doesn't go to #1. If Wright beats Taylor, he's 1 for sure. If he loses close, he doesn't drop that far{Taylor just goes up}. If Pac beats Larious then either Barrera or Morrales, he's at least 2, and if Wright loses, he's probably #1.

Poor Pac, heh. He’s gonna kill himself just to make number one, while Wright takes on unimpressive Taylor. I think Pac has high expectations coming from him, even higher than Floyd, but that’s my opinion. At least he'll get rich in the process.
for the discussion.

[BrooklyniteQueen]

I think he's only there because he is undefeated. Looking at his last list of opponents Barerra should be number 1 p4p. But PBF got it because of who he fought near the beginning of his career but nothing recent, why do you think Hopkins was always over him until he lost. PBF never moved up, he only moved up because the people above him lost, not because he earned it during their reign. He wouldn't be p4p number 1 if RJ and BH hadn't lost.

[gyrokai]

I think he's only there because he is undefeated. Looking at his last list of opponents Barerra should be number 1 p4p. But PBF got it because of who he fought near the beginning of his career but nothing recent, why do you think Hopkins was always over him until he lost. PBF never moved up, he only moved up because the people above him lost, not because he earned it during their reign. He wouldn't be p4p number 1 if RJ and BH hadn't lost.

Never liked Barrera's Fana ppv fights either. heh I just think that how Floyd is coasting on things he did three years ago is bad. Bad because it encourages every other fighter to do the same.

Well, maybe I'm a sadistic bastard! haha And just want every badass boxer to fight each and hurt each other a la Castillo Corrales.

[BrooklyniteQueen]

Thats what I am saying. Barerra may have had one Fana in there, but between those he had a Morales, Ayala and Peden and Hamed and then he fought Tapia and Morales so he rarely if ever has taken a break, he never went through a span where he fought people who couldn't carry his jock that he obviously beat. THe Ndou's Bruseles Gatti and Mitchell fights were good showcases to show how good Mayweather is, but none were the class to actually test him like Barerra's opponents have. Barerra hasn't taken a break and neither has Winky Wright, so Floyd as you say, coasting on stuff he did 3 or 4 years ago he doesn't deserve to be p4p number 1.

[Hairdoo]

No way has Floyd earned the number 1 spot!! he simply hasn't fought the best in his respective divisions since 2002!! As far as I'm concerned Hatton has more claim than PBF, at least he beat the lineal champ and unified 2 belts!! before moving up.

Kostya destroyed Sharmba in 3 rounds!! I'm sure Hatton would too. Floyd didn't.

[gyrokai]

Thats what I am saying. Barerra may have had one Fana in there, but between those he had a Morales, Ayala and Peden and Hamed and then he fought Tapia and Morales so he rarely if ever has taken a break, he never went through a span where he fought people who couldn't carry his jock that he obviously beat. THe Ndou's Bruseles Gatti and Mitchell fights were good showcases to show how good Mayweather is, but none were the class to actually test him like Barerra's opponents have. Barerra hasn't taken a break and neither has Winky Wright, so Floyd as you say, coasting on stuff he did 3 or 4 years ago he doesn't deserve to be p4p number 1.

When it comes to Barrera, I'm a biased b*stard when it comes to him I'll admit. I'm an Erik Morales fan. I like Floyd Mayweather over Barrera, ha. I used to say, Erik has never been schooled as Barrera has been, until Morales met with Raheem "The Dream."

Barrera Pacquiao II would be awesome. Too bad Morales wants a third fight.

[BrooklyniteQueen]

Morales is a fighter, not a business man. But he should outbox Manny if he doesn't stand and slug.

[Hairdoo]

Thats what I am saying. Barerra may have had one Fana in there, but between those he had a Morales, Ayala and Peden and Hamed and then he fought Tapia and Morales so he rarely if ever has taken a break, he never went through a span where he fought people who couldn't carry his jock that he obviously beat. THe Ndou's Bruseles Gatti and Mitchell fights were good showcases to show how good Mayweather is, but none were the class to actually test him like Barerra's opponents have. Barerra hasn't taken a break and neither has Winky Wright, so Floyd as you say, coasting on stuff he did 3 or 4 years ago he doesn't deserve to be p4p number 1.

When it comes to Barrera, I'm a biased b*stard when it comes to him I'll admit. I'm an Erik Morales fan. I like Floyd Mayweather over Barrera, ha. I used to say, Erik has never been schooled as Barrera has been, until Morales met with Raheem "The Dream."

Barrera Pacquiao II would be awesome. Too bad Morales wants a third fight.

No point in having Pac v Barrera 2. Pac cleaned his clock,why would the outcome be any different?

[gyrokai]

Morales is a fighter, not a business man. But he should outbox Manny if he doesn't stand and slug.

He should, but he won't, heh. Even if he does box, this "new" Pacquiao has improved.
cc, you deserve it, for replying and having anime pics.

[gyrokai]

Thats what I am saying. Barerra may have had one Fana in there, but between those he had a Morales, Ayala and Peden and Hamed and then he fought Tapia and Morales so he rarely if ever has taken a break, he never went through a span where he fought people who couldn't carry his jock that he obviously beat. THe Ndou's Bruseles Gatti and Mitchell fights were good showcases to show how good Mayweather is, but none were the class to actually test him like Barerra's opponents have. Barerra hasn't taken a break and neither has Winky Wright, so Floyd as you say, coasting on stuff he did 3 or 4 years ago he doesn't deserve to be p4p number 1.

When it comes to Barrera, I'm a biased b*stard when it comes to him I'll admit. I'm an Erik Morales fan. I like Floyd Mayweather over Barrera, ha. I used to say, Erik has never been schooled as Barrera has been, until Morales met with Raheem "The Dream."

Barrera Pacquiao II would be awesome. Too bad Morales wants a third fight.

No point in having Pac v Barrera 2. Pac cleaned his clock,why would the outcome be any different?

Well, yeah, but I think Barrera wasn't at his best. I finally realise that your mindset is very important. Yeah, I'm a retard. hah
A focused fighter is a better fighter, Pac even looked better in the Morales rematch, because he didn't have his promoter problems. And Barrera, at the time he fought Pac, had his "metal head" records exposed, which threatened his stay in the boxing world.

[El Gamo]

CC for everyone who posted here especially unknowndonor. I RARELY hear a big Floyd fan admit he should not be number 1. I don't agree with the notion that being unbeaten means P4P number 1 status! Jermain Taylor? Also, Enrique,that was brilliantly put, Fischer is totally bias free and based on logic alone!
I want Morales to wear 8 oz gloves when he fights Pac,if he can shake him on quite a few occasions with the pillows, he can hurt him more with 80z. He needs to block Pac's left more,box and trade selectively and GO TO THE BODY! That was the turning point in the 2nd fight,Pac just broke him! If Pac wins this,his tune up(by the way, I think Pac's tune up is more dangerous than any of Floyd's fight in the last 3 years!ie Larios), I don't think there can be an argument unless Winky beats JT! Pac will most likely fight MAB next year,another guy who is awesome but has not had a challenge for waaaay too long!

[El Gamo]

And before anyone starts saying anything, I am a huge fan of Floyd's talents but talent alone does not make you P4P number1,fans want to see you challenge your self ala Pacman,Winky etc. Floyd could probably beat most guys out there so that's what makes it even more dissappointing that he fights guys like Mitchell,Brusseles and tries to pass it off as a legitimate challenge. I think fans are starting to wake up, I visit quite a few sites and there is at least 1 thread about him not being P4P number 1!